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Farkles, Gear & Accessories => Farkles and Gear General Section => Topic started by: Pezzz on August 14, 2014, 12:32:26 AM
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I have been looking to add cruise control to my bike since an unfortunate conversation with someone on the side of the road near Southern Cross :law :law
Have had a look around and cannot justify $1000 for a unit and found this Rostra one on an American site.
What are your thoughts ???
Has anyone done this before ???
Who in WA wants to help ... ???? LOL ....
http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?125590-Rostra-Cruise-Control-for-ST1100/page3 (http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?125590-Rostra-Cruise-Control-for-ST1100/page3)
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Did you notice the disclaimer on their website
Motorcycle, ATV, Recreational and Foreign Vehicle Notes
We do not recommend using any Rostra cruise control systems on motorcycle, ATV, or other non-automotive applications as we do not validate the operation of these units on these vehicles. Due to safety concerns surrounding these installations, Rostra representatives are unable to provide technical support on these applications.
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Yes but quite a few are fitted and seem to have no problems.
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I have some fitting instructions with pictures, if you have not got it
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Here's a question...
Has anyone in Australia installed any other cruise control then the MCCruise?
If so, which one, how much and where from?
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Here's a question...
Has anyone in Australia installed any other cruise control then the MCCruise?
If so, which one, how much and where from?
I find it hard to believe that the prices for the MCCruise haven't come down in price over time as it's not really new technology.
I had an earlier electronic version (no magnets in drive shaft) of one of the ones in the link below installed on my previous AU Falcon when I first bought it for $500 fitted and it's still working as good today as it was ten years ago (the current owner works in our local supermarket). Unlike the factory fitted cruise in our territory the Autron one remembers the last set speed even when the ignition is turned off.
http://www.autron.com.au/pages/Auscruise/Vacuum.php (http://www.autron.com.au/pages/Auscruise/Vacuum.php)
I'm was tempted to get one of these and fit to my 1100 but I've had a throttle lock fitted for 8 years and haven't seen the purchase of a proper cruise control as a necessary purchase.
It's another option for anyone thinking of not getting the MCCruise.
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I've been looking at these and wondering:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201131982245?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201131982245?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
coupled with this (if the one in the kit isn't waterproof):
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201131203011?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201131203011?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)
I think these are the same as supplied by the US company "Murph's Kits" and get talked about a lot as a MC cruise control. Of course, there will always be the disclaimers and it isn't something to tackle unless you have a good understanding of how they work and work hard to avoid the pitfalls.....
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I have been looking to add cruise control to my bike since an unfortunate conversation with someone on the side of the road near Southern Cross :law :law
Have had a look around and cannot justify $1000 for a unit and found this Rostra one on an American site.
What are your thoughts ???
Has anyone done this before ???
Who in WA wants to help ... ???? LOL ....
[url]http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?125590-Rostra-Cruise-Control-for-ST1100/page3[/url] ([url]http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?125590-Rostra-Cruise-Control-for-ST1100/page3[/url])
The number of photo opportunities I have been thru, and gone past so many speed traps, I think both of my MCCruise controls have already paid for themselves ( on both my 1100 and 1300 ).
Totally justifies the price in my book.
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Hey STray, great to hear from you. I was speaking to Yorkie yesterday and he also raised the point that noone seems to have had major issues with the MC cruise and the small issues have been well addressed by a local support. Paying trial and error with lower priced items may actually cost me more in the long run. Therefore I am looking to save my pennies and get the MC Cruise unit. Thanks for everyone's input. As always it is invaluable.
I don't suppose you want to sell the one from the 1100 do you Ray???
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Pezzz, personally, I think it is a good decision, having had one on the 1100 and the 1300, I would not be without one. Like a number of devices some of us place on our bikes this one has a hidden advantage, it adds to the a number of other things that help manage fatigue. Anything that takes away stress on the mind and body, especially if you are involved in LDRiding, is always a plus in my mind.
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I have only ever had two issues with an McCruise. First was the solenoids got a buit gummed up, but this was easily cleaned (McCruise can provide instructions) Secon was a magnet from the rear wheel went missing (how I don't know as they are hard to remove) so inconsistent operation. McCruise helped me reset the dip switches to work with 3 magnets (something undocumented, and the settings vary according to the model of the computer). Worked better than ever. And my McCruise on the ST1100 was off Lionel's first ST1100, so had done plenty of distance (140,000kms or so before I got it, then I did 100,000kms or so)
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Here's a question...
Has anyone in Australia installed any other cruise control then the MCCruise?
If so, which one, how much and where from?
