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Title: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: ST2UP on May 19, 2014, 02:34:03 PM: Coming 1st week of June 2014.........NEW SHOP ITEMS !!!

Standby for the unveiling WOW: WOW:

What could it be....... :think1
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Shiney on May 19, 2014, 04:32:53 PM: :think1 :think1 :think1

Is it a watch, or socks?
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sabie on May 19, 2014, 04:35:08 PM: OzSTOC BP Cuff
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Post by: Sicman on May 19, 2014, 04:57:05 PM: :think1 Pockey Straps :thumbsup :grin :grin :whistle :whistle
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Turtle on May 19, 2014, 05:06:07 PM: Ozstoc Aftershave A hint of Diesel in every bottle

Turtle
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Pezzz on May 19, 2014, 05:17:48 PM: Please don't tell me Diesel got his Mankini through to the shop .... :eek :fp
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sicman on May 19, 2014, 05:25:23 PM: :think1 OzSToc Butt Mitts - for those times when your sitting on oven hot plates - Eh Diesel :hatwave :grin :grin
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sicman on May 19, 2014, 05:29:34 PM: :think1 OzSToc furry animal seatbelt cover - For those times when your the pillion as your wife drives you to an RTE - Eh BB :hatwave :grin :grin :whistle :whistle
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sicman on May 19, 2014, 05:33:56 PM: :think1 OzSToc topbox security cable - For saving you from those times when that pesky handle didnt lock properly and your topbox is now bearing that scuffed up look - Eh Graham :hatwave :grin :grin :whistle :whistle
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Neale on May 19, 2014, 06:18:55 PM: OzSTOC Anti-vomit tablets for when Sicman posts inappropriate naked pics of himself on the forum.
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Biggles on May 19, 2014, 06:22:11 PM: OzSTOC Screensaver for Marcus and Shiney for those few minutes they're not online. :p
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: gibbo57 on May 19, 2014, 07:17:47 PM: Well whatever it is I will need it, you can never have too much of anything I say.
:wht11
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Pezzz on May 19, 2014, 07:29:40 PM: Quote from: ST2UP on May 19, 2014, 07:24:58 PM
Would you like a hint ??? :popcorn
If we see one, want one, and chuck a fit will we get one ????
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Biggles on May 19, 2014, 08:09:16 PM: Quote from: ST2UP on May 19, 2014, 07:24:58 PM
Would you like a hint ??? :popcorn

I detect a female tendency here to not be able to keep a secret for a dozen days. Wot thuh
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Pocket STocker on May 19, 2014, 08:21:02 PM: Quote from: Biggles on May 19, 2014, 08:09:16 PM
Quote from: ST2UP on May 19, 2014, 07:24:58 PM
Would you like a hint ??? :popcorn

I detect a female tendency here to not be able to keep a secret for a dozen days. Wot thuh

I certainly can keep a secret :p

But I will say this, I bet the shop will be overwhelmed with orders :whistle

Pockey :wink1
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Pezzz on May 20, 2014, 11:41:22 AM: Whatever it is ... i want it .... !!!!

(http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac9/pezzz74/shutupandtakemymoney_zps3f0ee775.jpeg) (http://s880.photobucket.com/user/pezzz74/media/shutupandtakemymoney_zps3f0ee775.jpeg.html)

Sorry Marcus, I had to steal it ......
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Marcus on May 20, 2014, 12:09:52 PM: Quote from: Pezzz on May 20, 2014, 11:41:22 AM
Whatever it is ... i want it .... !!!!
([url]http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac9/pezzz74/shutupandtakemymoney_zps3f0ee775.jpeg[/url])[/URL]
Sorry Marcus, I had to steal it ......

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/b994f4a3d260d53cb55e2a5c640f12b7/tumblr_n1bbedDFNZ1sexnlfo1_r4_400.gif)
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Streak on May 20, 2014, 02:16:43 PM: What Can i say but....

