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Title: Mudgee Overnight RTE 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: STroppy on October 03, 2020, 06:33:46 AM
The 2020 OzSTOC Rally has been postponed to 12-13-14 March 2021

The Rally will be held at the Big4 Mudgee Holiday Park

71 Lions Dr, Mudgee NSW 2850

(02) 63721090

https://www.mudgeeholidaypark.com.au (https://www.mudgeeholidaypark.com.au)

BIG4 Mudgee Holiday Park is set amongst 15 acres of peaceful, secluded and beautifully landscaped grounds. Conveniently located close to the centre of Mudgee town and just a short stroll to the local golf course.

They offer a range of comfortable and affordable accommodation options, from cosy studios to spacious two bedroom cabins. We also have grass or paved caravan and camping sites and are pet friendly.

Enjoy everything the beautiful Mudgee region has to offer including local wineries, fabulous food markets, honey tasting, historic museums and villages, gold fossicking, as well as activities like tennis, squash, bowling, horse and bike riding.

Joso advises

Hi all just a message to book early at big 4 van park that way we will be able to all be in one place if you have any questions donít hesitate to ring me   Joso 0417421196 👍👍

For those that want a motel we have Cudgegong Valley Motel on side if booking let them know you are with ozstoc said they will do a deal
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on October 03, 2020, 06:59:18 AM
I plan to be there and have my accommodation booked.  Already looking forward to it.


p.s.
Shouldn't this go in the National Events (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?board=30.0) sub forum?
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: STroppy on October 03, 2020, 08:31:43 AM
I plan to be there and have my accommodation booked.  Already looking forward to it.


p.s.
Shouldn't this go in the National Events ([url]http://ozstoc.com/index.php?board=30.0[/url]) sub forum?


It should have, and Shiney has graciously moved it, I couldnít post it there and have it as a sticky topic as I donít have those privileges in the National Events Topic.

Also someone in the Mudgee National Organising Committee needs to provide more information on what will be happening at that Rally. I have no idea who is on that Committee.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on October 03, 2020, 10:14:22 AM
Good work Shiney.   :thumb
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Nigel on October 03, 2020, 12:55:39 PM
Booked, at the Big 4 ready to go........... :eek
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: StinkyPete on October 03, 2020, 01:55:38 PM
Chris and I have booked a cabin and we sure hope this can go ahead.   Fingers crossed.........
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Shillas on October 03, 2020, 09:54:47 PM
Might have to redo my leave application I have over Easter to include the Rally.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Wild Rose on October 04, 2020, 08:08:25 AM
Robyn and I have changed our accommodation and plan to be there  :like
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Bloodman on October 04, 2020, 08:12:12 AM
Alison and I have changed our accommodation and plan to be there  :like


ex :blu13left

Justin
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: West Aussie Glen on October 04, 2020, 09:37:44 AM
Theresa and I should be there. Our accommodation booking has been changed.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: STroppy on October 05, 2020, 05:03:37 AM
Those going so far:

Stroppy
TipTo
BodÝ
Nigel
West Aussie Glen + Theresa
Bloodman + Alison
Wild Rose + Robyn
StinkyPete + Chris
Shillas
JD + Chippy
PC + Navgirl
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Jdbiker on October 05, 2020, 06:03:35 AM
Please add Jd and Chippy to the list :runyay
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: PC on October 05, 2020, 07:24:45 AM
PC and Navgirl can go on the list  :runyay
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on October 05, 2020, 07:33:39 AM
How did I end up so far down the list when I was the first to respond and confirm?   :Stirpot
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Jdbiker on October 05, 2020, 07:49:53 AM
Itís on a ďMost Liked ď basis, by STroppy :grin
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: ruSTynutz on October 05, 2020, 09:55:25 AM
 |-i :rofl

Itís on a ďMost Liked ď basis, by STroppy :grin
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Jdbiker on October 05, 2020, 06:08:50 PM
How did I end up so far down the list.



Now you are No 2 :grin
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Nigel on October 05, 2020, 06:19:42 PM
How did I end up so far down the list.



Now you are No 2 :grin

And we all know what number two is! :eek
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Shillas on October 05, 2020, 07:22:09 PM
How did I end up so far down the list.


It's on a "Most Liked" basis, by STroppy
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on October 05, 2020, 07:29:37 PM
 :rofl
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Biggles on October 05, 2020, 08:09:06 PM
Those going so far:

Stroppy
TipTo
BodÝ
Nigel
West Aussie Glen + Theresa
Bloodman + Alison
Wild Rose + Robyn
StinkyPete + Chris
Shillas
JD + Chippy
PC + Navgirl
Biggles & Mrs Biggles
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Joso on October 05, 2020, 08:21:27 PM
Better add me to this list :wht11
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Shiney on October 05, 2020, 08:49:46 PM
Those going so far:

Stroppy
TipTo
BodÝ
Nigel
West Aussie Glen + Theresa
Bloodman + Alison
Wild Rose + Robyn
StinkyPete + Chris
Shillas
JD + Chippy
PC + Navgirl
Biggles & Mrs Biggles
Joso
Shiney + Carrol
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: WendyL on October 07, 2020, 02:19:47 PM
Put me down with my + 1

Hopefully Iíll be back riding by then...