Bringellian - AKA Mike Woodward, AKA the Farkle Fitter- fitted one of the earlier non electronic vacuum type kits to his (at that time) ST1100 from Murph's Kits http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/ (http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/) for around the $200 mark. Unless I miss my guess, I think it's on Single's bike now. He'd be able to tell in greater detail how good it is (or isn't), but from what I remember Mike saying, it was exceptionally accurate and able to be increased or decreased in increments of +/- 2KPH on the fly, same as a car.
Marcus' post re. the disclaimer about it not being being recommended for bikes is true but he/they have no qualms about selling them for this purpose ;-* It's just to cover their arses, but at the same time, they promote one of their customers' instructions on how to fit to bikes in general
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The best things about a McCruise is that they are plug and play.
The instructions are easy to understand and the phone back up is second to none.
How long are you keeping your bike for would be a question I would ask yourself. More than a couple of years, pay the extra and get a great product.
McCruise has a huge following in the states.
:blu13
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Wife has put her foot down on spending on the bike. So looks like the Rostra will be the go.....
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My first wife did that. My second doesn't. :p
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Pezzz get a kaoko throttle lock, i think theyre great and work well with oxford grips.
:wht11
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Already have a throttle lock that works well. I want full cruise control to relieve wrist fatigue as well as wallet. I found on Border Run my wrist got sore even with throttle lock as I was adjusting throttle often with lock on for minute adjustments back and forward.
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Already have a throttle lock that works well. I want full cruise control to relieve wrist fatigue as well as wallet. I found on Border Run my wrist got sore even with throttle lock as I was adjusting throttle often with lock on for minute adjustments back and forward.
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I can't be bothered doing that with mine (unless there's someone close behind me). I just set and forget, the speed you lose going up a hill, you gain when going down and being aware of not exceeding state limit as well.
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That was the main reason why I changed to a cruise control. If you are riding with someone who has cruise you are forever adjusting the throttle lock.
Even more important on long weekend rides. In the west we get double demerits for speeding.
:blu13
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Just purchased this ....
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251580854171 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251580854171)
Compromise with the leader for war and finance .... :thumb
Now to find all the posts on fitting and different control boxes.... :think1 :think1
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Keeping an eye on this to see how you go.
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Me too ..... :fp
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I deduce the two magnets that are normally strapped around the driveshaft will be attached to the back wheel instead. That should provide the speed indication required for operation. If it didn't pulse fast enough, two more magnets could be applied.
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They recommend 4 magnets. Apparently you can get a size that fits inside the hex head of the bikes that hold the brake rotors on.
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The McCruise uses magnets inside the bolts that hold on the rear rotor. It can work with all six magnets in, or with 3 magnets if you adjust the sensitivity settings. 4 magnets would be a funny setting as they would not be evenly spaced, which is crucial. It is usually just a matter of selecting the right setting on the computer to get it to work. I have some spares if you need to size them up.
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Im watching and waiting for your report once your done Pezz on this install no way im getting a MC one $1000 thats fuel and tyre money :beer
Turtle
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This could be an information and giggle session sorry barby. :beer :popcorn Shed is still empty
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Im watching and waiting for your report once your done Pezz on this install no way im getting a MC one $1000 thats fuel and tyre money :beer
Turtle
You won't need the magnet kit as I think the unit can hook up to existing VSS on 1300.
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This could be an information and giggle session sorry barby. :beer :popcorn Shed is still empty
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:think1 :think1 :think1
Thinking maybe an overnighter RTE(&Work) to York ...... :whistle
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This could be an information and giggle session sorry barby. :beer :popcorn Shed is still empty
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:think1 :think1 :think1
Thinking maybe an overnighter RTE(&Work) to York ...... :whistle
Would that make it an RTMD ????
Ride To Maintenance Day ???
:think1 :think1 :think1
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Any excuse to go to Yorkies for a ride I'm happy I like his man cave and the view
Yorkie your invite please please :Blow
Turtle
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Any excuse to go to Yorkies for a ride I'm happy I like his man cave and the view
Yorkie your invite please please :Blow
Turtle
Ben, you and everyone else is welcome here.
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Thanks Yorkie
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Thanks Brian :) a cuppa and watching Pezz strip his bike that's a great day out memory's of Norseman with the sun going down :beer
Turtle
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You missed it again at Caiguna. It all came off there.
Ordered fan switch today from The Honda Shop. Original price was $129. OzSTOC discount made it $108.something. Ex Melbourne due Friday or Monday.
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The switch on my ST1100 played up once or twice a while ago, but then started to work consistently. I may need to get a switch just in case it needs it just when I need to use the bike.
