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Farkles, Gear & Accessories => Comms and Audio => Topic started by: Wombat on February 02, 2014, 10:08:57 PM
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I need help :o During the weekends festivities my UHF would receive normally but transmission was very quiet. Signal strength is strong. I have a scala q3 headset and my thinking is the headset may be the problem. Has anybody had experience with these headsets.
I have or am looking into
1. New antenna
2. replaced cable with the new one supplied with antenna
3. reset gain on sena sr10 if i can
4. look at resetting q3 sensitivity or gain
5. lokk at adjusting 2way UN7700
Any input from riders to Dwellingup may be of benefit.
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Wombat,
The signal strength of your radio was good, no need to touch that or the antenna. Easy test, set up two bikes a K or so apart, test 1 used helmet. test 2 use hand mike plugged in. Im betting test 2 is fine.
SR10 does have some settings that can be changed, just plug in to your puter via a USB lead. Update the firmware while you are at it. Also, see if you can change the settings in the Scala, it may have a setting for mic gain
Dont try messing about with the radio, you could bugger it totaly.
I have been thinking about Rays problem as well, and I think he might be suffering from poor audio input as well, as I was able to talk to him over about 15 to 20Ks, but he had poor audio..
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my thinking exactly. Yorkie has altered gain on his sena as well. I will try at work and report back
:wht11
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:OldMan Dont forget IF yours is an 80 channel radio and the recievers is a 40 channel radio YOU WILL be about 1/2 - 1/3rd teh volume of a 40 channel radio to them.And they will be double teh volume to you of an 80 channel to you.
ALL to do with bandwicth allocation and modulation :'(
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Was I doing ok on the weekend I was on an old 40 gme 3320 ?
Dale has a point as we find this issue in our 4wd group the old and new
Turtle
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Yours was doing OK Turtle, but then again, I set my radio to wideband on the lower 40 and that removes some of that problem.
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turtle yours was markedly lower than Pezzz who had an 80 still audible though
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Might be time for an upgrade to an 80 Channel for me on the bike i think and as Yorkie said 80 Channel you can get away from the S&%T below 40 :thumb
Turtle
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yeah, ch 50 could be the go
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Was I doing ok on the weekend I was on an old 40 gme 3320 ?
Dale has a point as we find this issue in our 4wd group the old and new
Turtle
I found your volume to be very low. Not as low as Wombat's but still very difficult to make out all your words.
I do need a new helmet though as I get a lot of wind noise.
I have the Uniden 7700NB 80 channel running through Sena SR10 to Interphone F5 on helmet.
Wombat, you are welcome anytime to come up and test stuff here. Could probably do a test run out via Alfreds :EatCake
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ALFREDS Tuesday mmmmmm burgers
SPRINGSTEEN Wednesday Yah
DEAF Thursday What did you say again????
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OK report so far. :grin
New antenna on :thumb
New cable on :thumb
reset sena sr10 to high gain after much talking to computer :cuss :CB-- :cuss :CB-- :cuss :CB--
reset gain on Scala q3 although i dont think necessary :-(((
No touchy on radio.
Put back together tonight
Tuesday dentist invited me to his couch :phone so no talking or eating at Alfreds :Cake2
May send you pm Turtle as we may be able to talk from home otherwise Wednesday maybe for trialling
Thanks for everybodies help :clap
Next stop is STrays place 8)
:wht11
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Audio quality picks up if you have ear buds/ moulded plugs, as sound is directly into ear canal and not competing with wind and ear plugs
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ALFREDS Tuesday mmmmmm burgers
SPRINGSTEEN Wednesday Yah
DEAF Thursday What did you say again????
Father in law's birthday on Tuesday this week .... so no go on Tuesday ... :-(
Audio quality picks up if you have ear buds/ moulded plugs, as sound is directly into ear canal and not competing with wind and ear plugs
Yep but it kinda makes the whole wireless helmet thingo hard.... Will just have to get new helmet as this is 7 years old now anyway and foam / lining looking a bit sad.
