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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: SteveR on August 10, 2015, 11:35:19 PM
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Good evening everyone,
After such a warm welcome to the forum, I have to just straight in and start hunting down a bike!
About 18 months ago I had a quick play on a '92 ST1100 belonging to a club member who lives not far from me, I was just toying with the idea of getting a bike more suited to longer distances at the time. Now I'm more seriously hunting and have found one which sounds about right...
I've been chatting with the owner of a '90 model, he rides a scooter and wanted to get back on a bigger bike, but decided it wasn't for him, so he's only owned it 12 months. The chap he bought it from (yes, this is all just here-say at the moment) was a bit of a perfectionist with too much money, in 2010 he did what sounds like a ground up rebuild, full respray, new engine (from a '99 model). The thing looks immaculate, 117 000K's on the bike, 70 000K's on the engine.
The only problem, he's up near Cronulla, NSW. There's a member in another Honda group who lives up there, but talking to him today, he's had an off and smashed his ankle (so no test ride), and admitted to not being all that mechanical... but still willing to take a 'look', but that's pretty much all he'll be able to do at the moment. I know I'm the new guy, so I don't want to be asking favours before I've had a chance to contribute to the group, but on the off chance that someone knowledgeable in ST's lives out that way and would be available to give this bike a once over, I'd really appreciate hearing from you. ...and I'd definitely owe a round or two when I come to pick it up :beer Here's a link to the ad: http://www.bikesales.com.au/private/SSE-AD-3319982/1990-Honda-ST1100/?cr=0&psq=((((((SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20available%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20in%20stock%5D)%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20bikes%5D)%7CSiloType%3D%5BDemo%20%26%20near%20new%20bikes%5D)%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20bikes%5D)%26(Make%3DHonda%26Model%3DST1100))%26Service%3DBikesales)&pso=0&pss=Premium (http://www.bikesales.com.au/private/SSE-AD-3319982/1990-Honda-ST1100/?cr=0&psq=((((((SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20available%5D%7CSiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20in%20stock%5D)%7CSiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20bikes%5D)%7CSiloType%3D%5BDemo%20%26%20near%20new%20bikes%5D)%7CSiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20bikes%5D)%26(Make%3DHonda%26Model%3DST1100))%26Service%3DBikesales)&pso=0&pss=Premium)
...Don't suppose anyone would know this particular bike by any chance??
Thanks!
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A few members around there could have a look. The 99 motor would solve a potential problem with the 28amp alternator, as 96 on used a car style 42+amp alternator.
Just read the add, new regulator seems odd, best to check if it has the upgraded alternator of the old one.
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Good luck with your search Steve, have a comb through the For Sale section here there may still be a few about forsale.....my old ST1100 is still forsale in Glen Innes :think1
Had a read of the bikesales add and the replacement engine from the NSW Ambulance ST1100.....nup :p NSW Ambulance have only ever had BMW's and FeeJars.
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Ahhh, see? That's why you come to the pros for advice! Thanks for the input guys, apparently he has receipts and paperwork for all the work done, so hopefully there will be some proof of origin of the motor.
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I was in the same boat as you when it came to this forum and a bike.
I found one that was for sale through the club here and got some really good feedback from other members about the bike itself, the person who rode it, their mechanical and service personality type etc.
I actually ended up buying it unseen and un-ridden.
With the whole 'Buyer beware' going through my head and knowing the other club members could only give me their 'best information' I was EXTREEMLY please with the help I got.
I would recommend checking out some of the club members who have bikes for sale because there is a relatively to excellent chance the bike is exactly what they say it will be or they will face the wrath of the other members.
I do know the bike ST2UP was sprucing above would be in good nic.
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ALSO..... can anyone tell me does the screen look a bit bodegy?? Looks like they have just got some Perspex and tried to wrap it around the front. It does not sit in the screen groove nicely? ..... or is that how early models were? Also the rear mud guard looks like it may have been shortened for some reason ????
I am NOT an expert though!!!!!!
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$4000, for a 1990 bike and 117000 Ks is a bit much I think, especially as the engine history is sus. Why replace the engine???? Does it have a 40 A alternator????
Keep looking around, folk are always reposting adds for 1100/1300 STs here. I'm sure some one with knowledge can take a look and ask the hard questions tho...
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ALSO..... can anyone tell me does the screen look a bit bodegy?? Looks like they have just got some Perspex and tried to wrap it around the front. It does not sit in the screen groove nicely? ..... or is that how early models were? Also the rear mud guard looks like it may have been shortened for some reason ????
I am NOT an expert though!!!!!!
Definitely looks like an aftermarket screen
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I know nothing mechanical but I'm not bad with Maths. Bike 117,000 and new engine 70,000. That's an engine change at 47,000. Has anyone EVER heard of such a short life from a ST? I think not. Keep looking my friend.
