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Honda ST1100 Section => Electrics & Electronics - Volts, Amps and Fuses ST1100 => Topic started by: NTRebel on August 26, 2015, 02:09:43 PM

Title: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: NTRebel on August 26, 2015, 02:09:43 PM
Hi all.
 I'm in the process of installing driving lights and CB and if I'm correct I need to wire battery to relay then relay to switched source my main problem is that I was thinking of running to separate fuse box but have read on here where aftermarket fuse boxes don't particularly play nice with the CB so I would appreciate any information from the wizards of electricery as to  how you have wired up the electrics. I also am aware that by law driving lights have to be wired into the high beam circuit. any advice would be greatly appreciated.

cheers paul
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: alans1100 on August 26, 2015, 02:57:53 PM
Not to sure about the CB on a bike thing but here's a very basic driving light diagram. I took my relay feed from the LH high beam wire going into the globe rather than the light switch. The negative (Earth) wire from the relay can either go back to the battery or the frame. The power feed to the positive on the battery.

(http://www.imghostr.net/images/2019/05/22/c957d85a8e148047f18ff05fb0f0dbff.jpg)

The on/off switch can be placed where you it's convenient for you. I mounted mine on the LH fairing filler panel.

(http://www.imghostr.net/images/2019/05/22/cd4c2d8b50b4107888c9e0722e6c4cf1.jpg)
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: atoyot on August 26, 2015, 03:35:14 PM
I'm definately not a guru, but what I've done works, so I must almost be one?  :eek

Pretty much the same as what Allan shows above, for the CB, except just use a tap into the rear tail light wire or something similar thats on when the bikes running, so that you can't leave the CB on and flatten your battery.

Nice switch Allan; what type is it?
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: NTRebel on August 26, 2015, 03:53:55 PM
So I take it there's no need for seeparate fuse box or fuses

I'm definately not a guru, but what I've done works, so I must almost be one?  :eek

Pretty much the same as what Allan shows above, for the CB, except just use a tap into the rear tail light wire or something similar thats on when the bikes running, so that you can't leave the CB on and flatten your battery.

Nice switch Allan; what type is it?


Not to sure about the CB on a bike thing but here's a very basic driving light diagram. I took my relay feed from the LH high beam wire going into the globe rather than the light switch. The negative (Earth) wire from the relay can either go back to the battery or the frame. The power feed to the positive on the battery.
([url]http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j374/alans1100/wiring-diag.png[/url]) ([url]http://s1082.photobucket.com/user/alans1100/media/wiring-diag.png.html[/url])

The on/off switch can be placed where you it's convenient for you. I mounted mine on the LH fairing filler panel.

([url]http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j374/alans1100/SpotLightSwitch11thJanuary2012.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1082.photobucket.com/user/alans1100/media/SpotLightSwitch11thJanuary2012.jpg.html[/url])
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: Wombat on August 26, 2015, 03:57:10 PM
My 2 cents worth. There is a connection out of the wiring plugs that has power with ignition. One of the old relays.  I need to look at the diagram but I am sure Brock will know. My dash is connected to this (maybe 7 on the 9 plug) and is only active with ignition. The power draw should be minimul :grin :grin
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: alans1100 on August 26, 2015, 04:10:37 PM

Nice switch Allan; what type is it?
No Idea what type . It's just a basic on/off rocker type switch that I bought from an auto shop in Karratha back in 2009 when I fitted my first set of driving lights to the bike.

It's like the one in the link but without the extra wire for the tell tale light so only two terminals not three.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRO82-2137-Grote-LED-Rocker-Switch-On-Off-30-amp-12V-D-C-/371406527392?hash=item56798ddba0&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/GRO82-2137-Grote-LED-Rocker-Switch-On-Off-30-amp-12V-D-C-/371406527392?hash=item56798ddba0&vxp=mtr)
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: alans1100 on August 26, 2015, 04:16:22 PM
So I take it there's no need for seeparate fuse box or fuses
Most driving light kits come with the wiring included so it's just a matter of adding the wires into the bike/car electrics.

A fuse would be fitted on the wire from the relay to the battery. 
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: atoyot on August 26, 2015, 04:26:32 PM
When you say a fuse box, I assume you're not referring to a Fuzeblock as below

http://www.fuzeblocks.com/ (http://www.fuzeblocks.com/)

but either inline fuses or an automotive block of fuses similar to this:

http://www.spoiledbiker.com/product2666.html (http://www.spoiledbiker.com/product2666.html)

Yes, seperate fuses, but you could use a block like this above, particularly if you got other devices that can't be switched by a common switched power source. That's where a Fuzeblock, Centech AP1, Denali Powerhub or the like. Just fuse them prior to the relay. I hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: Brock on August 26, 2015, 05:25:27 PM
Paul,

Is your bike an ex Police bike, if so the source of switched power is easy. I am not a fan of breaking into wires and tapping into them as it can create problems later if not done properly. If it is a police bike, the have a look at the wiring diagram thats posted in the 1100 wiring area..

With regards the CB, some have had a problem with noise getting into the power wires, causing static/ whining in the audio out. There are a trick or two to reduce that.
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: STroppy on August 26, 2015, 07:33:04 PM
Paul,

With regards the CB, some have had a problem with noise getting into the power wires, causing static/ whining in the audio out. There are a trick or two to reduce that.

And those tricks are?
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: Brock on August 26, 2015, 07:54:25 PM
Take a ferrite core (available in Jaycar) [Looks like a doughnut sort of]

(http://www.packetradio.com/catalog/bmz_cache/e/e1cbc6b9bc1a5f27347ffad33e282b3f.image.250x250.jpg)

Wind as many turns of wire as you can through the core. Both wires..  should look like this but with two wires. the neg and positive wires should be wound in opposite directions.

(http://www.am1000rangemaster.com/rfchoke9.jpg)
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: Brock on August 26, 2015, 07:57:57 PM
I have done this with my CB, and there is only the faintest hint of a whine/whistle. The Choke is wound using the wires into the CB, and acts like an electromagnet, that blocks the noise on the leads.
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: Gadget on August 26, 2015, 08:33:19 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: Brock on August 26, 2015, 09:02:27 PM
I already said that Gadget

 :|||| :|||| :well
Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: Gadget on August 26, 2015, 09:54:38 PM
Just proving you were right.  ;)

Title: Re: Electrickery gurus needed
Post by: NTRebel on August 26, 2015, 10:54:06 PM
Unfortunately not ex police that's what makes it more fun.

Paul,

Is your bike an ex Police bike, if so the source of switched power is easy. I am not a fan of breaking into wires and tapping into them as it can create problems later if not done properly. If it is a police bike, the have a look at the wiring diagram thats posted in the 1100 wiring area..

With regards the CB, some have had a problem with noise getting into the power wires, causing static/ whining in the audio out. There are a trick or two to reduce that.