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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Old Steve on October 31, 2014, 10:26:08 AM
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Queensland Govt has announced it's introducing lane filtering laws which seem identical to those recently introduced in NSW - max speed 30 km/hr, no school zone filtering, etc.
They have also announced that helmets used in Queensland can be approved under any of the Aust/NZ, European, Japanese or USA standards. So, how does a Queensland rider get on when they travel south if their helmet doesn't have the Aust/NZ standard sticker on it but is approved under one of the overseas standards?
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Where did you find the announcement? Been waiting for something to come out ever since it was rsised earlier this year
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Found it
Qld tpt web page under road rules, upcoming changes to road tules for motorcycle riders
Early 2015 :hatwave
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heres the link to save you looking it up:
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/About-us/Motorcycle-road-rules.aspx (http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/About-us/Motorcycle-road-rules.aspx)
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I thought about lane filtering on Pennant Hills road between the M2 and the Newcastle Expressway start near Pearces' Corner.
No way. With all the trucks, buses, etc there was no room for a large bike with panniers.
I believe Sydney lanes to be generally narrower than most places. For example, it's no easy task towing a large van from Pearces' corner along the Pacific Highway to North Sydney.
In any case, I don't have a problem on a motorbike negotiating my way through Sydney traffic using "conventional" methods.
I can see it would be very useful on the motorway between Boondall and the bridges when that stretch of road turns into the morning and evening car park.
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I thought about lane filtering on Pennant Hills road between the M2 and the Newcastle Expressway start near Pearces' Corner.
No way. With all the trucks, buses, etc there was no room for a large bike with panniers.
I believe Sydney lanes to be generally narrower than most places. For example, it's no easy task towing a large van from Pearces' corner along the Pacific Highway to North Sydney.
In any case, I don't have a problem on a motorbike negotiating my way through Sydney traffic using "conventional" methods.
I can see it would be very useful on the motorway between Boondall and the bridges when that stretch of road turns into the morning and evening car park.
Noone's saying you HAVE to lane filter. You just can if the circumstances and your abilities coincide.
I can and choose not to quite a lot. Depends on the mood of the traffic (traffic is like a sleepy angry animal sometimes!), the lane size, the type of road, the nature of the intersection, and my own mood.
It's nice to know I am allowed to if I can. I mean, it never really stopped me before, but still... :)
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Only changes to helmet compliance is to allow compliance with the the European standard ECE 22.05 according to the TMR website. From all I have read this standard is very close to theAS/NZS Standard.
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I am with Lionel, It would be a rare that I would do it on the ST. I have noticed a couple things that disturbed me about it.
I happened to be stuck in Sydney slow moving traffic on Pennant Hills road towing a large horse float. The lanes are barely wide enough for the float and I had a couple of clowns on sports bikes filter past me at speed. It may well have been within the law but it was too fast for the situation.
It is nerve wracking enough trying to keep a gap in front of you so can give the horses a smooth ride without an idiot diving in front of you and to have to worry about some guy popping up beside you as you negotiate the lane makes it really difficult. You need eyes in the back of your head.
I'll bet truck drivers on narrow roads hate it.
On the other perspective I watched a dick move across close to the lane maker so he could hold up a bike that was filtering on the Sydney Newcastle freeway which was blocked with a crash.. It looked like he might have been in cahouts with the guy in the lane next to him because he was on the edge of his lane too and there appeared to be a dialog happening between them. The guy on the bike was pissed and there was fist waving and general agro all round.
Most of the guys I ride with have seen similar incidents so it is not uncommon. Maybe these incidents will reduce over time as drivers get used to and accept filtering but for now I don't want to be the trail blazer.
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I thought about lane filtering on Pennant Hills road between the M2 and the Newcastle Expressway start near Pearces' Corner.
No way. With all the trucks, buses, etc there was no room for a large bike with panniers.
I believe Sydney lanes to be generally narrower than most places. For example, it's no easy task towing a large van from Pearces' corner along the Pacific Highway to North Sydney.
In any case, I don't have a problem on a motorbike negotiating my way through Sydney traffic using "conventional" methods.