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The pictures shoe two different screens. The one with the cats eyes looks like my eagle screen with the winglets at the top (ie wider coverage) the other one has an adjustable vent, don't know what brand. There would be better more original ones around that are not bitsas.
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$3,000 would be closer to the right price. Rear tyre has done more than 500Km. My advice is too look elsewhere.
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Morning guys,
Thanks for the insights, re the engine, the replacement had 60 000 on it when it went in, so not a brand new one, but still, definitely before the old one 'should' have needed replacing... I got the impression that the owner who dos most of the work was the sort to want to upgrade anything possible, perhaps thinking that an ex-government engine had been 'tricked up' over the stock engines?
I appreciate the input and how you can all pick out little things, like the screen, because you all know the bikes so well!! On the CX forum, after they became a bit of an 'in thing' for a while, people would join the boards having bought a 'fantastic deal', which was actually a machine cobbled together of left over parts from someone's failed cafe racer attempts... I don't want to be that guy!!
It would still be interesting to have a look at this bike, just to look at the finer details and see whether it all adds up, but since I haven't been able to find anyone local to it, I'd have to wait until I'm next up in Sydney in Sept. I'd imagine it'll be gone by then, so I'll start looking elsewhere... I should probably start by posting a 'Wanted' ad on here, shouldn't I?! Thanks again!!
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Its much preferable to get a bike with a 40Amp alternator, it allows a lot more fun stuff to be fitted.
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keep looking :beer
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I don't want to be that guy!!
I should probably start by posting a 'Wanted' ad on here, shouldn't I?! Thanks again!!
Don't be THAT guy!
and yes look elsewhere and this is as good as any but keep lo0oking on gumtree, ebay, bikesales.com etc.
My fantastic one was on Gum Tree which when I came on here to say this is what I had found there were plenty who could attest to its history etc.
Keep looking and don't be in too much of a hurry if you can help it.
Cheers
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...and don't be in too much of a hurry if you can help it...
That's easy to say, until one starts looking and getting excited!
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That's easy to say, until one starts looking and getting excited!
Yep, I can relate to that. I bought my ST1100 sight unseen from a dealer in Sydney. I had test ridden one here in Darwin and fallen in love with it. Bought the one in Sydney, flew down and rode it back via Melbourne, Geelong and Adelaide, visiting family on the way and picking up a Shadow trailer in Adelaide. That was about 8 years ago, it's now done 182K and still going strong.
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I'd be suspicious of any ST that needed an engine transplant at 47,000km, as they are good to well beyond 200,000km.
Sorry to disappoint you but I too would look elsewhere. There will be plenty to look at, and lots of folk on the forum who would be prepared to have a look at a them for you. Don't be afraid of buying interstate and riding one home as Wendy has said.
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...Don't be afraid of buying interstate and riding one home as Wendy has said.
That's certainly been my plan, my partner is on the South NSW coast, I'll be riding up there for a visit next month, but if I could tie that in with collecting a bike, that'd be awesome.
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O pOnly 1 option as far as I can see :blu13 that's a blue st1300 .. who's with Me? Shiney, gadget, skip Duncan, Sean??
Sabie, member of the blue brethren....
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That's easy to say, until one starts looking and getting excited!
Yep, I can relate to that. I bought my ST1100 sight unseen from a dealer in Sydney. I had test ridden one here in Darwin and fallen in love with it. Bought the one in Sydney, flew down and rode it back via Melbourne, Geelong and Adelaide, visiting family on the way and picking up a Shadow trailer in Adelaide. That was about 8 years ago, it's now done 182K and still going strong.
And similar for mine. Bought a 99 model (11500 km) sight unseen (until I handed the money over) from private sale at Bendigo in 2006. Nine years later and now a few K short of a 180000 km. Caught the bus over and rode it back 900 km on day 1.
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There are nine ST1100s Australia-wide, six on the eastern side on BikeSales.
That's before you consider the seven ST1300s with ABS on the eastern side.
Lots of good gear among those.
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Earlier this year I sold 2000 ex Police ST1100 with 150,000 km on the clock for $3000. So that one seems over priced and a little bit dodgy.
ST1100s will be OK for over 200,000 km or more, I did oil and filter changes at 15,000 km. Try to get a post 1996 one with the larger alternator and one thing to really check is the steering head bearings.
If you need a screen, I recommend "screens for bikes" in Melbourne, and get one with the vents. Screens for bikes has a great product and delivery.
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I know it's a hell of a ride but I will be putting my baby up for sale in WA.
She's a 99 anniversary model with 79500km on the clock, new tread, ABS TCS and no scratches.
I paid $5900 just over 12 months ago but would be open to offers.
It's the golden girl on my profile pic.
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I know it's a hell of a ride but I will be putting my baby up for sale in WA.
