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No Parking Zone! => Off Topic, Off Colour, and non-motorcycle related => Topic started by: JuST Peter on July 10, 2014, 09:17:29 PM
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This is for true blue Toyota freaks!!!!! A must see.
Not a chance in hell I'd be following this guy.
Apologies for the URL
http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/Faark-you-Jack-Im-alright/ (http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/General-Discussion/Chat/Faark-you-Jack-Im-alright/)
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Left alone :wht11
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And a gold star for anyone who can explain why the Cruiser stayed nose down in the creek ??
:popcorn
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Because the engine weighed down the front and the flotation of the less-than-full fuel tank lifted the rear?
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Both those were a contributing factor......but not the real reason :think1
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The air in the vehicle was keeping the rear afloat, if he had of opened his rear doors (chocked open) and flooded the vehicle internally then he would have had rear wheel traction and would have crossed much sooner than he did! :grin
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Soooooo close Couch.....
The 80 series Lanccruiser has 2 fuel tanks......a 90 litre tank that is mid mounted and a 50 litre sub tank that is mounted under the rear of the wagon, right above the spare wheel that is also mounted under the rear of the wagon and full of air.......this combo has made serious crossings a burden for the 80/100/105 series Toyota.....in addition the bullet proof 1HZ Diesel in the Landcruiser standard wagon weighs nearly as much as me after one of mums Christmas lunches :eek
Most Landcruiser enthusiasts who use their vehicle as a serious tourer/toy duties ditch the wheel to a swing away wheel carrier on the rear and add a long range replacement tank of 170 ltrs. Helps with Off-Road ability as well due to the spare wheel in the manufactures location being the lowest part of the vehicle.
Oh.....forgot I was on a bike forum :nahnah
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Sorry to be a downer guys but what a f wit. Dead lucky to have got away with it.
I had the deeply disturbing experience of seeing a Nissan Patrol which got washed away in a creek crossing in the June 2007 floods in the Hunter. They pulled two bodies from it.
A friend of mine actually begged the guy not to go through the creek but he was a hero. Not.
Up until that point I regularly drove through flooded creeks to get home. But seeing how easily they lost their lives never again.
Interesting point. My boss lives in the same area as me and his son floated my bosses brand new Hilux off in a flooded creek. The car was a write off but the insurance wouldn't pay out because the car is deliberately driven into water.
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Regarding driving through unknown water depth, I agree. But it doesn't have to be a fatal mistake. The doors won't open due to water pressure, but the windows (so long as they're not electric, or were sensibly lowered before the crossing) will let you get out and take your chances with swimming.
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The only other thing in his favour is that the water was flowing very slowly, if at all, but enough to push him off track a bit. He was lucky his fronts just hit the bottom at the right time, but how many times did he change gear! Sounded like a manual to me, and that's not something I'd risk either. Then you've got all the stinking moisture to dry out for the next few months....
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In that particular instance the Patrol floated off in a relatively benign water got caught in a current and disappeared. Witnesses thought it had floated way downstream and authorities looked for it up to a kay away. It was found a day or so later about 50 m from where it disappeared stuck in a snag. the windows were gone and the people still in it. A husband and wife.
The problem is the fact modern vehicles even some thing as heavy as a cruiser or patrol are so well sealed that they trap air and float. It doesn't matter how tough your vehicle is or how big your balls are, once your vehicle is floating you are at the mercy of the river.
The bosses Hilux floated off on a causeway on his farm. The water was measured at just over a meter deep. It has got to make you wonder at the 800mm fording depth that Ford claim for the Ranger. Maybe it has crap sealing!
The Hilux floated arse first about twenty metres and got stuck in an overhanging tree which his son used to climb to safety. The Patrol was lost about a kay and a half down stream on the same creek.
Like I said I have done it many many times having lived in areas prone to flooding for the last 30 years.
My best effort was driving a VH Commordore some 200m across the flooded Audley weir with water coming over the bonnet to the windscreen which proves I am not immune to acts of gross stupidity.
I am just saying when you actually see how easy it is to lose your life it really makes you reconsider whether it is worth driving across a flooded creek to get home an hour earlier. It is even stupider to do it for sport.
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I put an 85 Subaru into a creek on a property I had one time. The bonnet was submerged and water was running through the car. I raced up got the tractor and hauled it out.
This is absolutely true. I opened the bonnet, pulled the dip stick. There didn't appear to be water in the oil. I took the air cleaner off. it was dry.
I got in the car tried to start it. It fired first go!!
I took the car up to the shed hosed all the mud out. Took out the entire interior back to a bare shell including the dash. and all the duct work behind it. washed it all in clean water and left it in the sun for over a week. The missus drove the car with an old commie seat a gear lever, steering wheel and nothing else for the two weeks it took to get it back together. We did another 150000 kays with out incident before we sold it.
Great car them Subarus.