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Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Sulkybear on October 07, 2020, 02:47:52 PM
Count me in I will be there.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Marcus on October 07, 2020, 02:51:19 PM
pencil me in ;)
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: STroppy on October 07, 2020, 03:37:28 PM
Those going so far:

Stroppy
TipTo
BodÝ
Nigel
West Aussie Glen + Theresa
Bloodman + Alison
Wild Rose + Robyn
StinkyPete + Chris
Shillas
JD + Chippy
PC + Navgirl
Biggles & Mrs Biggles
Joso
Shiney + Carrol
WendyL + Brookester
Sulkybear
Marcus
Ppopeye and Chris
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Sulkybear on October 07, 2020, 04:47:45 PM
Got to keep my perfect record going.  :blk11
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: ppopeye on October 07, 2020, 04:58:38 PM
Chris and I are planning to be there. Just working out some logistical bits and pieces. Where when and if we can leave Charlie somewhere and end  up in Mallacoota immediately after the rally.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on October 07, 2020, 05:06:22 PM
Chris and I are planning to be there. Just working out some logistical bits and pieces. Where when and if we can leave Charlie somewhere and end  up in Mallacoota immediately after the rally.

I was going to Mallacoota after the rally in my original plan for this month but just as I finished a course bushfires broke out and I never booked anything.  I'm sort of replanning my march trip at present but doubt I'll be going into Victoria (no disrespect).
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: WendyL on October 10, 2020, 01:40:56 PM
Put me down with my + 1

Hopefully Iíll be back riding by then...


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STroppy, please update the list to reflect Brookester as attending , Not just as a +1


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Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Shillas on October 10, 2020, 08:43:39 PM
I really hope things are easing up by then.

At this point, as far as my employer is concerned,  I still need to isolate for 14 days if coming in from NSW.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: STroppy on October 11, 2020, 04:10:22 AM
Those going so far:

Stroppy
TipTo
BodÝ
Nigel
West Aussie Glen + Theresa
Bloodman + Alison
Wild Rose + Robyn
StinkyPete + Chris
Shillas
JD + Chippy
PC + Navgirl
Biggles & Mrs Biggles
Joso
Shiney + Carrol
WendyL + Brookester
Sulkybear
Marcus
Ppopeye and Chris
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: ppopeye on October 13, 2020, 09:30:40 AM
Chris and I are now booked in to the caravan park.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Shillas on October 29, 2020, 11:00:14 PM
As esteemed and cultured members of the Community, First Choice Liquor Stores have suggested additional itinerary options for those attending the National Rally, should it be able to go ahead. Unfortunately, none of the reasons for visiting suggested motorcycling.


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Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: StinkyPete on October 30, 2020, 07:04:13 AM
I note that the October NatRally was postponed about 25 weeks from the event, partly due to long lead times for production of badges etc, but also because Covid1-19 was getting away.    We are now just 19 weeks from Mudgee NatRally 2021,  so perhaps we can assume that it's going ahead....    :runyay

I am so looking forward to being able to catch up with my interstate friends again.  :beer
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on October 31, 2020, 06:45:24 AM
I hope so, although I hope to be going regardless, pending borders being open.

Who is organising it?  I note ST2UP and Sicman haven't logged in for quite a while and just two months ago when I went to the bank to make my annual donation to the club (albiet later than usual) I was informed the bank account was closed.  I did send a PM but as the person I sent the PM hasn't logged in since the day before that I have had no response.  That and the website being transferred to another host makes me wonder.

Nevertheless, I intend to be there, which reminds me, I had better start planning routes/accommodation before and after.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: STroppy on October 31, 2020, 07:21:51 AM
I donít know who is organising the Mudgee Rally, I havenít heard from Chris for a very long time.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: ST2UP on November 01, 2020, 12:41:54 PM
 Mudgee still all a go......just playing the COVID balancing act in regards to groups, venues, travel, shirts from overseas etc.

Been getting flogged at works, so Iíve been quiet on socials etc.

Registration will go live in the coming weeks.


Cheers
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: STroppy on November 01, 2020, 12:44:50 PM
Great to hear!
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: ppopeye on November 01, 2020, 01:06:50 PM
Good news :Like:
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Gadget on November 01, 2020, 05:41:47 PM
Just called my Dad, and during the discussion he asked if I'd ever stayed at Mudgee.

The reason he asked is they have just come back from a Western NSW holiday to Parks, Dubbo and Narrabri.

When he got to Mudgee, the cheapest motel room was $275, the dearest $500.

As they were planning on staying 3 nights, they went to the Caravan Park and got a cabin for $125. He said it was rustic, good and clean, but the bed was so hard, you may as well have slept on the floor.

Apparently it's not too far from Sydney and due to COVID, Sydneysiders are flocking there for the weekends, booking the place or and hitting the local wineries.

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Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Wild Rose on November 01, 2020, 06:04:42 PM
It will be here before we know it  :grin
Bring it on  :thumbsup
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on November 01, 2020, 06:51:06 PM
I can't wait.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Sicman on November 01, 2020, 08:23:39 PM
I hope so, although I hope to be going regardless, pending borders being open.