(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd499/ozstoc/Mr_Burns_evil_zpsbf56ba90.gif)
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: gaz on May 20, 2014, 03:18:18 PM: :fp
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Streak on June 03, 2014, 08:28:52 PM: (http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd499/ozstoc/2014-06-03_2024_zps638c3a13.png)
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: bikerpaul on June 03, 2014, 09:01:03 PM: I WANT ONE OR IT.... don't know what but I WANT ONE !!!
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Diesel on June 03, 2014, 10:04:25 PM: It could be a Diesel filter for all those cheeky b@st@rds out there! :nahnah
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Biggles on June 03, 2014, 10:24:49 PM: 1st week of June, they said. It's nearly over...
I reckon it was the case of red that we saw the remnants of in those photos! :spank
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: ST2UP on June 03, 2014, 11:10:17 PM: Tomorrow is a whole new day Biggles......and who knows what may happen here tomorrow :whistle

Oh hang on........I KNOW :nahnah

Just crossing the T's and doting the I's......before the WOW: WOW:

:butt
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Abe on June 04, 2014, 06:14:19 AM: Quote from: ST2UP on May 19, 2014, 02:34:03 PM
Coming 1st week of June 2014.........NEW SHOP ITEMS !!!
:think1 Coming 1st week of June 2014.........NEW SHOP TIMES !!! :think1
ST2UP may have spelt "items" instead of "times" :fp

Standby for the unveiling WOW: WOW:

What could it be....... :think1
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sabie on June 04, 2014, 11:07:04 AM: Give me a break Abe, you and Sicman already know.....
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: bikerpaul on June 04, 2014, 12:10:44 PM: C'MON !!!
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Streak on June 04, 2014, 12:47:52 PM: Quote from: Sabie on June 04, 2014, 11:07:04 AM
Give me a break Abe, you and Sicman already know.....

Actually no they don't....people involved sworn to death and secrecy....
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: StinkyPete on June 04, 2014, 12:59:54 PM: Quote from: Streak on June 04, 2014, 12:47:52 PM
Quote from: Sabie on June 04, 2014, 11:07:04 AM
Give me a break Abe, you and Sicman already know.....

Actually no they don't....people involved sworn to death and secrecy....

:popcorn
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sabie on June 04, 2014, 01:02:14 PM: I know how it works ... Officially No ... Secretly Yes ... But I understand the position. ;-*

Quote from: Streak on June 04, 2014, 12:47:52 PM
Quote from: Sabie on June 04, 2014, 11:07:04 AM
Give me a break Abe, you and Sicman already know.....

Actually no they don't....people involved sworn to death and secrecy....
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Streak on June 04, 2014, 01:41:41 PM: sighs :fp

Quote from: Sabie on June 04, 2014, 01:02:14 PM
I know how it works ... Officially No ... Secretly Yes ... But I understand the position. ;-*

Quote from: Streak on June 04, 2014, 12:47:52 PM
Quote from: Sabie on June 04, 2014, 11:07:04 AM
Give me a break Abe, you and Sicman already know.....

Actually no they don't....people involved sworn to death and secrecy....
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Brock on June 04, 2014, 01:49:45 PM: Quote
people involved sworn to death and secrecy....

Or worse... :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Turtle on June 04, 2014, 03:15:10 PM: We wait and we wonder :think1

Turtle
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Brock on June 04, 2014, 10:16:51 PM: Quote
Im bored now, dont want it any more. :Stirpot

Yes you do, and you know it

:well

And just for that, its early bed for you... :popcorn
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Wombat on June 05, 2014, 07:20:18 PM: Still waiting.................................. :CB--

:wht11
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Streak on June 05, 2014, 07:27:28 PM: Quote from: Wombat on June 05, 2014, 07:20:18 PM
Still waiting.................................. :CB--

:wht11

I suggest you click here...... http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=7098.0 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=7098.0)
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Marcus on June 05, 2014, 08:18:21 PM: Why is everything something.95 cents, why can't you just round it up
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Biggles on June 05, 2014, 08:25:06 PM: Quote from: Marcus on June 05, 2014, 08:18:21 PM
Why is everything something.95 cents, why can't you just round it up

Because Streak is a Marketing Guru and you're a techie.
We see thirty dollars rather than forty. Who could justify forty!!?? But thirty, good value!!
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sabie on June 05, 2014, 09:35:43 PM: Yes, it is a marketing ploy and it's utilising something your mind does. It's called primacy and recency. So you tend to focus on the first and last thing you see and do.

So as Biggles says you see $30 in your mind and .95 in your mind which you know is less than a dollar.

So this says to me that we aren't getting the product at cost, we're actually paying retail prices. So who is recieving the profit margin? Is it going back into club funds? If so no problem as the members benefit from this.

However if the profit margin is going to the members business and therefore their pocket, I don't agree with that. The club should not be used as a vehicle to market and sell your wares and therefore profit from the club members, this is rhorting and is a questionable business practice.

