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Farkles, Gear & Accessories => Lights and Lighting => Topic started by: Diesel on October 22, 2013, 09:12:13 PM
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In the next iteration of my lighting experience for long distance riding, I am trying out these 2,160 lumens LED Spotlights.
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131022_174330_zpsf85aa9c5.jpg)(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131022_174338_zpsf973b006.jpg)
They are much smaller than the HID cannons they are replacing.....
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131022_174338_zpsf973b006.jpg)(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131022_181229_zps07238aef.jpg)
Here are some comparison shots...
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131022_181632_zps351becfb.jpg)(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131022_181640_zps8c8d5662.jpg)
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131022_181701_zps2e5ea09d.jpg)(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131022_181710_zps4d5afcc8.jpg)
They are 6,000K colour, instant light, and draw a lot less load on the electrical system.
I'll to a report when they are fully installed and operational.
I have also removed my under-mirror 55w halogens which will not be replaced with anything.
Cheers, Diesel
UPDATE EDIT: INSTALLATION COMPLETE - PICS...
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131029_190608_zps068fedcb.jpg)
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131029_190628_zps1dc84262.jpg)
While I was at it, I also installed an alarm system I had sitting around for a while... - BOY! What a SCREAMER! |-i
I'll hear it from the next postcode!
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131029_195623_zpsc32e119c.jpg)
Cheers, Diesel
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Brand? Model? Source? Price?
Reason for two copies of photo #2?
All the usual boring questions... :popcorn
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/330701675072?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/330701675072?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
All the boring answers. :wink1
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I bought a pair of similar lights ages ago and had thought of fitting them to my ST. In the meantime I set them up as camp lights on the rear of my Land Cruiser and they are surprisingly bright and light up the area well. I think mine are only around 1800 lumens or so. I'm not sure how well mine would go lighting up 'long distance' but they would certainly show the road surface up quite well in front of the bike.
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Well worth a try at that price. I am also thinking of some led spots as it is not that often the HIDs can be used when there is traffic about, but they are great on deserted roads. I suppose a good test would be to only fit one and do a comparison out on the road between them.
It seems that LEDs that put out over 3000 lumens are much heavier and far more expensive.
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I have also removed my under-mirror 55w halogens which will not be replaced with anything.
Except maybe some fork-mounted daylight running lights DLRs (since the wiring and switches are already in place..... :think1
TJ - do you have any pics of your 1100 with the DLRs on?
Cheers, Diesel
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I'm keen to hear how you get on with them. One good set of LED spotties seems like an elegant answer to the need for extra lighting, without making the bike look too blinged up.
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Update: installation complete - Pics added to my first post.
Cheers, Diesel
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Very nice, they light up the garage, but how about the road??? :well
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Were the under mirrors on a bracket? If so what's happening with them? hint hint. :grin
Have you had the opportunity for a night ride yet?
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While I was at it, I also installed an alarm system I had sitting around for a while... - BOY! What a SCREAMER! |-i
I'll hear it from the next postcode!
Toldja so.
I don't dare set the thing in case it goes off. I certainly don't like the noise it makes when you set it, let alone when it goes off.
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(http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/TeeJay_019/th_DSCF3505.jpg) (http://s699.photobucket.com/user/TeeJay_019/media/DSCF3505.jpg.html)
I have also removed my under-mirror 55w halogens which will not be replaced with anything.
Except maybe some fork-mounted daylight running lights DLRs (since the wiring and switches are already in place..... :think1
TJ - do you have any pics of your 1100 with the DLRs on?
Cheers, Diesel
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Very nice, they light up the garage, but how about the road??? :well
No chance to ride at night yet - will try for this week.
Were the under mirrors on a bracket? If so what's happening with them? hint hint. :grin
No bracket - attached them directly to the mirror covers with no probs - ever.
AND... Thanks TJ.
I'll append a few pics to my other HID at night report with the LED review.
If you look carefully at the lenses in the top pics you can see that in front of the globe diode is the pencil beam shape, but all the light bouncing off the reflector hits the diffuser to give a flooding effect closer to the bike.
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can you tell me where you got the lights and a brand please i commute to work in all hours weather etc so need some good lights these do look nice
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can you tell me where you got the lights and a brand please i commute to work in all hours weather etc so need some good lights these do look nice
Hi Icor64,
have a look here.....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/330701675072?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/330701675072?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
You'll have to sort out some brackets if you are not mounting them directly to the mirror covers.
Cheers, Diesel
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thanks diesel i have the over mirror brackets for the 1100..
:thumbsup
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meant to ask if you had tried them at night yet
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Yes and they seem to do the job very adequately. I believe one could maintain a speed of 100-120km/h in total confidence of not outriding one's lights. (150-200m)
They also provide a good amount of 'flooding' directly in front of the bike to quite a wide angle.
Full report with pics to come (when I get the opportunity).
Hope this helps.