Who is organising it?  I note ST2UP and Sicman haven't logged in for quite a while and just two months ago when I went to the bank to make my annual donation to the club (albiet later than usual) I was informed the bank account was closed.  I did send a PM but as the person I sent the PM hasn't logged in since the day before that I have had no response.  That and the website being transferred to another host makes me wonder.

Interesting comment above - What are you wondering about?  Not one person from this club  has made contact to see how us Paramedics have been coping with the Covid workload, and the workload from the 2019/20 bushfire period that Chris and I were so heavily tasked to thru our main jobs and our volunteer roles  :fp
Chris and Jean are the decision makers, I just help out with the facebook posts when I get time, but this last 12 months there hasn't been much spare time. If anyone wants to step up to help plan the Mudgee event, then chat with Chris.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: ruSTynutz on November 01, 2020, 09:21:28 PM
Sicman, I'm sorry no-one has enquired about how you've been coping but I, like many other members probably had no idea of your occupation and volunteer roles!
Anyways, I'll say it now, here's hoping you & Chris are both doing okay...and a big thankyou to all those paramedics and volunteers out there!!!  :beer
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on November 02, 2020, 03:29:06 AM
I didn't know about volunteer roles although I did know what your occupation is.  With the forum being moved another host, the bank account being closed and neither of you logging on for a while I was wondering if the mantle had been passed onto someone else.  I wasn't attacking either of you personally.  And for what it's worth, fewer people ask how transport workers have been coping.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on November 02, 2020, 08:27:04 AM
... Registration will go live in the coming weeks.

Thanks Chris, good to know.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Phil.S on November 02, 2020, 02:09:43 PM
I want to attend the Rally the main that hold me at this time is getting though Victoria, I may have to fly to Brisbane and drive down
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Phil.S on November 02, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
I have just booked into the cabin park just the getting there now
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Marcus on November 02, 2020, 02:20:40 PM
I have just booked into the cabin park just the getting there now
The borders will be open by then
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on November 02, 2020, 03:20:12 PM
I have just booked into the cabin park just the getting there now

Thanks for the reminder Phil.S  I have just booked as well.

I have a two bedroom cabin for Phil W and me.  If anyone misses out on a booking at the Big4, there were (at last check) some reasonably priced rooms at the Paragon Hotel, a 1.5km walk to the Big4.  https://goo.gl/maps/SFZ6vJ3wFQjwKrA99  If ya at the Paragon, don't make any smart alec comments about the bar staff, one of 'em is Joso's daughter-in-law, don't ask how I know.

Those going so far:

Stroppy
TipTo
BodÝ
Nigel
West Aussie Glen + Theresa
Bloodman + Alison
Wild Rose + Robyn
StinkyPete + Chris
Shillas
JD + Chippy
PC + Navgirl
Biggles & Mrs Biggles
Joso
Shiney + Carrol
WendyL + Brookester
Sulkybear
Marcus
Ppopeye and Chris
Phil.S
Michael
Phil.W (with the Harley outfit)
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: PC on November 02, 2020, 04:37:26 PM
Hey Bodo did you get the pm I sent you ?
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on November 02, 2020, 04:40:29 PM
Hey Bodo did you get the pm I sent you ?

Yes I did.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Gadget on November 03, 2020, 10:05:27 AM
I hope so, although I hope to be going regardless, pending borders being open.

Who is organising it?  I note ST2UP and Sicman haven't logged in for quite a while and just two months ago when I went to the bank to make my annual donation to the club (albiet later than usual) I was informed the bank account was closed.  I did send a PM but as the person I sent the PM hasn't logged in since the day before that I have had no response.  That and the website being transferred to another host makes me wonder.

Interesting comment above - What are you wondering about?  Not one person from this club  has made contact to see how us Paramedics have been coping with the Covid workload, and the workload from the 2019/20 bushfire period that Chris and I were so heavily tasked to thru our main jobs and our volunteer roles  :fp
Chris and Jean are the decision makers, I just help out with the facebook posts when I get time, but this last 12 months there hasn't been much spare time. If anyone wants to step up to help plan the Mudgee event, then chat with Chris.
Hi Tony,

All our Paramedics, Nurses, Doctors, Firefighters, and all the public facing professions like bus drivers, train drivers, cashiers, wait staff, shop assistants etc, have been on my mind throughout this pandemic (which is a long way from over).

I know how very fortunate I am to be able to work from home, and feel for everyone who don't have a choice, especially those who risk their lives serving the community.

I hope you and your families are coping well with everything.

If you need to talk, I am prepared to listen.

Cheers
Gary

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Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on November 03, 2020, 10:51:02 AM
Whilst I'm appreciative and gratefull for all of the personal dedication and support of all frontline workers through COVID, as well as the thanks expressed in this thread, in my view this thread is not the place for many of these posts.

Two reasons for my view:
 
By all means, post comments, questions and responses about COVID, frontline workers, their personal efforts, etc ... in a dedicated thread.  Perhaps one of the forum adminstrators or moderators can create a new COVID thread and then cut 'n' paste relevant posts from here (including this post) to the new thread.