So if the member who is responsable for choosing the supplier is also the supplier there needs to be a transparent process in supplier selection in order for the membership to recieve value for their money and that everything is above board.

If the member is supplying the product at cost to the club and no profit being made I don't have a problem. However if the member is making a profit without members knowledge than due process needs to be followed, in other words an independent supplier selection process is followed, if the member who wants to supply to the club is appointed as the supplier then all well and good because due process has been followed and all is above board.

I clearly understand that we are an Ad Hoc club without elections of office bearers and official finances and that how we want it to remain, no problem. But let our financial dealings be above board and without favouritism and in the best interested of the club and it's members.

Now I realise I have raised a contentious issue and some will be offended even though that is not my intention. I just want a club that I have dedicated a lot of time to, believe in and enjoy (as I know a lot of you have also) to be operating with financial practises that are above reproach.

If they are then great .... No problems
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Biggles on June 05, 2014, 10:28:39 PM: Hoo boy. Keep me out of that! :-X
I sincerely believe Streak isn't in OzSTOC to make his fortune. Or even a profit, for that matter!!
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sabie on June 05, 2014, 11:04:26 PM: Nope Biggles that not what I'm saying, don't mix my words to interpret another meaning.

Don't do that.. :well
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: ST2UP on June 06, 2014, 12:28:53 AM: No doubt about it you do like to ask the hard hitting questions Sabie :wink1

I think there is some testing of the water going on here :whistle

And having had 3 PM's, a phone call and a email that was rather irate from concerned OzSTOC members I will just respond to your paragraph three.....

What makes anyone think that members deserve this new shirt at cost Price ? Do we expect all our other Preferred suppliers to sell their products to us at cost ?

Do you think members deserve this because of the Annual Club membership they pay to be a member of OzSTOC.....How much is that again ?? :||||

Now this profit margin you mention !!

So on the shirts that are now being offered to members cheaper than the last OzsTOC shirt because we went in search of a better product at a better price....with a quality garment price, a Aust Post component of $8.25 for 500g pre-paid satchel, a embroidering component of having not the easy job of a logo that is a standard stencil, but a machine reset every time by the operator to have your name & forum name embroidered on the other side of the shirt for you that leaves a grand total of $2.70 per shirt that goes into the OzSTOC club.

So what does your $2.70 per shirt get you.......well there is this forum that we have to pay a retail price to have for your entertainment every year, state OzSTOC Flags, and how about those Shirts at this years National Rally.....we paid a retail price after sponsorship of $16 dollars each.......but we sold them to members for $10 and you got a rally badge too......how was that finger food at the meet and great, you get my point :whistle

I took your post as mostly a constructive enquiry that deserves an answer as I respect your opinions and views ......BUT I to could see the glaring under tones and the way they could be perceived :well :well

May I draw all our attentions to this -----> http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=696.0 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=696.0)

:beer
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sabie on June 06, 2014, 02:07:09 AM: Ok, let's look at your last point first. You refer to the post that sets out the following points.

1. Play nice

2. Freedom of speech

3. Content keep it clean

4. Off topic and off colour area

Could you point out where I have breached any or all of these 4 principles and the associated documentation?

I don't deny any of our preferred suppliers in making a profit, but the difference is that our preferred suppliers don't get to choose themselves as the preferred supplier, that would constitute a conflict of interest would it not?

I'm sorry if people are upset, and I'm sure there are those calling for my head. However they and you have missed my point completely.

I'm not having a go at streak at all, I'm questioning the process, I'm questioning the transparency of the busness practice of self appointment.

Let me use an example of the cloth patches one of our members just created. The cost of a patch was worked out to recover costs, I don't believe the production of the patches was conceived as a money making venture. A member had an idea to create the patches and followed it through. Now the patches are to become a feature within OzSTOC. So the process now is "Club" Management have sourced a supplier who will produce future patches that are of quality for a reasonable price. The member isn't saying I'll produce the patches and make money off of them. The "Management" made the decision to find a supplier. Did "Management" say hey, this is an opportunity to make some money?? The answer is no, and that's the difference.

So, if a member wants to be a supplier to the "Club" that's all ok but they don't get to be the person who decides, it must be someone independant.