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Not hard at all Pezz, mine plug into the sena base that I am using. Everything is still wireless.
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Not hard at all Pezz, mine plug into the sena base that I am using. Everything is still wireless.
What is the Sena Base ???? You mean the helmet mounted appliance ??? I don't think the Interphones have an audio out.
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Have a look here, price is good and service is quick
http://www.mrmobile.net.au/sena-bluetooth/sena-smh10-bluetooth-motorcycle-intercom/sena-smh10-3-5mm-audio-jack-microphone-clamp-unit (http://www.mrmobile.net.au/sena-bluetooth/sena-smh10-bluetooth-motorcycle-intercom/sena-smh10-3-5mm-audio-jack-microphone-clamp-unit)
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Have a look here, price is good and service is quick
[url]http://www.mrmobile.net.au/sena-bluetooth/sena-smh10-bluetooth-motorcycle-intercom/sena-smh10-3-5mm-audio-jack-microphone-clamp-unit[/url] ([url]http://www.mrmobile.net.au/sena-bluetooth/sena-smh10-bluetooth-motorcycle-intercom/sena-smh10-3-5mm-audio-jack-microphone-clamp-unit[/url])
Yeah.. I don't think my Interphone F5 will mount or work on that too well .... :fp
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Change to Sena then
:grin :grin :grin
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Hey Wombat,
Here is a quick guide to how my Uniden 7700NB is cabled using a home-made cable with Sena SR10 plug to RJ45. All praises go to Yorkie :-++ :-++
Glad we found the problem.
I had to use a Cat3 phone cable as the cable that came with mine was not the standard Open Ended cable rather it was "what he had most of on the shelf" with the thought (wrong) that all wires would be in the cable.
Brock, good call on testing with original cabled handset. Using that, the radio had no hum and modulation was very good both in close and over distance.
Hope this helps others that may be looking into this.
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Thanks for that Pezzz. For all and sundry Pezzz and I isolated a problem with my UHF to the connecting cable. It gave out a hummmmmm and my voice was extremely quiet. A new cable is planned and we think that may be the answer.
To Pezzz and Yorkie a big thankyou :runyay
:wht11
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Thought I would chime in with the "fix" to the problems I was having. Every second time I started the bike the CB would turn on, But the on/off switch became a PTT, and every other time it would not turn on at all. I was also having issues with my music not muting etc. :cuss
:CB-- After a couple of E-Mails to/from Dale, I decided to give the u-beaut fuseblock I was using the flick, and rewire everything through some clip together inline fuses. Bingo, all was playing together correctly yesterday. I will be giving it all a good workout ( plus my new HID Headlight ) next weekend on the FarRide.
:think1 It seems to be that if you are using any comms gear with the Starcomm system, DO NOT use a pre made fuseblock at all. There seems to be an issue with the way they are earthed.
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Good one Ray,
If you still have the fuse block, I would like to examine it to see if I can find the fault.
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It wont be a "fault" as such.
They tend to raise their "earth" up to 1.5 V above bike ground :||||. I can only assume via a diode or two in series or a sensing resistor.
This then gives an earth potential difference between devices and bike :well.
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It will be interesting to look at Dale, to find the cause of that. May be I can find a fix that will be of benefit to others. That depends on Ray having kept the fuse block but.
Rays description of the fault has me puzzled a bit, but electronics can do strange things sometimes.
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Quote from: Brock on February 09, 2014, 03:42:24 PM (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=6235.msg70818#msg70818)
It will be interesting to look at Dale, to find the cause of that. May be I can find a fix that will be of benefit to others. That depends on Ray having kept the fuse block but.
Rays description of the fault has me puzzled a bit, but electronics can do strange things sometimes.
Yep, still have the fuseblock. Dunno why I didn't just hurl it over the fence!! ( age must be mellowing me! ) I think it is the same one you had from Eastern Beaver ( made in China ).