Another personal perspective, I have been fortunate, like Gary, to be able to work from home, no more than 10 office vists, and less one-on-one meetings with members of the public, since mid-March.  But most of my close family, being nurses and teachers, have not been as fortunate.  To them and others and other frontline workers, thank you.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Sicman on November 03, 2020, 04:50:46 PM
Whilst I'm appreciative and gratefull for all of the personal dedication and support of all frontline workers through COVID, as well as the thanks expressed in this thread, in my view this thread is not the place for many of these posts.

Two reasons for my view:
  • Much of the kind words expressed will lost in discussion about the NatRally.
  • Following much of the discussion about the NatRally can be difficult - and quite frankly, somewhat confusing.
 
By all means, post comments, questions and responses about COVID, frontline workers, their personal efforts, etc ... in a dedicated thread.  Perhaps one of the forum adminstrators or moderators can create a new COVID thread and then cut 'n' paste relevant posts from here (including this post) to the new thread.

Another personal perspective, I have been fortunate, like Gary, to be able to work from home, no more than 10 office vists, and less one-on-one meetings with members of the public, since mid-March.  But most of my close family, being nurses and teachers, have not been as fortunate.  To them and others and other frontline workers, thank you.
Sounds like a good idea Michael. I only wanted people to know how busy we were, to explain why the absence and to quell the doubts of the person making, what read like allegations  :thumb
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on November 03, 2020, 05:04:59 PM
Who was making allegations?  I just asked a question and stated why I raised it.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Joso on November 07, 2020, 09:31:48 PM
Hi gang hope you are busy planning your Nat rally in Mudgee 2021 donít forget to book early at the big 4 so we will all be in one spot have been planing our ride & lunch for sat ride and maybe something new have to wait & see     Cheers Joso
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on November 27, 2020, 04:07:19 PM
Hi gang hope you are busy planning your Nat rally in Mudgee 2021 donít forget to book early at the big 4 so we will all be in one spot have been planing our ride & lunch for sat ride and maybe something new have to wait & see     Cheers Joso

Got a cabin booked at the Big4.

Got a route or destination in mind for the ride and lunch on the Saturday?
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Jdbiker on November 30, 2020, 06:59:57 AM
Only 3 months to go  :runyay.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Joso on December 01, 2020, 06:50:20 PM
Hi gang donít forget to book your acc early for Nat rally so we can all be at one place plenty for the girls to do if they donít want to go on the sat ride lots of gift shops & wineries so come to our beautiful little town & enjoy have a great ride & lunch for our sat ride and maybe something new will have to wait & see ??????
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Joso on December 01, 2020, 06:52:38 PM
If anyone has any questions donít hesitate to ring me 0417421196 cheers joso
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Phil.S on December 07, 2020, 06:11:18 AM
When does Registration open for the rally
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Rod on December 15, 2020, 05:01:28 PM
I'm a yes for the rally, looking forward to it!
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: ST2UP on December 20, 2020, 08:17:56 AM
Morning All,

Was about to open registration this weekend via the OzSTOC Shop.....however, the latest little NSW COVID scare will have us hold for another week. We are still within the Pin, Patch, Shirt lead in timeframe...

Remember what is reported in the media today in regards to positive COVID numbers and ďhotspotsĒ is 24-48 hr old information due to testing process times etc.

Hope everyone and your families are well.


Cheers

Chris and Pockey
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: StinkyPete on December 20, 2020, 03:06:42 PM
With the current uncertainties, and the possibility that travel restrictions could cause the rally to be cancelled at the last minute, perhaps an option is to have the Mudgee NatRally but without the Pin, Patch and Shirt.   It could have all of the elements of our usual NatRally but without the need to commit club funds in advance to the Pin, Patch and Shirts.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on December 20, 2020, 03:27:22 PM
By the same token, even in the event of it being cancelled I'd still like a shirt.  I wouldn't mind a 2020 that has a note saying the original event was cancelled.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: STroppy on December 20, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
Those going so far:

Stroppy
TipTo
BodÝ
Nigel
West Aussie Glen + Theresa
Bloodman + Alison
Wild Rose + Robyn
StinkyPete + Chris
Shillas
JD + Chippy
PC + Navgirl
Biggles & Mrs Biggles
Joso
Shiney + Carrol
WendyL + Brookester
Sulkybear
Marcus
Ppopeye and Chris
Phil.S
Michael
Phil.W (with the Harley outfit)
Rod

Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on December 21, 2020, 07:56:34 AM
Morning All,

Was about to open registration this weekend via the OzSTOC Shop.....however, the latest little NSW COVID scare will have us hold for another week. We are still within the Pin, Patch, Shirt lead in timeframe...

Remember what is reported in the media today in regards to positive COVID numbers and ďhotspotsĒ is 24-48 hr old information due to testing process times etc.

Hope everyone and your families are well.

Cheers

Chris and Pockey

Thanks for the update, I'm sure there will be plenty of time to organise what needs to be organised, and what doesn't ...

With the current uncertainties, and the possibility that travel restrictions could cause the rally to be cancelled at the last minute, perhaps an option is to have the Mudgee NatRally but without the Pin, Patch and Shirt.   It could have all of the elements of our usual NatRally but without the need to commit club funds in advance to the Pin, Patch and Shirts.