So on your other points, I did not mention anything about who deserves and who doesn't, don't cloud the issue, I never raised any point about fees and the food and the sponsorship at the rally. Stick to the issue, stick to the facts and stop bringing in other matters that have no bearing on what I'm talking about.

My query has no under tone, again a distraction from the issue which is about transparency on the conduct of this club and that we are seen to be doing everything above board.

Why was there so much secrecy regarding a new shirt? It should have been out in the open (just like the OzSTOC jacket) so that people could comment. The production of a new shirt plays on the feelings we have for the club and one feels compelled to purchase the new shirt (YES I KNOW WE DONT HAVE TO BUY THE NEW SHIRT) but it does place an unseen pressure to purchase the new shirt to keep up with the club.

So at the end of the day if you want my head I'll fall on my sword and quietly leave. I know I have breached a taboo subject. But it's a CLUB not a dictatorship and not a commercial enterprise.

My last point, I know the amount of work Streak has done for OzSTOC and although you will think I'm showing little appreachiation and a lot of disrespect I do appreachiated the amount of time and energy that has been put into OzSTOC by Streak and Diesel and am grateful for it, but OzSTOC has moved on from the early days of the kitchen table and to be taken seriously has to become professional, transparent and the undertakings of OzSTOC above board and beyond reproach. (THAT IS MY POINT)
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Streak on June 06, 2014, 06:27:06 AM: Ok seeing it feels like I am being called into question here.

We have moved on from the kitchen table, as for the shirts it is beyond reproach, we consulted around 20 OzStOC members around the country, for feedback, did you like it, opinions. You can ask all the crew at the Kingaroy RTE recently, I took a shirt there and discussed it with the people who didn't have to go early.

All the ride co-ordinations where shown the shirt, diesel and I were in on the process, in fact there where several shirts before this one was arrived at.

Why didn't we involve everyone? We actually wanted to make it a nice suprise for the club and help with hand over.

I make nothing doing this not a brass razoo, there is no bulk ordering, each shirt is done singly, it had to be ordered in, hooped twice on an Embriodery machine, packed up by a staff member and posted, the profit I make on each shirt is just enough to cover the staff wages to do the job.

Why is it done this way? We are a non for profit group, we don't have $10,000 in the bank to go and order 200 shirts, and then we would still have to personalize them.

We run a bank account yes, the leadership gets to see bank statements yes, I have a record of every product sold, I have a copy of every invoice of everything the club has purchased, everything that has been put into the OzStOC shop has been discussed with leadership. Brock, saaz, pocky, whizz, diesel will back this up.

How much money do I make out of this club? None, in the last 3 years I have put in around $4 to $5 thousand dollars to make sure the club goes ahead, and we could afford to do things, like rally's events, put products in the shop, and all the sponsors, they provided prizes for the events, up until this year only Esk bakery and myself where actually putting up cash for the rally, and from Esk bakery was $200, the rest was funded by myself.

I pride myself on everything that is done as has been cost effective, consulted, and in the best interest of the club, it has never been treated like a commercial enterprise at any point.

I have always said, and i have said it to you if anyone wants to come and go over the anything I have down I will put it on my kitchen table and you can go for it.

And going on from this, this is not a committee run democracy, it has always been about 95% a democracy! and 5% what diesel and streak say is what is going to happen, that decision making has now moved to Chris, Pocky and Saaz

We simply cannot consult the entire membership on every single decision that is made, nothing would ever get done.

There is no dictatorships, there is always consulting, you can ask around, there are lots of people including yourself that had been consulted on things from time to time, we share it around, there are many that will back that up. That way there was/is never a consideration of asking the same people and having bias, it is part of why I asked you to help with National Rally, you are able to give an opinion from afar like stinky Pete.

As for the "self appointment" yes in the beginning I had to, chris pocky and saaz have had the opportunity to go elsewhere they asked me to continue with the role, I said yes.

If anything I have done is considered beyond reproach, I shall stop, hand everything over and resign my membership immediately.
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: ST2UP on June 06, 2014, 07:20:28 AM: Morning Campers,

I have requested of the other Mods that we leave this topic open for members to have an opportunity to air their opinions and concerns.