I can see it would be very useful on the motorway between Boondall and the bridges when that stretch of road turns into the morning and evening car park.
yep, from what others said about the way you handled the traffic in Sydney the other weekend I dont think you need to bother with lane splitting >:() :rofl
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On the SS1600k through Sydney on pennant Hills Road there were several really good opportunities for myself and a Harley rider to filter.
It was early morning Saturday traffic, so it was reasonably light.
I'm a fan of filtering despite the attentions of the :law ($91 no points less than 3km from home after the SS1600k)
Anyway as the website says it will be up to the rider to assess whether it is safe to filter or not.
My big plus out of this are the other concessions about foot pegs, not having to always remain seated facing forwards only (a shoulder check technically breaks the law) .
EU approved helmets are also a great move.
So now the countdown begins. :popcorn
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Finally we can ride down the breakdown lane legally. :thumb :thumb :thumb
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Finally we can ride down the breakdown lane legally. :thumb :thumb :thumb
I read through the proposed law changes and can't see where it says you can legally ride down the breakdown lane.
Got a link?
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I rode down to Sydney yesterday and demonstrated to the NSW Constabulary that it's not illegal to overtake using a turning lane. :crackup
There's a story there...
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JuST Peter,
Here is where it says it but not in those exact words. The sealed Road Shoulder is the Breakdown or Safety Lane,
Riding on road shoulders and kerbside
On major roads, such as motorways and freeways where the speed limit is 90km/hr or more, a motorcycle rider who holds an open licence will be allowed to ride through stationary or slow moving traffic at speeds not greater than 30km/hr on the road shoulder (the sealed area on the edge of a road). A motorcycle rider will be required to give way to a cyclist already on the road shoulder. Riding on a road shoulder will not be allowed on roads with lower speed limits where it may pose a greater road safety risk to pedestrians.
To ensure pedestrian safety, lane filtering will only be allowed between lanes of traffic and not between a vehicle and the kerb.
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Quote from: Biggles on 01 November 2014, 08:26:39 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=8152.msg93791#msg93791)I rode down to Sydney yesterday and demonstrated to the NSW Constabulary that it's not illegal to overtake using a turning lane. :crackup
There's a story there...
Do tell! :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn
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JuST Peter,
Here is where it says it but not in those exact words. The sealed Road Shoulder is the Breakdown or Safety Lane,
Riding on road shoulders and kerbside
On major roads, such as motorways and freeways where the speed limit is 90km/hr or more, a motorcycle rider who holds an open licence will be allowed to ride through stationary or slow moving traffic at speeds not greater than 30km/hr on the road shoulder (the sealed area on the edge of a road). A motorcycle rider will be required to give way to a cyclist already on the road shoulder. Riding on a road shoulder will not be allowed on roads with lower speed limits where it may pose a greater road safety risk to pedestrians.
To ensure pedestrian safety, lane filtering will only be allowed between lanes of traffic and not between a vehicle and the kerb.
Thanks Gary, I'd be surprised if the NSW :cop interpret these laws the same way though.
I wonder if Tony (Downunder) could give us a heads up here
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This is the one I'm unclear on.
" It will also be recommended that a motorcycle rider should not lane filter near heavy vehicles or buses, due to the safety risk as drivers of heavy vehicles and buses may have trouble seeing motorcycles."
Is it allowed or not, or is it up to the discretion on the rider? I filter past busses & trucks if and only if there is safe room to do so, but it seems that this is still a little grey area.
Any thoughts?
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Quote from: nate on 01 November 2014, 11:44:09 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=8152.msg93811#msg93811)
This is the one I'm unclear on.
" It will also be recommended that a motorcycle rider should not lane filter near heavy vehicles or buses, due to the safety risk as drivers of heavy vehicles and buses may have trouble seeing motorcycles."
Is it allowed or not, or is it up to the discretion on the rider? I filter past buses & trucks if and only if there is safe room to do so, but it seems that this is still a little grey area.
Any thoughts?
Recommended is not compulsory. I find Trucks and buses, being professional drivers, are far more aware of who and what are around them and often more courteous. Having a UHF CB on the bike helps as you can talk to them before hand too. :grin
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Regarding "the shoulder"- it means you can ride down the left on the highway if the traffic is stopped (or nearly stopped) but not between the kerb and the traffic because of pedestrian hazards.