...or perhaps the Pin, Patch and Shirt could be organised after the event, if organised at all.  IMHO, having and attending the event is more important than having the event memorabilia whilst at the event; for those that a really keen collectors, these items can be ordered and distributed at a later date.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: West Aussie Glen on December 21, 2020, 08:29:34 AM

...or perhaps the Pin, Patch and Shirt could be organised after the event, if organised at all.  IMHO, having and attending the event is more important than having the event memorabilia whilst at the event; for those that a really keen collectors, these items can be ordered and distributed at a later date.

I think that is a great idea. We all seem to have different likes in terms of memorabilia.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Cerebral Knievel on December 21, 2020, 07:36:31 PM

Those going so far:

Stroppy
TipTo
BodÝ
Nigel
West Aussie Glen + Theresa
Bloodman + Alison
Wild Rose + Robyn
StinkyPete + Chris
Shillas
JD + Chippy
PC + Navgirl
Biggles & Mrs Biggles
Joso
Shiney + Carrol
WendyL + Brookester
Sulkybear
Marcus
Ppopeye and Chris
Phil.S
Michael
Phil.W (with the Harley outfit)
Rod
Cerebral Knievel
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Joso on December 26, 2020, 01:17:01 PM
Hi gang just a reminder if you want a motel for national rally contact the cudgegong valley motel tell them you are with ozstoc luke & Lauren will look after you cheers joso
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Cerebral Knievel on December 26, 2020, 07:46:19 PM
 As a devout STrict teetotaller i have no interest in the devils brew but it may tempt some :eek

www.mudgeebrewing.com.au/ (http://www.mudgeebrewing.com.au/)
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on December 26, 2020, 07:55:53 PM
As a devout STrict teetotaller i have no interest in the devils brew but it may tempt some :eek

[url=http://www.mudgeebrewing.com.au/]www.mudgeebrewing.com.au/[/url] ([url]http://www.mudgeebrewing.com.au/[/url])

That had not escaped my attention, and also the fact that there are four or five clubs and pubs to pick-up on a walk between the Big4 and the Brewery.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Nigel on December 26, 2020, 08:26:24 PM
As a devout STrict teetotaller i have no interest in the devils brew but it may tempt some :eek

[url=http://www.mudgeebrewing.com.au/]www.mudgeebrewing.com.au/[/url] ([url]http://www.mudgeebrewing.com.au/[/url])

That had not escaped my attention, and also the fact that there are four or five clubs and pubs to pick-up on a walk between the Big4 and the Brewery.



So , what your saying he`s FOS................possibly.... :grin
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: ST2UP on December 27, 2020, 09:09:19 AM
Morning yíall,

I trust your Xmas was as you wished for ..... ;-*

One of our pre-COVID Rally Sponsors has needed to withdraw their financial support for unfortunate business reasons.

So if anyone has any ideas for a quick sponsor or two it would be helpfully. Essentially a few hundred $ will get you a spot on the sleeve and $500 plus will earn a breast location on the front.

The other option is to kick the rally rego cost up by upto $10 at most.


Cheers

Chris
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on December 27, 2020, 09:18:13 AM
Morning yíall,

I trust your Xmas was as you wished for ..... ;-*

One of our pre-COVID Rally Sponsors has needed to withdraw their financial support for unfortunate business reasons.

So if anyone has any ideas for a quick sponsor or two it would be helpfully. Essentially a few hundred $ will get you a spot on the sleeve and $500 plus will earn a breast location on the front.

The other option is to kick the rally rego cost up by upto $10 at most.


Cheers

Chris

I know some of the difficulties getting sponsors for NatRally type events, and some of the resulting emotional and mental stress to the organisers.  If lack of adequate sponsorship only adds $10 to rego cost, that's only a small cost that I'm happy to accept.

 
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on December 27, 2020, 09:42:39 AM
Same here.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: STroppy on December 27, 2020, 09:54:20 AM
Me three!
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Wild Rose on December 27, 2020, 10:57:54 AM
Me 4
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Biggles on December 27, 2020, 02:38:17 PM
You don't need me on your sleeve or breast, so it'll have to be ten bux.   :crackup
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on December 27, 2020, 05:33:41 PM
I know some of the difficulties getting sponsors for NatRally type events, and some of the resulting emotional and mental stress to the organisers.  If lack of adequate sponsorship only adds $10 to rego cost, that's only a small cost that I'm happy to accept.

Same here.

 :thumbs

Me three!

 :thumbs


Me 4

 :thumbs

You don't need me on your sleeve or breast, so it'll have to be ten bux.   :crackup

 :thumbs

Looks like a good response so far.

So come on ladies & gents, let's keep Chris and others' stress levels down, and let 'em know that they don't have to looks anymore for sponsors.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: StinkyPete on December 27, 2020, 07:13:46 PM
We're happy to pay a few bucks extra, if it avoids the stress of rounding up sponsors.    The most important thing is that we can all get together after a challenging 2020.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: West Aussie Glen on December 27, 2020, 07:43:19 PM
Happy to pay $10 extra as well as not to have a polyester shirt, mine are all in a bag waiting for the borders to go down and I give them to Bodo Glimt the next time I pass through Adelaide.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: PC on December 27, 2020, 07:44:58 PM
No problem with cost here
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on December 27, 2020, 07:50:54 PM
... as well as not to have a polyester shirt ...