Sabie at NO time did I express concern that YOU breached the principals that we all need to abide by......as you stated....."I have raised a contentious issue"

If you look at the bottom of my unedited post you will note I stated....."May I draw ALL our attention to this"
Being the rules of fair play for ALL to abide by ----> http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=696.0 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=696.0) please take this into account as you construct your replies. :-++

Cheers

Chris
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: StinkyPete on June 06, 2014, 07:45:53 AM: Congratulations to all involved on the new OzSTOC shirt. I must say that I found the old fabric to be hot to wear as it didn't breathe well, and I needed to sew my badge on, as it peeled. Assuming the new material breathes better, the shirt has evolved from what it was, into a better product, at a cheaper price. :thumbsup
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sicman on June 06, 2014, 09:06:05 AM: Sabie - I can see what it was you were trying to ask, :think1 but your delivery on paper was equivalent of a sledge hammer blow to the head and a full box of 50 caliber rounds straight thru the heart of the one supplier who has given more of his time and money to this club than any other person. :eek :fp

FFS Sabie - Before you post anything run your idea past Pauline or another member, and get her to proof read it first, so your post has no negativity and is forward looking :fp

My reply today was brought to you by points 1,2,3 of the fair play policy :wink1 :thumb :grin :grin
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Bikebear on June 06, 2014, 09:16:30 AM: I must say that I am quite happy with the way things have been happening, I don't get to attend the RTEs and other events due to the tyranny of distance but from what I can see on the forum everything seems to have been handled by the administration, past and present, in a professional way.
I can't imagine there would be any nefarious dealing in respect of the new shirt, or any club merch just because the supplier is a member.
Anyhow I like the look of the new shirt and if it breathes better then that is great, I look forward to receiving it in the mail (hopefully before the 18th).
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Barry and Marissa on June 06, 2014, 09:26:24 AM: Hi Sabie,

I do get the point your making about club suppliers, self selection and the potential for conflicts of interest to arise. The unfortunate aspect of drawing attention to that issue is that it inevitably points a finger at Streak and calls into question his integrity with regard to his dealings with the club as a supplier.

Personally speaking I have never seen this as an issue for a number of reasons. Firstly, the sheer amount of good will Streak has given our club, in my view erases any doubt anyone should have over his integrity over any commercial dealings he has with the club. Secondly, all of the products being supplied to the club appear to be very good value given the handling, packaging and postage costs. It would appear obvious from the prices that no ones making a killing off the club's merchandise?

(Though I remember Streak did entice me into paying $50 for an Ozstoc cup at the Inverell RTE last year) :think1

I agree with your right to raise the issue of suppliers and self selecting, as that could cause issues if the wrong kind of people were in a position to exploit that opportunity. But I think if you really look at what's going on in our club there is more than enough evidence to allay any concerns you may have of potential rourting, profitering or unquestionable business practices happening in the club now or in the past.
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: bikerpaul on June 06, 2014, 09:26:38 AM: Ya know what saddens me about the above debate ? No one has the balls to ask the really hard Qs so I'm going to ask it now..... is the Tshirt available in 6xl ??????
There, I've done it.... now let the rage commence !!!!!!!!
HEHE, sorry just trying the lighten the mood a little....... but is it ?

Paul.
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sabie on June 06, 2014, 10:52:27 AM: OK, my query has been answered fully, thank you Streak.

Firstly, and please read this carefully, I was not questioning Streaks integrity or honesty but the process.

I apologies to Streak unreservedly if it seemed I was was attacking his credibility and integrity, but I wasn't I only asked about the processes.

My apologies to the membership of OzSTOC for upsetting everyone.

I shall now return to the backbenches and hopefully into obscurity.

Sabie
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: STroppy on June 06, 2014, 10:54:26 AM: Have to agree with just about all Barry has said . . . But I think it was probably Bundy n Coke that persuaded the cheap antique OZSTOC mug purchase . . . It was # last after-all . . . A bargain . . .
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Streak on June 06, 2014, 10:54:48 AM: Quote from: Sabie on June 06, 2014, 10:52:27 AM
OK, my query has been answered fully, thank you Streak.

Firstly, and please read this carefully, I was not questioning Streaks integrity or honesty but the process.

I apologies to Streak unreservedly if it seemed I was was attacking his credibility and integrity, but I wasn't I only asked about the processes.

My apologies to the membership of OzSTOC for upsetting everyone.

I shall now return to the backbenches and hopefully into obscurity.