I'll tell my other story when I get home and have a full keyboard.
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So the footpath is still a no, no?? ;-* ;-* ;-*
Interestingly enough the shoulder can mean either the right or left of the marked lanes....if it has one.
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I think I'll be printing off a copy of the law to carry with me because there will be quibbles about these technicalities and the Cops sometimes need extra help with the details (as per my story yet to come).
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Driver education is still a big one too. Those two drivers in cahoots on the NCastle Expressway are typical of how most Aussies see 'queue jumpers' And this is precisely what we may be seen as to the uneducated, who sometimes go out of their way to prove a point. Careful out there gangsters.
Cheers, Diesel
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Just reember that these laws are not yet in place.
"Please note that the current rules and penalties :law for riding a motorcycle in Queensland will remain in place until the changes commence in early 2015".
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Have any Members tried filtering under the new legislation yet?
Can you give us an idea of how it went?
:popcorn :popcorn :popcorn
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Nope,
But then I'm not in Qld o:) o:) o:) o:)
:popcorn :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn
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yep. No problems for me because I have plenty of room to go past and I dont look so they cant yell at me through the glass.
I have only had one dick head try and beat me off the lights but as soon as I heard him rev his engine I knew I needed to accelerate at a slightly faster then normal rate but no issue in the long run because he got pulled over by a :law .... lol.
:rofl :rofl
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Have any Members tried filtering under the new legislation yet?
Can you give us an idea of how it went?
:popcorn :popcorn :popcorn
Done it many times, since the new laws and have found it to be the same as doing it before the change ;-* only now there is a lot of other riders doing it. :grin
As you approach the traffic stopped at the lights:
- Look down between the traffic and judge if there is enough space to safely pass between the vehicles (If there isn't space stay in the lane)
- Look behind to see if any other motorcycles are riding up the center behind you (Only move out when a collision between riders isn't an issue or alternatively stay in the lane till he has passed)
If there is space and no other bikes:
- Put your indicator on and commence slowly riding up between the traffic.
- Stop behind the solid white stopping line (between the front 2 vehicles) *If there is an extra stopping area in front of the white line pull up in this area.
- When the lights change ride away.
If vehicles start moving before reaching the front of the traffic:
- Merge in between the two vehicles that you are passing making sure to use your indicators to indicate your intention
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*IF YOU DON'T FEEL CONFIDENT OF MAKING IT SAFELY BETWEEN THE TRAFFIC DON'T DO IT*
That's my experience with the new laws :thumbsup
Cheers
Shiney
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As per usual - awesome post Shiney! :rockon :rockon :-++
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As per usual - awesome post Shiney! :rockon :rockon :-++
Thanks mate :hatwave
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Well summarised, Shiney.
The funny thing has been, every time I approach traffic lights since 1st Feb, they change green! (I don't ride in traffic very much, unlike Shiney who commutes in it every day).
On two occasions when the lights were red, there wasn't room for fat Ruby. :well
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i think an ST is not my first choice for filtering. My NC or VTR are much more suitable. Somebody mentioned filtering with an HD. Either the gaps are extreme or he is a champion rider capable dodging the mirrors with his handlebars.
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Good advice Shiney. I've been practising for & years :whistle and have pretty much applied those methods.
What I've found on the Gateway motorway in the morning and afternoon Peak Hour Traffic Jam is that filtering has made it much easier.
I have been able to set the Cruise control on at 30 km (GPS speed) and just coast up the left, centre or right hand side where ever there has been room. The Left or right hand side is most often preferred because you only have to look at traffic on one side.
I have noticed a lot more bikes are doing it and far fewer bikes doing 70+ km/h down the left safety lane.
I still get the occasional knob who tries to stop me "jumping the queue" and cutting me off, but now with the legal option to go left right or centre then More often than not they fail.
Spoke to a colleague who has been doing similar to me and he said at least now he can just concentrate on looking at what the other vehicles are doing and not if there is :law waiting to ping him for it. So he feels safer and more assured.