Yeah, I'll +1 on that, I prefer cotton or cotton blend, crew neck T-shirts.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on December 28, 2020, 04:43:07 AM
I quite like the current shirts (ie, those used for Wooli, Mackay and Port Sorell).
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: StinkyPete on December 28, 2020, 05:49:19 AM
The only time I've worn the shirts is at the Rally, so I'd support a decision for no NatRally shirts.   However I do accept that many people like them.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Sicman on December 28, 2020, 07:40:23 AM
The shirts make for good pub wear, going to outdoor shows  :thumb etc The other thing to think about is they are a good advertisement for this great club. The more shirts we have out there, the more enquiries we get about OzSToc and the more members we get, the more friends we meet at RTE's and Nat Rally's  ;-*.

Just wearing a shirt, cap etc can mean we keep this place going for a good while to come  :clap :thumbs
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on December 28, 2020, 07:54:23 AM
The shirts make for good pub wear, going to outdoor shows  :thumb etc The other thing to think about is they are a good advertisement for this great club. The more shirts we have out there, the more enquiries we get about OzSToc and the more members we get, the more friends we meet at RTE's and Nat Rally's  ;-*.

Just wearing a shirt, cap etc can mean we keep this place going for a good while to come  :clap :thumbs

I always wear my black Ozstoc shirt to RTE's but almost always wear rally shirts to pubs and other lunches.  It certainly gets more questions than my BodÝ/Glimt shirt does.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Shiney on December 28, 2020, 08:51:41 AM
I'm another one that has no issue with paying extra :thumbsup

As for shirts I personally prefer the the older style T-shirts, I find them more useful for everyday use :thumb


Cheers
Shiney
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 28, 2020, 09:44:28 AM
I'd much rather poly/cotton polo shirts with a pocket, bit more dressy than a T shirt plus the pocket is handy for my phone...  :grin

While I know many like them, I'd never wear the current shirts that I've seen from previous Nat Rallies...
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: West Aussie Glen on December 28, 2020, 10:23:56 AM
I have added Pete and Liz, who attended the Rally in Tassie as well as a coupe of earlier rallys. So 35 todate.
Those going so far:

Stroppy
TipTo
BodÝ
Nigel
West Aussie Glen + Theresa
Bloodman + Alison
Wild Rose + Robyn
StinkyPete + Chris
Shillas
JD + Chippy
PC + Navgirl
Biggles & Mrs Biggles
Joso
Shiney + Carrol
WendyL + Brookester
Sulkybear
Marcus
Ppopeye and Chris
Phil.S
Michael
Phil.W (with the Harley outfit)
Rod
Cerebral Knievel
petertmclaren and Liz
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on January 03, 2021, 01:43:58 PM
Sadly in light of current events I made the decision to withdraw from this event, and shall turn my attention to Tumby Bay.  That said, I would still be interested in a rally pack.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on January 03, 2021, 02:34:20 PM
Sadly in light of current events I made the decision to withdraw from this event, and shall turn my attention to Tumby Bay.  That said, I would still be interested in a rally pack.

I'm a little more confident re. NatRally proceeding, and I have until 5 March to cancel my Big4 booking and not receive a refund.  So I will make a decision in around two months.

My travel buddy, Phil, may be pulling out (depends when he relocates to Tassie), so I may be looking for someone with whom to share my cabin.  I'll start another thread on that subject.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: johnnyYTED on January 03, 2021, 10:51:50 PM
 :Spyder :dred11

The shirts make for good pub wear, going to outdoor shows  :thumb etc  are a good advertisement for this great club. The more shirts we have out there, the more enquiries we get about OzSToc and the more members we get, the more friends we meet at RTE's and Nat Rally's  ;-*.
Just wearing a shirt, cap etc can mean we keep this place going for a good while to come  :clap :thumbs
I do wear my shirts out, mostly the Tshirt. I also mention OzSTOC the official club on all the other ST1300/ST1100 Facebook pages that have been created.
Iím proud to be part of this club. 
Put me down for the rally please. I would like to see a rally pack but donít need to get it pronto at the event. 
I will happily throw in the balance needed and have JYTED & a small yellow Daytona  :Spyder on the sleeve or Chest, but really an ST should be on the chest. I want to see OzSTOC prosper and happy to provide financial support to see us continue. Iím not doing this for my own vanity if thatís how ppl read this either!OzSTOC has giving so much to me these last 7 yrs(?)  in every state of our Cuntry.
I will be heading to Mudgee in the Sprinter towing BEEstY  and if my plans come together will continue on the road on a permanent basis travelling the country. I want to finish the only sections of Hwy 1 on the north west coast Darwin to Perth and Perth to Ravensthorpe then everywhere and anywhere. My home is wherever I roam. My home has become untenable so I am giving it back, it has caused me enough grief and itís impacting my health  :OldMan
I also say thanks to all our  1st responders for what must be a very stressful time caring for people. My own health may require your service. So Thank you.
Iíll go LQQk for the registration page and pay my dues. 
Happy New Year to everyone and I hope the current border restrictions are lifted before the rally. I hope everyoneís year ahead is full of adventures that create memories to help diminish those made in 2020.
 :Spyder
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Jdbiker on January 04, 2021, 07:30:14 PM
Only 2 months to go  :runyay.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: StinkyPete on January 11, 2021, 07:13:52 AM
Unfortunately Chris and I will not be attending Mudgee 2021.    With Covid-19 still active and popping up from time to time, the risk of a border closure or travel bans could catch us out and leave us stranded interstate and unable to cross back into SA.   Such a delay would impose a heavy financial burden due to the need to get accomodation for an uncertain time until borders opened again.    While this year may be better than last, interstate travel in 2021 is still riddled with uncertainties.