Gotta agree about electronics giving strange faults at times, I used to see some strange things in my former life as an electrician.
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I dont have a fuseblock Ray, I ordered the fuses that I could wire up as needed. I have the crimping tools so why not. Bring it along to the next meet, and I will take it away for some testing....
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Ok this is the most frustrating thing I have come across in a long while. After all the dicking around I have traced the voice level connection problems to my Cardo Q3 headsets. Many thanks must go to all involved for their patience especially Pezzz, Yorkie and Turtle. On Friday night after redoing my Sena sr10 to UHF cable it still gave problems with transmission level. Pezzz kindly pulled his STead apart and changed radios. No difference. We changed SR10's, no change. We paired Pezzz's Interfone headset to SR10 and perfect. I went home and checked second unit on Pit Crews helmet so I was using complete independant headset mounting microphone and speakers. Cant hear a thing. Emailed Cardo in America and they say cant help because it is not an issue with intercomm which I might add works fine. Has anyone had issues with Cardo units. I will be contacting agent here tomorrow to voice my concerns. I have also posted on STOCsite. Overall I am not looking forward to changing to Sena units and getting rid of Cardo 6 month old units and the expense also not being able to rebuke all those unflattering comments about my riding techniques.
End of rant
:OldMan
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So by re-doing your SR10 to UHF lead do you mean extend the lead length or are you referring to the plug ends ?? Just extended mine by 1.5 mtrs and it was :|||| but done now.
I feel your pain with the potential change on the horizon.....just pulled Bikercom out to put Sena in.
Cheers
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I guess it could be Cardo/sena compatibility, which means that there would be no fix in the near future as its not either manufacturers problem :||||
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So by re-doing your SR10 to UHF lead do you mean extend the lead length or are you referring to the plug ends ?? Just extended mine by 1.5 mtrs and it was :|||| but done now.
I feel your pain with the potential change on the horizon.....just pulled Bikercom out to put Sena in.
Cheers
The connecting cable between units. about 250mm long.
They all advertise compatability its about time they did something about this.
end of second rant :OldMan
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www.mckayheadsets.com (http://www.mckayheadsets.com) in Sydney can do up custom leads. STroppy organise some leads a few metres long that connect a undien handheld and GME bike powered UHF radios to the SR10. They do the customs leads for Sena so look very professional (especially comapred to my home made GME to Autocom leads!).
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The lead is actually fine. It is the communication between the cardo and the sena.
Sent from my GT-I9507 using Tapatalk
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The answer seams clear.......just not financially palatable :||||
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Worst case scenario for Ballarat, i can lend you an interphone F5.
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Worst case scenario for Ballarat, i can lend you an interphone F5.
Thanks for that and my handle on the American site is Surveywa
I have contacted the supplier here and they dont want to know. I have sent a second email to America head office so we will see what happens. They say they are a leader in technology so they need to put up or shut up. My alternatives is to have a single sena unit and swap when 2up riding (not likely) or spend another 400.
End of third rant
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I can lend you a sena unit for the trip over to Ballarat, and a mobile charge lead. You would just need to get the mount to suit your need, unless the standard mount with speakers would do the trick
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Thanks brock
Will let everyone know my movements for Ballarat
:wht11
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my handle on the American site is Surveywa
Yeh.. i was just stirring the pot with that one.... :Stirpot :Stirpot :Stirpot
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[url=http://www.mckayheadsets.com]www.mckayheadsets.com[/url] ([url]http://www.mckayheadsets.com[/url]) in Sydney can do up custom leads. STroppy organise some leads a few metres long that connect a undien handheld and GME bike powered UHF radios to the SR10. They do the customs leads for Sena so look very professional (especially comapred to my home made GME to Autocom leads!).
For the uniden 7700 we are using a patch lead has to be added to the UHF from ext speaker out to pin 5 on mic, then the senna lead has to be terminated with RJ45 plug.
I posted this up earlier somewhere.