Some lessons I have learnt this week:
- On Highways and Motorways, as you approach an "Off ramp", you had better be back in line with traffic because some people pull left to start their exit well before the start of the off ramp. You can't rely on their indicators working or being used!
- On Highways and Motorways, as you approach "On Ramps" you can often go down the left and find a gap to pass through in the traffic using the on ramp and then continue up the left, however have a plan to merge back into traffic in case that opportunity doesn't present.
- As Shiney said, always check there isn't another bike coming down the safety lane or centre you wish to move into. (Theoretically they should be already only doing 30 km/h, but may be travelling faster.)
- If you are using the Safety lane when you approach bridges, blend in before you get to the bridge because there is often not enough room between the traffic and the guard rails and concrete barriers. (Oddly enough there is often enough room up the middle) The south bound fly over on Deagon Deviation is an exception as it has a beautifully wide safety lane.
- In Road works (especially with Narrower Lanes) it is best to stick with the flow of traffic. Here you can often get enough forward separation of the traffic in left and right lanes to slalom between left and right and still make good progress.
- With the CB on the bike, a quick word to the Truck drivers and holes are often made wider. A wave and a thank you go a long way. Most Truck drivers are aware of the new regulations (As you would expect from Professional Drivers)
- Finally patience is a life saver. Never poke it into a hole you are not sure of. :p
Like Biggles, very few lights have been Red as I approach, but the few that have been Red, I have had easy access to the front line in order to Zip away. One of them I pulled up beside another bike who happened to be the first vehicle in the queue and we took off together.
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Great insight into the world of highway filtering Gadget, thanks for sharing mate :hatwave
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Fantastic again! :thumbsup
Thanks Gadget. :-++ :-++ :-++
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One of them I pulled up beside another bike who happened to be the first vehicle in the queue and we took off together.
It's good when there's a bike up front, as I have occasionally wiggled through to fill the space beside them.
With that in mind, if you're the rider at the front, sit on one side of the lane to leave space for another rider to join you.
Have your visor up ready for a quick "hail fellow, well met" chat.
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One of them I pulled up beside another bike who happened to be the first vehicle in the queue and we took off together.
It's good when there's a bike up front, as I have occasionally wiggled through to fill the space beside them.
With that in mind, if you're the rider at the front, sit on one side of the lane to leave space for another rider to join you.
Have your visor up ready for a quick "hail fellow, well met" chat.
:hatwave That too!
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all good experiences, thanks for sharing
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:clap so filtering in Qld has been drawn up far better than NSW, from what I read above.
Being able to use the left and right shoulders as well as the centre between cars is excellent.
NSW only allow filtering between the lanes of traffic and NOT the shoulders.. why dont we have uniformed roads rules across the country. :well
:think1 I found filtering rules have been adopted by more cage drivers but I think there needs to be education about where cars sit in lanes at traffic lights eg, left lane sit to left, right lane sit to the right to increase the gaps up the middle.. to allow bikes room.
I'd even like to see the :law :cop on their unmarked Police bikes to book a few people who close the gap to STop filtering,
I havent found it any different since it became Legal,, I did it then I'll do it now, :eek ++
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saw this post on social Media re filtering and it's acceptance by uneducated road users ...
"Whilst riding with my lovely lady on a brilliant morning, we decided to have breakf ast at Warners Bay. We lane filtered at the lights between the two lanes leading ind itsto the bay, as all traffic was stopped and was banked up for about 400 mtrs. About half way along the queue a guy with a landcruiser in the left lane (which had also stopped ) decided to edge his car forward and to the right in order to stop my progress. Luckily I was moving slowly and was able to stop in time. I quite loudly voiced my opinion of what he had done, and stated that he should be aware of the changes to NSW lane filtering laws. He told me to f off and called me a c___t. The guy in a BMW in the right lane moved his car to the right and gave me room to proceed, which I did without hesitation, much to the disgust of Toyota Dick. On passing I noticed four young children in the landy and my better half and I agreed this was a great example on how to show his own children what a dickhead their father actually was. Lucky the children were there as he probably would have lost his mirror that day in true Harley style. Has anyone else experienced this type of "road jealousy" from cagers?"