We are looking forward to being able to travel interstate without concerns, and once this thing is back in the bag, I expect to bob up all over the place at some RTEs. 
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Jdbiker on January 11, 2021, 07:20:37 AM
 :'(
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Jdbiker on January 11, 2021, 07:27:14 AM
Still hope to make it if borders are open. Probably only get there late afternoon on the 13th.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: johnnyYTED on January 11, 2021, 07:35:56 AM
 :Spyder
Unfortunately Chris and I will not be attending Mudgee 2021.   
We are looking forward to being able to travel interstate without concerns, and once this thing is back in the bag, I expect to bob up all over the place at some RTEs.
Whilst you will be missed by many Pete and Chris, it is totally understandable. Life has too many uncertainties atm and health concerns are on top of many of our minds. Borders have helped in containment of this insidious covid strain.
I l👀k forward to when Ďitís in the bagí and we can all safely come and go across the country. Stay safe guys and see you on the road somewhere in the future
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: johnnyYTED on January 11, 2021, 07:39:13 AM

 :Spyder
Still hope to make it if borders are open. Probably only get there late afternoon on the 13th.
🤞with any luck the borders will open.  JD
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on January 11, 2021, 07:56:18 AM
Sadly in light of current events I made the decision to withdraw from this event, and shall turn my attention to Tumby Bay.  That said, I would still be interested in a rally pack.

Unfortunately Chris and I will not be attending Mudgee 2021.    With Covid-19 still active and popping up from time to time, the risk of a border closure or travel bans could catch us out and leave us stranded interstate and unable to cross back into SA.   Such a delay would impose a heavy financial burden due to the need to get accomodation for an uncertain time until borders opened again.    While this year may be better than last, interstate travel in 2021 is still riddled with uncertainties.

We are looking forward to being able to travel interstate without concerns, and once this thing is back in the bag, I expect to bob up all over the place at some RTEs.

Those going so far:

Stroppy
TipTo
BodÝ - as mentioned in above post
Nigel
West Aussie Glen + Theresa
Bloodman + Alison
Wild Rose + Robyn
StinkyPete + Chris - as mentioned in above post
Shillas
JD + Chippy
PC + Navgirl
Biggles & Mrs Biggles
Joso
Shiney + Carrol
WendyL + Brookester
Sulkybear
Marcus
Ppopeye and Chris
Phil.S
Michael
Phil.W (with the Harley outfit) - due to relocating to Tassie at this time
Rod
Cerebral Knievel
petertmclaren and Liz

Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Shillas on January 11, 2021, 09:42:19 AM
I'm out as well - too much uncertainty with travel.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: johnnyYTED on January 11, 2021, 09:44:56 AM
 :angry-old-man-smiley-emoticon :Spyder
:angry-old-man-smiley-emoticon
 
 :angry-old-man-smiley-emoticon
 :angry-old-man-smiley-emoticon :angry-old-man-smiley-emoticon
 So who decided that Iím not going Iíve booked a site for 5 days. WTF.

Those going so far:

Stroppy
TipTo
BodÝ - as mentioned in above post
Nigel
West Aussie Glen + Theresa
Bloodman + Alison
Wild Rose + Robyn
StinkyPete + Chris - as mentioned in above post
Shillas
JD + Chippy
PC + Navgirl
Biggles & Mrs Biggles
Joso
Shiney + Carrol
WendyL + Brookester
Sulkybear
Marcus
Ppopeye and Chris
Phil.S
Michael
Phil.W (with the Harley outfit) - due to relocating to Tassie at this time
Rod
Cerebral Knievel
petertmclaren and Liz
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Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Nigel on January 11, 2021, 12:19:53 PM
Totally agree Pete. Much safer all round to stay in our home state for the time being. :thumbs
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Marcus on January 11, 2021, 02:04:06 PM
I'm on the fence at the moment, Vic opened up borders to regional NSW, but who knows how long for? I'll decide closer to the time
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on January 11, 2021, 02:29:20 PM
I'm on the fence at the moment, Vic opened up borders to regional NSW, but who knows how long for? I'll decide closer to the time

Same here, Iíll make a decision in around six or seven weeks.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: ST2UP on January 11, 2021, 08:00:12 PM
Evening everyone,

I put a PM to the NatRally organizers and forum moderation team as a listening post and we have made the unanimous choice to Cancel National Rally. We are proposing to keep the dates available for a overnight RTE for those who wish to attend.