She's a 99 anniversary model with 79500km on the clock, new tread, ABS TCS and no scratches.
I could almost do that just for giggles ........ if I had the money that is.
when the lottery rolls around my way I guess ....... if I played the lotto ...... I think you need to buy a ticket don't you?...... :p
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...and don't be in too much of a hurry if you can help it...
That's easy to say, until one starts looking and getting excited!
I know I know .... its really hard.
The only thing that slowed me down in the early days was my lack of funds.
What I can say is that I am soooo happy with my bike and the feed back I listened to on the forum.
If you can get someone to test a bike for you interstate it SSOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo worth buying as you really get a chance to bond with your bike on the nice long trip home.
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I went and had a test ride today and I think, colour is great, nice sound, no rough sounds from engine, and ......................
I'll wait for SteveR to reply.
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.SteveR I left a message on your phone
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Thanks Abe, I caught up with your message last night (had a hectic day wrangling chooks with my son yesterday!), I'll give you a call first chance I get. Thank you for taking the time to go look at the bike, I really appreciate the trouble.
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Thanks Abe, I caught up with your message last night (had a hectic day wrangling chooks with my son yesterday!), I'll give you a call first chance I get. Thank you for taking the time to go look at the bike, I really appreciate the trouble.
I read recently about a bloke here in Brisbane who is a career chook catcher.
He's very happy in his chosen vocation.
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Mine is still available
2000 ex police good cond.
does need some miner things attended 2.
$3000 as is
the members know my machine and can tell you what its like
around 200k and running like new needs rear tyre,
has extended handle bars ,clutch line and front brake line and cruise control
but that is not connected to switch block.
can supply GPS and reversing camera system as well.
Tipsy
oops It is in Brisbane
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I read recently about a bloke here in Brisbane who is a career chook catcher.
He's very happy in his chosen vocation.
...I might have to give him a call for some advice ;)
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I read recently about a bloke here in Brisbane who is a career chook catcher.
He's very happy in his chosen vocation.
...I might have to give him a call for some advice ;)
Fair dinkum! His family contract to the poultry farmers to go into their sheds and grab the fowls by the legs and cage them for transport to the abattoirs. He tried other jobs and kept coming back to what he does best. :grin
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I didnt know a Chicken plucker but i knew a Chicken Pluckers Son
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Well, Abe very kindly made the time to check out the silver bike I linked above, from his very objective observations, it sounds like it has maybe had a bit of a hard life, and there are possibly one or two things which don't add up, so... I think I'll give that one a miss!
I also spoke to the current owner of ST2UP's '94 which he's selling, it sounds like a fantastic bike, I'll just need to look into what costs are involved with transferring it to Vic, I'd like to come out of it for not much more than $4k, so I'll see how negotiations go. There is another '94 for sale locally for $3500, I'm considering checking it out, but I have to say that the idea of knowing a bike's honest history (i.e., ST2UP's) is worth a bit, especially if I'm planning to keep it for a good while.
Now, here's my other dilemma, which I'm hoping you can all talk me around... Originally I was looking for a '90/'91 model, so I could put it on club plates. I'm in a very lucky position of having a work vehicle supplied as part of my package, the up side of that, is I haven't had to worry about paying full reg for a few years (woohoo!), the downside, is even my daily rider bike has become a monthly rider (fortnightly if I'm lucky). So an ST will be ridden monthly at best... Probably for weekends away at least, and with a good week long trip every few months, but otherwise, it may not be seeing too much action in the in between times. My tight-fisted, frugal Scottish upbringing baulks at the idea of paying full reg for a 'toy'... I rationalise that by saying 'you only have to pay full reg on it for three years, then it can go on club plates'... any advice to settle my wallet-closing reflexes?? Thanks!
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Hmmmm. You could organise weekly RTEs in the beautiful Vic area. :grin
What are club plates?
Do you have to always take the work vehicle?
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Hmmmm. You could organise weekly RTEs in the beautiful Vic area. :grin
Sounds like a good plan! As with most things in life, I'll get more motivated if I know there are people expecting me! Our local VJMC occasionally does Sunday breakfast runs down the Great Ocean Road, which are great fun and usually home for morning tea... but if there isn't anything organised, I'll just dawdle around home and not get out at all... My son is with me every other weekend, so that 'off' weekend is often spent (wasted??) catching up on house work. ...but as soon as he's 'of age', he's keen to jump on the back!
What are club plates?
Club permit is for Historic vehicles (25yrs or older), takes your annual reg down to $60 for a 45 day permit, $120 for 90. It's great for the bikes/cars you only take out on weekends.
Do you have to always take the work vehicle?
Unfortunately, yes, too much gear to fit on the bike... even an ST... I still try to ride when I know I'm just going to be stuck in the office.