Cheers, Diesel
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I only "filter" when the motorway grinds to a halt. I have been aware of drivers deliberately moving to try to prevent my progress. I always give these people a very wide berth. I also have noticed there are drivers who will position themselves to allow me through. I always thank them.
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Haven't lane filtered yet, Norma Jean has been off the road having her mirror covers repainted. But I mentioned the new laws at work the other day, only 8 people here and two immediately said "\if they saw a motorbike coming down between the lanes of stopped traffic towards them they'd open their door on the "expletive deleted".
So I guess it's the usual eternal vigilance for the usual F***wits if you want to lane filter.
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People are weird.
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Haven't lane filtered yet, Norma Jean has been off the road having her mirror covers repainted. But I mentioned the new laws at work the other day, only 8 people here and two immediately said "\if they saw a motorbike coming down between the lanes of stopped traffic towards them they'd open their door on the "expletive deleted".
At which point it would be appropriate to drop the side stand and take a photo of their numberplate, preferably with the door still open.
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Quote from: Old Steve on 10-02-2015, 17:30:07 ([url]http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=8152.msg102331#msg102331[/url])<blockquote>Haven't lane filtered yet, Norma Jean has been off the road having her mirror covers repainted. But I mentioned the new laws at work the other day, only 8 people here and two immediately said "\if they saw a motorbike coming down between the lanes of stopped traffic towards them they'd open their door on the "expletive deleted".
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At which point it would be appropriate to drop the side stand and take a photo of their numberplate, preferably with the door still open.
Typical of Bogan minded Aussies who don't have the ounce of brain required to see that letting 2000-8000 motorists (bikers) evacuate the metropolitan roadways leaves that many less people on the road, and that many less problems to negotiate on one's journey home! :|||| :|||| :|||| :fp
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evacuate the metropolitan roadways leaves that many less people on the road
That should be fewer, not less.... :law
That just happens to be a pet peeve of mine, I hate it when news readers say it.... They should know better
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evacuate the metropolitan roadways leaves that many less people on the road
That should be fewer, not less.... :law
That just happens to be a pet peeve of mine, I hate it when news readers say it.... They should know better
A man after mine own heart! :-++
Less for QUANTITIES
Fewer for NUMBERS
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Oh crap,,,,
Thats the second time this year that Biggles has agreed with me, now I'm scared.
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I seem to detect some bolstering of post numbers here through means of rhetorical communiques! :-(((
Where as I am happy to have fewer in number, but exponentially more prophetic and meaningful posts! :nahnah
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Where as I am happy to have fewer in number, but exponentially more prophetic and meaningful posts! :nahnah
Where is the "finger down the throat" icon when I need it?
:p
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They have also announced that helmets used in Queensland can be approved under any of the Aust/NZ, European, Japanese or USA standards. So, how does a Queensland rider get on when they travel south if their helmet doesn't have the Aust/NZ standard sticker on it but is approved under one of the overseas standards?
I think this is about time - nation wide. So, what are the ramifications of buying an EU-only certified helmet in QLD and using it another state? Breaking the law there I expect.
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As per usual - awesome post Shiney! :rockon :rockon :-++
Thanks mate :hatwave
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They have also announced that helmets used in Queensland can be approved under any of the Aust/NZ, European, Japanese or USA standards. So, how does a Queensland rider get on when they travel south if their helmet doesn't have the Aust/NZ standard sticker on it but is approved under one of the overseas standards?
I think this is about time - nation wide. So, what are the ramifications of buying an EU-only certified helmet in QLD and using it another state? Breaking the law there I expect.
Correct :cry
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Yes Steve there is a warning on the DMR website that the helmet would not be legal interstate.
Mind you in all my years of riding I've never been asked to check the legality of my helmet. I think you would have to already in deep poop to have them check your helmet.
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Yesterday morning, while making my way to work, with cruise control on and set as close to 30 km/h as I could get and in the left hand safety lane as far to the left as practical to be safe, I was pulled over by 2 :cop on FJRS set up to target bikes only with a LIDAR each. Knowing my speedo reads under speed I thought I was safe. :|||
35km/h at 306.2 metres range cost me $341 and 3 points.
I may as well have been doing 90km/h. Penalty would have been the same.