I will explain further when not submitting this on my iPhone bouncing around in the back of a work vehicle.

Regards

Chris
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Cerebral Knievel on January 11, 2021, 08:07:15 PM
Fair call  :thumb
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Marcus on January 11, 2021, 08:15:56 PM
Yeah. Good call. It's a tough decision but the safest for a everyone. No one wants to get trapped.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Wild Rose on January 11, 2021, 08:17:23 PM
Thanks Chris
Robyn & I were only talking today about cancelling
I better go cancel accommodation
Good call for everyone
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Williamson on January 11, 2021, 08:38:54 PM
So who decided that Iím not going Iíve booked a site for 5 days. WTF.

No one (that I can see), and certainly not me, mentioned or decided that you were not going.  I, and others, have done our best to update the attendance list (which from above posts is now a moot point anyway).  If I forgot to add someone, and I'm not the only one, stiff cheddar, but don't get angry at me.

You're a big boy Johnny, so you can add or delete your own name.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: johnnyYTED on January 11, 2021, 09:59:24 PM
 :Spyder
Thanks Chris for the update, Iíll cancel my site booking tomorrow.
Williamson I wasnít keeping the list updated but I did post up I was going and had booked, I wasnít having a go at you personally. The list had been updated twice after my post and I just replied to the one you updated last. Iím not a big boy, I m a small man but youíre bigger.  :nahnah :butt :spank
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: StinkyPete on January 12, 2021, 06:49:13 AM
The need to cancell Mudgee NatRally for 2021, while understandable, is disapointing for those who planned on attending.  They are wonderful gatherings to be part of, and a great chance to meet up with old friends and new.   I certainly miss seeing my interstate friends, and the last "over the border"  RTE (and ride) that I went on was nearly a year ago.

Our OzSTOC management group need to make tough decisions from time to time, and they continue to have my full support.
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: johnnyYTED on January 12, 2021, 09:59:39 AM
 :Spyder
Today I changed my booking at Mudgee Big4 to just the Saturday night so if the date is marked for an O/n RTE. I hope other NSW/ACT members come along for a smaller gathering in support of the Big4 park. 
As Stinky Pete said I also fully support our  management group for all the hard work they do in keeping us viable. Thanks guys
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Gerard & Sandra on January 12, 2021, 12:52:10 PM
Chris
Thanks for the heads up.
Rgds
GB
Title: Re: Mudgee Overnight RTE 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: ppopeye on January 12, 2021, 07:58:33 PM
Very sad but understandable decision. This will make it easy for some considering pulling out and not knowing what to do.
I have a Victorian trip that was a clash with the rally so now I don't have to squeeze in both trips.
Not that I am happy about it but it makes it simpler.


Look forward to hearing when the next one is scheduled. Hopefully to be unaffected by cover restrictions and uncertainties.
Title: Re: Mudgee Overnight RTE 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: West Aussie Glen on January 12, 2021, 08:34:59 PM
Sad, but it wasn't looking good for West Aussies being able to go home without 14 days of isolation.
Title: Re: Mudgee Overnight RTE 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: STraya on January 13, 2021, 01:49:38 PM
A big Ďthank youí to the Mudgee NR team. We are in such unpredictable times that the decision to cancel was really the only option.  But all the work you girls & guys have put in during 2020 & 2021 hasnít gone unnoticed!!  Jenny and I have been hanging back from registering and watching the ever-changing border-closure landscape and weighing up the risk of being stuck if Annastacia closed the Qld border again.   Thanks again NR Committee; weíll no doubt all be able to get together one day.    Cheers,  Dave
Title: Re: Mudgee Overnight RTE 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: STroppy on January 16, 2021, 06:28:44 PM
Tipto and I are still going, as long as he can get out of and back into Victoria!
Title: Re: Mudgee Overnight RTE 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Cerebral Knievel on January 16, 2021, 07:34:35 PM
Can i suggest locking this thread and starting a new dedicated one for the overnighter to make it easier to keep track of who is and isn't going.

I am OUT, so feel free to strike my name off the list  :CB--
Title: Re: National Rally Mudgee 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: BodÝ on January 16, 2021, 07:37:16 PM
Easily done.  I'll take Shillas's off too.

Quote
Those going so far:

Stroppy
TipTo
BodÝ - as mentioned in above post
Nigel
West Aussie Glen + Theresa
Bloodman + Alison
Wild Rose + Robyn
StinkyPete + Chris - as mentioned in above post
Shillas
JD + Chippy
PC + Navgirl
Biggles & Mrs Biggles
Joso
Shiney + Carrol
WendyL + Brookester
Sulkybear
Marcus
Ppopeye and Chris
Phil.S
Michael
Phil.W (with the Harley outfit) - due to relocating to Tassie at this time
Rod
Cerebral Knievel
petertmclaren and Liz
Title: Re: Mudgee Overnight RTE 12-13-14 March 2021
Post by: Brock on January 16, 2021, 08:21:57 PM
Topic is locked.

Refer to Mudgee Overnighter

http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=14341.0 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=14341.0)