Cheers, Diesel
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very much thank you
as i said before i commute to work in all weather and all hours. lots of overgrown rats and grass hoppers. My handbrake is concerned of course but this should put her mind at ease and the price of these is great :runyay
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I think I'll keep my retina destroyers over your electronic candles thanks Diesel.
I have added some four cree LEDs and can say I'm not that impressed with them. Lots of complaints over the UHF about how bright they are from in front, but no penetration power to shine down the road.
Will be interesting to see how it goes though.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX3oQDYIZmM&src_vid=l0A6WZ_XP6U&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_641722 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX3oQDYIZmM&src_vid=l0A6WZ_XP6U&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_641722)
Here are the big boys
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I tried some of diesels candles on my old rodeo ute. They are reasonably good provide a fair amount of flooding. They need to be setup properly which takes time but I'm happy enough with them. Off to work at 430 so will get to see how they go
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I do like the look of those 25W LED Photon Canons, should be able to see roos with them.
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New lights for Hilda. Low beam are 10 watt led 10 deg spread plus standard lights.
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High beam with 10 watt lights and diesel's 27 watt 30 deg spread and 10 watt spot plus standard lights. My thanks to diesel for finding and recommending these lights.
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I have considered changing the main lights to hid. Is it worth it
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I had HIDs in my ST1100. definitely puts out more light, but the light is much more scattered. Basically it just chucks out more light on high and low. I had to lower the lights a fair bit to stop too much glare for others on low beam. Something like H4s 60/55w +50 or more put out a decent amount of light with better beam pattern.
ST13 seems a bit better as it has better reflectors than the ST1100.
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I have considered changing the main lights to hid. Is it worth it
Not if you want to keep your bike ADR compliant.
http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars/car_advice/car_fact_sheets/headlights (http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars/car_advice/car_fact_sheets/headlights)
Aftermarket halogen to HID conversions are available however their use on a road registered vehicle will generally result in contravention of the relevant ADRs. Typically these ‘conversions’ comprise ballasts, wiring and HID globes that plug straight into the existing lamp.
Halogen lamps and their globes must comply with ADRs 46 and 51, while HID lamps and their globes must comply with a different set of requirements within ADRs 77 and 78. Interchanging globe types (such as putting HID globes into a lamp designed for a halogen globe) prevents continued compliance of the lamp/globe assembly.
In addition, ADR 13 requires that all vehicles fitted with headlamps (including HID) producing over 2,000 lumens (a measure of light output) have a self-levelling system and headlight washers. These simple retro conversions don’t provide these features and are therefore likely to be excessively glary to other road users.
If the vehicle manufacturer offered optional HID lights for a particular model then retrofitting the complete system including lamps, globes and the features required by ADR 13 to that model should be acceptable. But ‘grafting’ a full system between models or makes would impose performance certification requirements in the new application and is unlikely to be viable.
HID headlight conversions are not permitted under Qld legislation. However, it is not clear if other Australian states view the issue in the same way. If you operate in another state you should check requirements in your area.
Note also that Queensland's Dept. Transport and Main Roads (DTMR) advises that there is currently no legislation concerning HID conversion of driving lights.
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Thank you. Appreciate the honesty.
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I have added some four cree LEDs and can say I'm not that impressed with them. Lots of complaints over the UHF about how bright they are from in front, but no penetration power to shine down the road.
I wonder if this brings us full circle to the argument about the K colour value of the lights.
I have Narva spotties that throw a "non-incandescent white" light down the road and I get a good quality reflection back off vegetation etc (too much off road signs). They also have a useful beam shape that I can accurately point just outside the beam of the Narva 60/55 Plus 120 headlight bulbs.
And they cost $99 for the pair.
I too get vehicles 3 kms away flashing their lights. I flip the spotties off and can still see plenty with the high beam until they get to around 500 metres away (well outside the legally required 200 metres).
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OK - got a couple of pics of the LEDs at night......
Low Beam only (1st pic) - high beam and LEDs (2nd pic)...
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/IMG_0127_zps5b4851f6.jpg) (http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/IMG_0126_zps21d4eab8.jpg)
I have to say that these LEDs don't have nearly the punch of the HID cannons I just removed - but their light weight and 'easy on amps' nature makes them a good addition. They are adequate, whereas the 55W HIDs were awesome.
Cheers, diesel
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For the price and weight the LEDs would do for many people. Hopefully those really good (and expensive) LEDs will come down in price.
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I just had a couple of the Jaycar LED spotties fitted and while I havent taken them out at the highway yet, they are quite good for the backroads.
I was suckered a little and get a family associate who owns an auto-electrics shop to do it and some minor other things.... $780 later, the spotlights etc are fitted.
I thought it was ridiculous and was clearly a 'learning on the job' bill. For example, he had to call me over to take the seat off. I should have bailed then.
Anyway, I wanted a good job done for the big trip coming up, but really, the best job is the one you do yourself.
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Are you going to keep the LEDs or go back to hid cannons.