Colleague at work said he was pulled over at 40 km/h and got a warning. :|||
Back to the middle for me, doing the slalom I think.
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35km/h at 306.2 metres range cost me $341 and 3 points.
Oh crap Gadget!
Why such a harsh penalty for 5km/h over... :think1
And how did you set your CC to 30km/h? - many won't operate/activate under 40. :think1
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left hand safety lane as far to the left as practical to be safe, I was pulled over by 2 :cop on FJRS set up to target bikes only with a LIDAR each. Knowing my speedo reads under speed I thought I was safe. :|||
35km/h at 306.2 metres range cost me $341 and 3 points.
I may as well have been doing 90km/h. Penalty would have been the same.
Back to the middle for me, doing the slalom I think.
Ludicrous. And I suppose they think that's improving safety! They probably came up with the "Every K over is a killer" slogan painted on the radar vans.
It's definitely a discriminatory penalty, as the penalty for less than 13 kph over the limit is $151 and 1 point!
Your's is the same penalty as for talking on your phone while driving!!!
All the more appalling because it was so targetted. How many phone users did they choose to ignore so they could nail a motorcyclist?
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To maintain under 30Ks and maintain stability while looking at the speedo is very difficult (and dangerous). Perhaps you can challenge on the severity of the fine and points.
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Here's the relevant section- it's an easy catch-all for the Police:
Driver of a motorcycle lane filtering improperly Queensland Road Rules—Section 151A(2) 3 $341
Driver of a motorcycle riding on road shoudler (sic) or emergency stopping lane improperly Queensland Road Rules—Section 151B(2) 3 $341
Failing to wear a helmet when driving a motorcycle Queensland Road Rules—Section 270(1)(a) 3 $341
So another m/clist rides down the road without a helmet on and that's regarded as bad as this particular interpretation of
"Driver of a motorcycle riding on road shoudler (sic) or emergency stopping lane improperly" :||||
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Diesel,
I set the cruise at 40 and the press the resume button until it drops back to about 32. When I got caught I was in the process of doing that.
Using GPS as a speedo, O checked my speedo. At 60 on the GPS my speedo indicates 66. At 80 it indicates 86 at 90 its is 97 at 100 its 107 and at 110 it is 117/118.
I think they have a new toy so they have to play with it.
Mind you, on the Pine Rivers bridge, a rider was going down the middle at about 50 to 60 wering shorys and runners, so they will have to Police it. I was just frustrated because I was trying to do the right thing and not wilfully speeding.
I thought for the first month they would give warnings.
Brock you are right, once I've set cruise control, I can concentrate on what the traffic are doing.
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Wow I didn't think they would be as harsh as booking people 5 kph over :eek :'( :'( :'(
But thanks for the warning, I will make extra sure to stay on or below the 30 kph :law
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Finally took Norma Jean in her new smooth tuned state for a ride Saturday morning. Went out of my way to go up and down Nebo Road in order to lane filter just because it's now legal. Queues were only half a dozen cars long, but with the ST I found I wanted to slow down well below 30 km/hr.
But to pop out at the front of the queue and pull away first is a great feeling.
Even better was the idiot in a loud Maloo ute at the front of the RH lane who revved up and wanted to drag me off. I got a good take off and left him well behind, had to stop at the front of the LH queue at the next lights and he came up beside me so I couldn't help lifting up my helmet front, looking over at him, pointing at him and laughing.
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Even better was the idiot in a loud Maloo ute at the front of the RH lane who revved up and wanted to drag me off. I got a good take off and left him well behind, had to stop at the front of the LH queue at the next lights and he came up beside me so I couldn't help lifting up my helmet front, looking over at him, pointing at him and laughing.
Will you never grow up? :grin
As noted by Diesel, too many people are being silly with the new freedom. They're the enemy of all of us who want the laws to work. They will annoy the cage-dwellers and there will be a severe backlash. Then the gummint will point to the latest m/c death (a double last weekend when a 75 yo driver pulled out of a driveway in front of a m/c with pillion) and ban filtering.
Missus Biggles says she sees a lot of aggressive filtering on her 10 minute commute every day.