Sabie

Don't go into Obscurity mate, i actually count you on my friends list, so don't change your phone number as i will continue to it :thumbsup
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Biggles on June 06, 2014, 11:14:19 AM: Whew! That's hosed that one down. :o

Resuming normal programming... When do I get my new shirt!? I ordered it yesterday and the mailman has already been...

|-i

:rofl
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sabie on June 06, 2014, 12:15:17 PM: Quote from: Streak on June 06, 2014, 10:54:48 AM
Quote from: Sabie on June 06, 2014, 10:52:27 AM
OK, my query has been answered fully, thank you Streak.

Firstly, and please read this carefully, I was not questioning Streaks integrity or honesty but the process.

I apologies to Streak unreservedly if it seemed I was was attacking his credibility and integrity, but I wasn't I only asked about the processes.

My apologies to the membership of OzSTOC for upsetting everyone.

I shall now return to the backbenches and hopefully into obscurity.

Sabie

Don't go into Obscurity mate, i actually count you on my friends list, so don't change your phone number as i will continue to it :thumbsup

Thanks Streak, as I you, but I think I'll just be an observer from now on.

Cheers
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Wild Rose on June 06, 2014, 12:56:25 PM: A little late with all that has happened above but glad things has worked itself out :thumb
We are all here because we love our Honda ST1100 & ST1300 and love riding them

The new shirts look great, I hope the material is a bit better and the Velcro from your gloves doesn't stick to the shirt and pull threads
I am going to get Wild Rose plus Leo on it, as I only had Leo on it and always had to tell new members that I am Wild Rose on the Forum.
Looking forward to getting my new shirt :thumbsup As the Black will match my bike :grin
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: johnnyYTED on June 06, 2014, 01:07:13 PM: :dred11
G'day. I read and re-read Sabie's original posts, and my immediate response was to shake my head.
I have only been an OzSTOC member for little over a yearn and 8mths and in this time I have felt like I'm part of the bigger Family that is OzSTOC.
I have no problems with the process that has been carried out that has been concluded to a new shirt.
I personally have no problem with making sure the costs are covered to supply it, if a member, any member devotes the time and effort, and utilizes their own business and staff to source, supply and retro fit the OzSTOC embroidery patch and our names, then they should be compensated for the work done by their staff.
Its my opinion if an OzSTOC member is doing things that can either make Farkle additions easier, maintenance a breeze, or as the shirt does,help combine all that is OzSTOC to be inclusive and Identifiable, they should.nt be out of pocket. and if there was a little profit made so be it, they deserve to have their effort rewarded.
As a social group of like minded people my understanding is we get in do stuff to help each other and enjoy a cohesive group.
STreak you should be applauded for your efforts in getting OzSTOC to where it is, and I am happy to an amount over and above cost to compensate the efforts you and others involved have applied.I certainly dont see your effort as a profit making venture as being your motivation.
If my post here is missing some other point. I'll blame it on my meds... :fp
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Abe on June 06, 2014, 01:38:31 PM: Sabie, Sabie, Sabie :fp :fp :fp you raised this point previously and was educated on the OZSTOC process. So, why would you ask this point again, I look at your actions as "subversive".

Your words not only effect Streak, but Diesel as well, including their families. I have never had any reason to call Streak and Diesel's integrity, professionalism etc into question.

Streak you are a better man then me, to even reply to this "dribble".

And thank you Moderators for keeping this thread open for comments and being transparent.

Anyway....................

I have seen the new shirt on Pockey and the quality/air flow is better then the last shirt. Good work to all involved.
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Brock on June 06, 2014, 02:14:13 PM: Quote
is the Tshirt available in 6xl

:eek :eek :eek :eek

Man, I dont think there is that much material available..... Its supposed to be worn to outings, not used to camp in on overnighters... :popcorn :popcorn

On a serious note, I'm sure if the shirt is available in that size, and you want it then Streak will source one for you. He is realy good at finding this stuff.. Its just addresses and phone numbers he has trouble with.

Would you believe he rang me up once to get my number?? :grin :grin :grin :grin
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: STroppy on June 06, 2014, 02:15:27 PM: C'mon Sabie . . . An observer . . . Who you kidding . . . Be your normal self . . . If you're not around to stir everyone out of slumber now n then . . . I'll have to do it . . .

We all put our foot in it now n then . . . Stick around . . . You owe Streak a beer tho . . .
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: bikerpaul on June 06, 2014, 02:36:30 PM: Camp in.... CAMP IN, I'm nearly upset with such comments.... or not hehe.
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sabie on June 06, 2014, 02:46:14 PM: Quote from: STroppy on June 06, 2014, 02:15:27 PM
C'mon Sabie . . . An observer . . . Who you kidding . . . Be your normal self . . . If you're not around to stir everyone out of slumber now n then . . . I'll have to do it . . .