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Mine has magnets located in the heads of the Allen cap head bolts on the rear rotor. The cruise control is made in Box Hill, Melbourne by a couple of guys working out of their back yard.... All works great, they helped me fix a couple of issues, and I had to replace the rear wheel sensor once, it was too close to the disc.... Works very well, and professionally made....
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Any chance I could get a pic of the magnets and maybe somewhere to order them from?
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I think Jaycar have the magnets, the neowhatsis ones.
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A place online does rare earth magnets, forget who. I have two spares so can take a picture and measure them up, or send one over so you can look around.. The earlier McCruise magnets stood out a little bit from the bolt head, later ones seen to be flush. Either way you need some other magnets to stack up and get them out, as they are stuck fast. How one of mine went missing I don't know.
I just measured my two spare magnets. 5.92mm diameter, 6.02mm height. With those dimensions the magnet will sit out a little from the bolt, whereas the latter ones seem more flush. In any case you have to adjust the air gap to suit.
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A place online does rare earth magnets, forget who. I have two spares so can take a picture and measure them up, or send one over so you can look around.. The earlier McCruise magnets stood out a little bit from the bolt head, later ones seen to be flush. Either way you need some other magnets to stack up and get them out, as they are stuck fast. How one of mine went missing I don't know.
I just measured my two spare magnets. 5.92mm diameter, 6.02mm height. With those dimensions the magnet will sit out a little from the bolt, whereas the latter ones seem more flush. In any case you have to adjust the air gap to suit.
Excellent Saaz ... thanks for that. I may well take those measurements to Jaycar Brock ...
I have been speaking with Reg_Siemens on the US site as he seems full bottle with the Rostra's and it makes me feel a lot more confident in the install....
Most comprehensive write up is at
http://my-mc-phoenix.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=7784&hilit=rostra (http://my-mc-phoenix.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=7784&hilit=rostra)
But it seems he missed a bit bringing it over from the old my-mc site which is the part relating to making a longer arm for to attach to the throttle.
I have messaged him to see if he still has the info somewhere....
Here's hoping.
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Reg is the one I remember fitting a Rostra cruise. From memory he used one that interfaced with the ignition rather than using the magnets, but the basics are the same.
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Reg is the one I remember fitting a Rostra cruise. From memory he used one that interfaced with the ignition rather than using the magnets, but the basics are the same.
He has done 3 now and the write up mentioned is for tacho with wheel magnets...
He also did some Audiovox ones using vaccuum.
I will pull from both as the tacho gives you over rev protection on the engine if you grab a handful of clutch while the magnets will give pulse.
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I'm looking forward to seeing your "How to guide" and review Pezzz :thumbsup
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Not sure if it will be up to your standards .... Turtle ... I nominate you camera man for the day.
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I will pull from both as the tacho gives you over rev protection on the engine if you grab a handful of clutch while the magnets will give pulse.
Being a manual you should have a clutch switch to cut the cruise off should that happen.
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I have 2 spare magnets supplied with my MC, response to alans, if the clutch is pulled in the engine still revs quite high until the servo unit can pull the throttle back, I tried it as an alternate way to disengage rather than applying brake lightly.
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I have 2 spare magnets supplied with my MC, response to alans, if the clutch is pulled in the engine still revs quite high until the servo unit can pull the throttle back, I tried it as an alternate way to disengage rather than applying brake lightly.
Yep- the MCC doesn't reference the tacho for the over-rev- just uses the clutch switch to cut the CC. As Yorkie says, it does get some revs up before the vacuum releases the throttle.
I usually just tap the front brake to release the CC because the brake light switch there seems to be more sensitive than the rear one.
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It has arrived !!!!!!
Now to open and see if all the bits are there and just how ugly the controller box is .....
:popcorn :popcorn
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Don't worry too much about how ugly the control box is. It looks to be a similar size to the vacuum cannister on the McCruise, so it will fit in the tail section out of sight, particularly if you put something on top of it - I have the main head unit of a split GME UHF radio on top.
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I was thinking more of the buttons you press ... That controller ...
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Pezzz left my place 15 mins ago after install of Rostra cruise control, I have taken pics and will do a write up. Now I know what to do it is pretty straight forward.
On a test ride yesterday it had some surging when initially set, will wait to see his report from his ride home.
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Made it home safe and sound. Had dinner at Alfred's on the way with Wombat. Tried cruise but surging was quite drastic at speed. Set at 100, would bolt up to about 104 then drop to about 80 than back up and down etc. I will play with dip switches tomorrow as it is currently getting wrong pulse info. On another note, put ride on in tyres and the trip back was very smooth .... like super smooth. Also fan switch is working now :-) .....
Will keep this updated ...