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You know for sure she sees lane filtering and not lane splitting? The QLD regulations draws a a distinction between them and points out that lane splitting is still illegal. It is hard to be aggressive at a speed below 30 km/hr.
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You know for sure she sees lane filtering and not lane splitting? The QLD regulations draws a a distinction between them and points out that lane splitting is still illegal. It is hard to be aggressive at a speed below 30 km/hr.
You're quite possibly right.
The problem is, I suggest, the splitters are using the new law to justify their technique. Maybe some are in ignorance of the details of the law and thought it just gave motorclists an open go. Hopefully they can be reined in before very long. We've only had the law a month. It would be a pity if it was dumped at the end of the trial period because of this kind of abuse.
Interestingly, the offences cited about are mighty wide in their interpretation. The lawyers didn't make any attempt to refine the offences- just "doing it wrong"! Unlike the minutiae surrounding P plate offences etc.
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trial period???
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trial period???
You might be right- I'm probably confusing it with the fact NSW conducted a limited trial in the Sydney CBD.
The way this reads there is no review date set.
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Queensland-road-rules/Motorcycle-road-rules.aspx (http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Queensland-road-rules/Motorcycle-road-rules.aspx)
The penalties paragraph is a classic:
"New offences for lane filtering or riding on a shoulder incorrectly (for example, filtering at over 30km/hr or in a school zone during school zone hours) have been introduced, with an on-the-spot fine of $341 and 3 demerit points. There is a maximum penalty of $2,277 if the matter goes before a court."
The fact is, there is just one penalty for any type of breach of the laws, no matter how trivial.
And if you'd like to take the matter up with a Court, they might just escalate it to $2277.
You might wonder who thought up the bizarre figures. There were logical at one stage ($100, $150) then a while ago some bureaucrat decided to up the ante by 33% overall.
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I'm guessing the Government at the time hoped to buy votes with it knowing we wouldn't feel the penalties until after the election.
I was very aware of the fine and points which applied, hence my attempt to do "the right thing".
Universal application would be nice. A colleague gets caught 10 over and got a warning. :|||
As I said to the :law at the time, they are only doing their job. They did suggest that I talk to my local MP about the non graduated penalty. Normally I wouldn't bother, but this one I will.
Oh well, chalk it up to experience.
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If state legislation is anything like federal legislation, penalties are expressed in penalty units that are automatically adjusted for CPI. Sometimes there might be a discreet jump in the common penalty unit or a readjustment of penalties for particular offences relative to others.
trial period???
You might be right- I'm probably confusing it with the fact NSW conducted a limited trial in the Sydney CBD.
The way this reads there is no review date set.
[url]http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Queensland-road-rules/Motorcycle-road-rules.aspx[/url] ([url]http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Queensland-road-rules/Motorcycle-road-rules.aspx[/url])
The penalties paragraph is a classic:
"New offences for lane filtering or riding on a shoulder incorrectly (for example, filtering at over 30km/hr or in a school zone during school zone hours) have been introduced, with an on-the-spot fine of $341 and 3 demerit points. There is a maximum penalty of $2,277 if the matter goes before a court."
The fact is, there is just one penalty for any type of breach of the laws, no matter how trivial.
And if you'd like to take the matter up with a Court, they might just escalate it to $2277.
You might wonder who thought up the bizarre figures. There were logical at one stage ($100, $150) then a while ago some bureaucrat decided to up the ante by 33% overall.
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At eight mile plains this afternoon the Police had pulled over every single bike as was in the process of booking them (except me). I am very adapt at riding at the allotted speed. I was tempted to ask what offence they had all committed and if it was related to crossing a marked traffic island which transversed the breakdown lane, however I decided not to push my luck.
In another incident during the week, my work colleague observed a bike at great speed chasing an ambulance along the breakdown lane only to be pulled over and placed in handcuffs by a FJR officer. I think that means more than the $341 fine...
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At eight mile plains this afternoon the Police had pulled over every single bike as was in the process of booking them (except me). I am very adapt at riding at the allotted speed. I was tempted to ask what offence they had all committed and if it was related to crossing a marked traffic island which transversed the breakdown lane, however I decided not to push my luck.