We all put our foot in it now n then . . . Stick around . . . You owe Streak a beer tho . . .

Yep, an observer, computer shortcuts have been deleted, OzSTOC Facebook removed and I came on to disable notifications.

I'll watch from the sidelines.

Everyone is coming back with how I'm attacking streak & diesel's integrity even though in my first post I didn't even name anyone as it was the process not the person I was questioning. But that's what people do, they like to think the worst of someone, and so it was brought down to a personal attack on the leader and founder and brought onto those sacred grounds, not by me but by everyone else who whacked that label on me. I tried to stop people from brining in other distractions such as rally food and T-shirts, fees any other items into the mix, and then I was reminded of the rules, I asked what rule did I break? And if I didn't why am I being reminded of the rules? All along I've questioned the process, process process. Even one of the last posts here is suggesting I have ulterior motives by being subversive. I don't know how many times I have to say it wasn't a personal attack, but that's not what people want to hear.

So decision made, problem solved.

See ya's remember I'll be watching........
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Brock on June 06, 2014, 02:46:37 PM: Quote
Camp in.... CAMP IN, I'm nearly upset with such comments.... or not hehe.

:grin :grin :grin :grin
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Biggles on June 06, 2014, 03:36:01 PM: Quote from: Sabie on June 06, 2014, 02:46:14 PM
it was the process not the person I was questioning.

FWIW, processes are operated by people, and when there are only a handful of people involved, the blame can't be shifted far. I suspect that's why so many posters mistakenly thought the criticism looked like an attack on the processors. Glad they were wrong.
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sicman on June 06, 2014, 03:52:02 PM: Get off your high horse and stop playing the victim card Sabie :p - The rules were trotted out for me :Whipped - I have stretched the boundary fences, tested the rules, had more posts deleted and been sent to the naughty corner more than anyone else in here :whistle :whistle :grin They were just worried about what I was gunna say :rofl Seriously man just relax and focus on the riding - The rest doesn't matter so much then :thumbs
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Marcus on June 06, 2014, 04:56:02 PM: (http://dash.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/139960525268.gif)
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Gadget on June 06, 2014, 05:03:53 PM: I took a good look at the shirt in Kingaroy, WOW: and can't wait to have my own. :thumb

It looks good and Streak didn't even stink in it after two days. :eek I think I might be able to stink up the shirt in a Day, (I don't think Streak was trying hard enough) :grin

"Life's too short to be miserable" :hatwave :runyay

:beer

And Marcus LOL!!
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Teela on June 06, 2014, 05:10:10 PM: Ok I don't normally roam these halls very often but this REALLLLLLLLYYYY PISSED ME OFF!
This has happened one too many times and been explained and justified one too many times!

Processes, diesel, graham, hand over. Regardless of what the subject is as far as I'm concerned how this group has been created and developed has made each and every one of you family.
Who gives a flying rats arse who does the shirts and how much they cost as long as it's done for the best possible price! RIGHT! Which I'm sure graham aka streak has done his level best to do with the advice of many now the group has grown amazingly. Not just two guys and their motorcycles any more.

Whether the shirts or anything else provided to the Ozstoc shop is in rounded denominations like $40 or $39.95 is irrelevant. If at any stage a member feels they can get the exact same quality, service and reliability cheaper bring it to the groups attention with who what why and how! Because I can tell you right now I would kill to have the attention back from my husband with all the time, effort, stress and tears he puts into this club! You guys are as I said family to him all he cares about is whether he can do it or not to benefit all of you!

Now like so many have said focus on the ride and if your going to vent obscurities expect it back. Enough is enough I don't want to have to see this crap again! Because I have seen a lot of team members up until 2 am ironing badges, planning RTE's, group rides, posts ect to help this group become what it has today and for in the future, designing web pages, fixing damn web pages with glitches and all sorts of problems. ALLL UNPAID! Let's remember that, we need each other!

Now hugs and kisses
:KissBlow
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: bikerpaul on June 06, 2014, 05:15:25 PM: ONYA Teela...............
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Abe on June 06, 2014, 05:21:07 PM: Sorry Teela, I just read this after typing my rebuttal.

Teela :rockon :rockon :rockon

Biggles can you please explain your comments further please, as I may have read your comments wrong ??