Yorkie, you are a true gentleman and I thank you very much for your help. Thanks also to my taxi driver Wombat. Next couple of FR lunches are on me.
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OK, so a quick update .... after 100km of testing running around the block on highway and main roads, I have the unit working satisfactorily. It appears at 60 or 70, the bike surges as it seems to over compensate the speed then drop back and do again. At 80 to 100, once speed is set, it seems to stick to it quite well. I did a small hill at 80 and it was fine. The wild surging i had early in the day was because pickup was too close to magnets. Thanks for the tip Wombat, after moving away it started behaving properly. I am also running just 4 magnets inside the brake disc bolt heads which gives me 2000 pulses per km which can be set on the dip switches. The 3000 pulse per km from the magnets was not an option to set. Yorkie had some pics that hopefully he will put up in here or new thread in ST1100 or Farkles section.
This would have been much harder without the help from Yorkie so I would like to thank him very much. I will probably keep tweaking and playing over the weekend and once i have the best i can get i will post final settings and mods.
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Awesome work guys, I look forward to seeing the updates and long term reviews :thumbs
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Great work, look forward to pics and write up of install. What was the total final cost of the bits n pieces required for the install?
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Adjusting the magnet gap is important to get the unit operating smoothly at the speeds you want to use the cruise. I found with the McCruise that half the number of magnets actually seems to work better, but the DIP switch settings are not documents and have to be obtained from the McCruise guys according to the computer you have.
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Hey Saaz,
The Rostra manual comes with a table on what dip switch does what but there was no setting for 3000 ppk. There is a signal multiplier you can buy from them so I could use all 6 magnets and set switch to 6000 ppk if i wanted to but this will do for now.
STroppy, the total cost of unit was around $380 delivered from EvilBay ... plus Yorkie bought me some little rare earth magnets and i don't know how much they were.
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Magnets are 6mm dia X 6mm length, cost $1.00 each.
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I have been looking to add cruise control to my bike since an unfortunate conversation with someone on the side of the road near Southern Cross :law :law
Have had a look around and cannot justify $1000 for a unit and found this Rostra one on an American site.
What are your thoughts ???
Has anyone done this before ???
Who in WA wants to help ... ???? LOL ....
[url]http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?125590-Rostra-Cruise-Control-for-ST1100/page3[/url] ([url]http://www.st-owners.com/forums/showthread.php?125590-Rostra-Cruise-Control-for-ST1100/page3[/url])
I just ordert one from Murph's kit. Total cost just under AU$ 500.00. Just was bad timing with or dollar going down but the alternative is a new bike (BMW S1000R) with all the bells and wistels or an un-wanted/un-needed speeding fine. Should be here within a week. Will post progress as it happens.
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Magnets are 6mm dia X 6mm length, cost $1.00 each.
I'll buy you a 6 buck glass of red on next ride .... :rofl
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Got the Rostra CC but the first problem is size. The thing is to big to fit in the tail and I am looking for other places suitable to install. One place would be using the pocket space on the left. Any advice would be nice. Stripped the bike naked and it is looking very sad.
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Mine is in the tail. I will try to attach photo i sent to another member from my phone.
(http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac9/pezzz74/20150125_183951Medium_zps48b62dd0.jpg) (http://s880.photobucket.com/user/pezzz74/media/20150125_183951Medium_zps48b62dd0.jpg.html)
(http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac9/pezzz74/20150125_183958Medium_zpsabed62c9.jpg) (http://s880.photobucket.com/user/pezzz74/media/20150125_183958Medium_zpsabed62c9.jpg.html)
I have full fuse box in the tail as well.
I keep my toolbag in RH Pie Warmer.
Hope that helps :)
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Got the Rostra CC but the first problem is size. The thing is to big to fit in the tail and I am looking for other places suitable to install. One place would be using the pocket space on the left. Any advice would be nice. Stripped the bike naked and it is looking very sad.
Somebody in the US claims to have it installed in the fairing near the headlight somewhere.
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The front looks like it might be possible, but the unit curious1 has is not as flat as the one in Pezz's picture, it is more like that but with a dome on top. Quite different to other ones I have seen. It would fit in the ST1100 tail, but the ST1300 is a different beast.
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Looks like it might be fun when replacing globes........
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Nope. Just pops out then can replace easily.
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Pezz
That's good news about the magnet gap that solved your surging problem it will make such a difference to the enjoyment of your ride.
On another note I think that I told you that I was fitting one of those units to the MX5, that has been done and it works superbly, I now feel quite confidant that I have now tamed the beast, especially as the turbo install has poked the available HP. up to an estimated 200 plus .
Cheers, Winston66
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That's great news Winston.