In another incident during the week, my work colleague observed a bike at great speed chasing an ambulance along the breakdown lane only to be pulled over and placed in handcuffs by a FJR officer. I think that means more than the $341 fine...
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From those few events it appears the Constabulary are putting a heavy focus on the Gateway Arterial and M3/M1 to ensure no rider gets away with anything. Might be regarded as an "educational programme" :spank
The ambulance chaser was a born chancer. Could be a real licence buster! The copper might have taken a reading on the ambulance out of interest then found the bike in his sights and couldn't believe his luck! :o
I know it wouldn't happen, but imagine the FJR with the two of them on board headed to the lockup. :grin
yeah, yeah... single seat... don't spoil it!
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So we agree, that the law regarding "not filtering correctly" ($341/3pts) at least in Gadget's case was used over the "exceed speed limit by not more that 10km/h" ($140/1pt) infringement. :think1
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So we agree, that the law regarding "not filtering correctly" ($341/3pts) at least in Gadget's case was used over the "exceed speed limit by not more that 10km/h" ($140/1pt) infringement. :think1
BUT, he was in the filtering lane, so that over-rides the speeding sin. He was 55 kph under the posted speed limit.
And it's $151. Don't forget the tip!
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Just curious as to what the safety lane is. We have a breakdown lane on the few freeways we have and is it the same? No one over here can drive/ride in that lane.
Is the road shoulder (non-freeway) and safety lane (on a freeway) seen as two different things in regards to filtering?
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Alan,
In Qld the breakdown lane on a motorway is called the safety lane.
The road shoulder as far as I understand it can be the safety lane on freeways and the side of the road beyond the "fog line" as the truckers call it on highways and the edge of the bitumen/grass edge on country roads.
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From the current Australian Motorcyclist:
"We have word from an insider in the Government that all States and Territories will shortly introduce lane filtering legislation. The written legislation covering lane filtering will then be repealed Australia wide, so in fact there will be no specific legislation, but motorcycle riders will still be able to lane filter and not get issued any infringements by Police."
Strike a light! What does that mean?? Surely there will be a list of limitations and penalties. :eek
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Quote from: Biggles on 01-04-2015, 11:06:27 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=8152.msg106237#msg106237)
Strike a light! What does that mean?? Surely there will be a list of limitations and penalties. :eek
Also opens Pandora's box for insurance claim denials if a rider or property is injured/damaged during the act of filtering! :||||
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In the same vein...
http://www.amcn.com.au/news/1503/victorian-lane-filtering-laws-released/ (http://www.amcn.com.au/news/1503/victorian-lane-filtering-laws-released/)
Check the date on these... :p
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had a good laugh at that one,
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In the same vein...
[url]http://www.amcn.com.au/news/1503/victorian-lane-filtering-laws-released/[/url] ([url]http://www.amcn.com.au/news/1503/victorian-lane-filtering-laws-released/[/url])
Check the date on these... :p
Looks like they're pushing for what QLD has for SA http://www.ridetoreview.com/ (http://www.ridetoreview.com/)
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As Gadget Gary found, the hardest thing is to stay at or below 30 kph in the emergency/ edge lane. It feels like you could run faster. 40 kph is much more easily achievable.
The problem, of course, is some bureaucrat pulled 30 out of the air. If 40 is safe for cars in School Zones, then it's safe for M/Cs in emergency lanes.
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If 40 is safe for cars in School Zones, then it's safe for M/Cs in emergency lanes.
Be wary in SA with that. The limit is 25 24/7 between the signs while a student is on the footpath between them.
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Be wary in SA with that. The limit is 25 24/7 between the signs while a student is on the footpath between them.
Good grief- talk about go to extremes. There's all sorts of opportunity for entrapment and abuse in that scenario.
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In the same vein...
[url]http://www.amcn.com.au/news/1503/victorian-lane-filtering-laws-released/[/url] ([url]http://www.amcn.com.au/news/1503/victorian-lane-filtering-laws-released/[/url])
Check the date on these... :p
Only one commment to add to this, being as its 1st April... F the FFFFF :rofl
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I wonder how many Vic riders will adopt the 'DIY' approach, and fit a 10 cm extension puck to their boots? :rofl