I just won't clarity, BUT we must remember, by keeping thread open, the "recidivist" is "watching".

Sabie, I'm more then happy to ride up there and discuss this matter with you in finer detail, I feel that you may have missed the finer points and direction of this forum.
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: ST2UP on June 06, 2014, 05:35:20 PM: So thank you all for your opinions and replies

After dicussion with Saaz and Pocket STocker we will LOCK this thread tonight, it wont be deleted, but it will be LOCKED soon.

Regards

Chris, Saaz & Pockey
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Skip on June 06, 2014, 06:01:04 PM: Quote from: Marcus on June 06, 2014, 04:56:02 PM
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Marcus, I can't wait to meet you. You crack me up. :thumb
See you in Toowoomba.
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Abe on June 06, 2014, 06:03:35 PM: Marcus, I love that :clap

Now get back to work.
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: sargent on June 06, 2014, 06:12:56 PM: Deeply saddens me to see this got to attacking others on a personal level. :'(
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Brock on June 06, 2014, 06:20:48 PM: Any one seen my big stick????

Teela, did you take it???

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Not quite, that would be Poopy Dave and Just Peter... maybe a smattering of Z900 Owner.

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Nope, Thats definitely Biggles, and he has had several smitings as well (I am beging to think he likes a smiting)
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Abe on June 06, 2014, 06:26:17 PM: Quote from: sargent on June 06, 2014, 06:12:56 PM
Deeply saddens me to see this got to attacking others on a personal level. :'(

I agree with you Sargent ++, but after 28+ years of public service, I tend to take unfounded comments personal, and respond accordingly.
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: johnnyYTED on June 06, 2014, 07:19:09 PM: :dred11
Teela :grin STand up , well said ++
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: gaz on June 06, 2014, 07:38:58 PM: Quote from: bikerpaul on June 06, 2014, 09:26:38 AM
Ya know what saddens me about the above debate ? No one has the balls to ask the really hard Qs so I'm going to ask it now..... is the Tshirt available in 6xl ??????
There, I've done it.... now let the rage commence !!!!!!!!
HEHE, sorry just trying the lighten the mood a little....... but is it ?

Paul.

:well but is it?
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Abe on June 06, 2014, 07:44:56 PM: Fair dinkum Gaz, when have you stop wearing a 3XL :think1 :think1
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Biggles on June 06, 2014, 07:50:53 PM: Quote from: Abe on June 06, 2014, 05:21:07 PM
Biggles can you please explain your comments further please, as I may have read your comments wrong ??

Simply this- Sabie claimed to just challenge the process by which decisions about suppliers, designs etc were made.

My contention is it's people who do the processing, and hence it's impossible not to be condemning the people by implication, in this case, Streak directly .
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: A2Z on June 06, 2014, 08:40:33 PM: While tempted to do so, I'm not going to have a go at Sabie as enough has been said on the matter already. He's been bashed around the ears enough on this matter and I can only hope he gets the message now.

I do however, wish to add my support to everything Streak, Diesel and the new crew have done so far. From initially forming this group, to coming up with our very own group riding jacket, as well as the new shirt. I don't think I could have personally done any of what they have achieved so far. So 'hats off' to all of you, and keep up the good work.

And please don't change the process of doing things. Because if you do, the next thing you know, we'll have secretaries and treasurers and financial reports etc etc etc. Before you know it, this group will slowly progress down the 'Ulysses' way. Not having a go at Ulysses, but just the fact that with Ulysses, you have sub branches with elected officials. We don't want that.

The way we do things in this group now, is what makes this group special. And don't think for one second, that the efforts of those running the show are not appreciated. We should not allow one dissenting voice to influence the direction or camaraderie of this group.

Nuff said. At ease, and carry on. :beer
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Sicman on June 06, 2014, 09:18:07 PM: Well said A2Z :clap :beer
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: ST2UP on June 06, 2014, 09:18:52 PM: Well thank you everyone who posted here for your contributions and sense of fair play in your responses to the issue raised... We will now close this thread and hopefully ALL learn from the experience and move on to what this club represents......the fantastic Honda ST motorcycle and sharing our passion with like minded people.

Regards

The OzSTOC Team
Title: Re: OzSTOC Shop News
Post by: Brock on June 06, 2014, 09:25:37 PM: Bugger, ST2UP beat me to the door, and has locked up.

So then, back to normal programming.