Having a lovely lady who loves to hang on the back of the bike (and is considering getting her own license now too) is a great incentive to get out and about.
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The restrictions of club plates vary from state to state, in Qld it's 30 years and must be signed off by the clubs president (it must be a registered club) you can only drive/ride on test runs 15 k's from residence. Ride/drive the vehicle to the nearest repairer, ride/drive on registered club runs, again it must be a registered club ... ozstoc would not comply as it's not a registered club. That's the qld rules I'd check your state to see what rules apply.
I was going to put the MGB onto club plates but it meant we couldn't go away on our own and the restrictions out weighed the advantages of cheaper Rego (the car couldn't really go anywhere)
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The restrictions of club plates vary from state to state,
That sounds similar to how Victoria used to be, quite restrictive. These days there are no restrictions on where/when you go out, it used to have to be a club sanctioned run, but not any more. I'm a member of two clubs specialising in vintage and/or customised vehicles, most of our meetings are just over a few beers at the local, a great thing to be a part of if your states laws aren't too restrictive.
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I'm planning on doing a run down the Great Ocean Road next month on Wed 16th.
Cheers,
Gary
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Qld Club Plate Rules, as you can see in Qld it's a whole heap of hassle.....
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Qld Club Plate Rules, as you can see in Qld it's a whole heap of hassle.....
Wow! A real hassle!
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I'm planning on doing a run down the Great Ocean Road next month on Wed 16th.
Cheers,
Gary
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Hmmm, I'm back from Sydney on the Monday, I think I might have a job on the Wednesday, but if not, look out!
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I'm planning on doing a run down the Great Ocean Road next month on Wed 16th.
Cheers,
Gary
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Hmmm, I'm back from Sydney on the Monday, I think I might have a job on the Wednesday, but if not, look out!
I'll be on my way from Melbourne to Portland via the GOR. Kev Murphy is going to meet up with on the way into Portland, but it would be nice to have company in the GOR.
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I personally thought that this bike would be worth consideration. I noticed it had after market mufflers, and MCL lowered footpegs. The screen is often just a matter of preference and many change to suit. The panels look good. the engine ... well ... if one gets the inside run on what had happened and you know you have a good engine then I think a sweet low km powerplant is sweet, to be honest. If it was within my budget and came close to what I was looking for, I would go for it.
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I personally thought that this bike would be worth consideration...
Everything you've said is pretty much spot on to what I was originally thinking, until having a good chat to Abe about it. I thought 'New motor? Awesome!', forgetting, of course, the wear and tear a good flogging would have had on the rest of the bike. Apparently there is a fair amount of play in the final drive, along with a few other things which point to a short, hard life. Also, you'll notice the angle of the rear brake lever, the seller told me it had been professionally lowered because of the PO's tendency to rest his foot on the lever... Apparently, on closer inspection it looks like it's just been broken at some point...
I have to say, I'm immensely grateful for Abe checking the bike out, my other contact up there would have just looked at it and said 'Yep, nice clean bike', so having someone who really knows the model check it out may have saved me some headaches down the track.
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Awesome work Abe :thumbs
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^^^^What this wise man said :thumbsup
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Great detective work Abe.
SteveR, Well done for listening a wise old man! :rofl :rofl
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Great detective work Abe.
SteveR, Well done for listening a wise old man! :rofl :rofl
Hey, it can be hard to do when you're chomping at the bit! For me, the bottom line is that, I've got my smaller bikes for tinkering on, what I want from my ST is a STeed which is ready to load up and head for the hills whenever I need to get away, which it didn't sound like this one would without a little work first.
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Hang in there mate ..... something will come your way ..... it took me quite a while to find one I was happy with.
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Hang in there mate ..... something will come your way ..... it took me quite a while to find one I was happy with.
I'm actually in the process of lining up Chris' old bike, I meant to call the current owner over the weekend, but got caught up in the bliss of an unseasonably sunny Victorian winter weekend, so I spent most of it our cruising the hills... I'll try to get on to him this arvo...
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Well, by the formal nature of an (over the phone) gentleman's agreement, I am now the new owner of ST2UP's old ST1100... Yahoo!
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old........OLD......never :-(((
just aged and experienced Wot thuh
Or is that me :fp
Can't remember :-[
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Thanks guys, It's going to be about three weeks until I can pick him/her up, I can't wait!
I'm taking a week off work to make the trip up to NSW and back home, maybe I should start a preemptive ride report to work out the itinerary and route, in case anyone wants to join in for ride along the way
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In three weeks time today, I'll be on my way from Adelaide to Balranald. I think ST2UP and Pockey will be on their way there too.
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In three weeks time today, I'll be on my way from Adelaide to Balranald. I think ST2UP and Pockey will be on their way there too.
Interesting, I had considered visiting Dad in SA on the way home, which would take me out that way... Hmmm...