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The only other thing in his favour is that the water was flowing very slowly, if at all, but enough to push him off track a bit. He was lucky his fronts just hit the bottom at the right time, but how many times did he change gear! Sounded like a manual to me, and that's not something I'd risk either. Then you've got all the stinking moisture to dry out for the next few months....
Yeah no auto option in the 80 series Std Wagon (provided massive no user mod)......love my Auto off road :like and the great option of vinyl floors......still not fun stuff, water is the most expensive for off-road damage :-[
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He was just lucky, not so much skilful. One thing that I have found is that even if the depth isn't too deep, if it is flowing, there is a certain point where the speed of the water will get under the 4wd and float it, and then you're at the mercy of the flow and where it takes you. Stupid - Yes, Lucky - Yes, did those following try it - I doubt it! Would I do it, no.
People in cars trying to cross water is dangerous enough, but they are less likely to try it than 4wders, who unfortunately, are over-represented in such mishaps and fatalities. Rule one is always to walk it, and if your jocks get wet, carefully consider your options and the potential of catastrophe. The other advantage of using your jocks as a Plimsol line is that the water around here tends to be very cold when these situations arise, and cold water tends render the contents of jocks much smaller than they are perceived to be when someone actually makes a crossing like this. Makes you less brave, or stupid, in hindsight, depending whether you make it across or feed the yabbies.....
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my old man was up in far NQ somewhere facing a creek crossing with a commodore towing a van. he wanted to walk it but was put off by the large sign warning of crocodiles.
While he was ruminating a bunch of tourist showed up on the other bank where the sign happened to be gone. If is safe to walk they motioned to the old man.
Yeah sure he replied.
Problem solved. He was a bugger.
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This guy was an idiot in the first degree!! I was a member of the Qld Toyota Landcruiser Club for 7 years and an off road instructor with them for 4 years, and during that time we carried out a number of excercises where we prepared vehicles for river crossings in deep water such as in the video, but to prepare a vehicle properly takes a couple of hours at the very least, and the only way it can be done is to sink the vehicle to be able to get traction on all 4 wheels. You need to chock open the doors , including the rear doors and literally sink the vehicle as you drive into the creek, and it should never be attempted in flowing water, you also need to have someone walk through first to see if there are any obstacles or holes in the intended path. I have seen a Landcruiser travel 100 metres with water flowing half way up the windscreen. We always stressed that it should only ever be attempted if it was in a life saving situation and there was no other alternative. This guy was lucky to get away with his life, let alone his vehicle!!
Chris.....Over a period of 18 years I owned 3 Landcruisers, one petrol, and 2 diesel, an 80 series, and a 100 series that I only sold 2 years ago, also a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee diesel that I had for 5 years, and I loved every one of them!! :grin
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..... large sign warning of crocodiles.
Start :hijacked
Reminds me of the time back in '75 (that's 1975, not 1875) when a group of us (Gazza, Wazza, Wozza, George and I) were riding a mixture of Kwaka, Yammie and Suzi road/trails from Cairns to Cooktown along the NQEB track (I knew it as the NQEB [North Queensland Electricty Board] then, dunno why its now the CREB [Cooktown Regional Electricity Board?]) via Daintree and Bloomfield Mission.
Anyway, in the process of fording the Daintree River we all experienced (due to our lack of experience and basic common sense) problems, water in fuel, wet ignition, chain coming off, etc. I was the first across and went back in the river to help others push / pull the other through. After all of the bikes and exhausted riders were on the north river bank resting, lying around, laughing, bragging and then repairing drying-out bikes we noticed a sign lying fac down in the long grass.
I turned the sign over "Beware of Crocodiles". We didn't see any, must not have been crocodile season.
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......... and then there's this f-wit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1KnaTZofwM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1KnaTZofwM)
I seem to remember a video, but this is all I could find with a man search.
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...a 90 litre tank that is mid mounted and a 50 litre sub tank that is mounted under the rear of the wagon, right above the spare wheel that is also mounted under the rear of the wagon and full of air.......this combo
So what you are saying that with the front tank empty and fuel in the tank under the seat an ST1300 would be able to do that crossing as well because the rear wheel would stay down and have traction? :thumb
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...a 90 litre tank that is mid mounted and a 50 litre sub tank that is mounted under the rear of the wagon, right above the spare wheel that is also mounted under the rear of the wagon and full of air.......this combo
So what you are saying that with the front tank empty and fuel in the tank under the seat an ST1300 would be able to do that crossing as well because the rear wheel would stay down and have traction? :thumb
There you go, Problem Solved. With the 1100 just fill the panniers with concrete bags, all to easy. :eek :grin :wht11
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There you go, Problem Solved. With the 1100 just fill the panniers with concrete bags, all to easy. :eek :grin
and you don't have to worry about the windows not coming down or removing the lining and all that other stuff.
Just might need a snorkel.
For you, not the bike. It's a Honda! :crackup
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And don't forget the crocodile repellent! :grin