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Rear Suspension and Spring Preload
« on: March 23, 2013, 01:03:33 PM »
Gents, this is going to sound like a remarkably dumb question but can someone explain to me the difference between Rebound Damping and Spring Preload, please. I'm 6ft 3" tall and weigh in at some 120Kgs, and I want to set up the bike for me to ride it a little more comfortably but I am finding difficulty understanding the best way to do this with the two controls in question (I told you I'm an Electronics Engineer!!). It seems to react quite roughly to bumps etc in the road and I am wondering whether this might be because the bike is not adjusted properly for my weight and height. So come on all you mechanical types help me out here, please.
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Re: Rear Suspension and Spring Preload
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2013, 01:50:25 PM »
The preload changes the level at which the spring sags with weight applied. If you sit on the bike and the spring/shock bottoms out, add more preload.

The rebound controls how fast the shock reacts to road conditions. If the bike seems to act like a pogo stick increase (or is that decrease) the rebound until the ride is comfortable. I think turning towards - is softer, and + is harder(ie shock reacts faster).
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Re: Rear Suspension and Spring Preload
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2013, 02:04:22 PM »
I found this on one of the overseas sites a while ago. I haven't read it for a while but hope it is useful.

Rear Shock Tuning
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The first thing to do after you install your new shock is to set the ride height. This is accomplished by adjusting the preload on the spring. You will need a helper to take measurements while you do this. First, with the bike on the center stand, measure the distance from the rear axle to some fixed point on the frame. Next sit on the bike and while balancing as well as you can have your assistant measure again from the axle to the same fixed point on the frame. Subtract the first measurement from the second one. If the difference, called sag, is more than about 1.5" dial in more spring preload until your sag measurement is between 1.25 and 1.5 inches. Once you have the preload correctly adjusted, start riding the bike to get an idea where to go with the damping adjustments. These adjustments are much more subjective than the preload and you will have to ride the bike under a variety of conditions to get an all around idea of which way to go. Compression damping controls how quickly the shock can be compressed when the wheel encounters a bump. Note the bike's behavior on sharp-edged bumps such as broken pavement and patched pot holes. If it seems to bottom too easily, add more compression damping. Go back over the same piece of road so that you can compare. If the rear end feels too harsh and you get the sense that the suspension isn't moving very much, try backing off the compression damping. My personal preference is to use as little compression damping as possible while still preventing excessive bottoming. Rebound damping controls how fast the shock can extend after being compressed. Again observe the bike's behavior under a variety of road surfaces, throw in a few twisty roads as well. Try to sense the behavior of the rear end after traversing rolling bumps as opposed to the sharp edged ones described above. What you are looking for is rises and dips that create a large amount of suspension travel. Try to determine if the rear end settles quickly or does it bounce a couple times? If you sense any "floating" or "bouncyness" increase the rebound damping. This may come across as a wallow or weave in fast cornering. If you dial in too much rebound damping the shock may not be able to extend from one bump in time to handle the next one. In the case of several closely spaced bumps the rear end can actually pump down. Check this by running over a railroad track (or some other series of closely spaced bumps) a few times at different speeds. I have a perfect spot not far from my house where there are two tracks in parallel. If after traversing a series of closely spaced bumps you have a sense that the rear gets lower after each bump or if the last bump in the series feels much harsher than the first you may have too much rebound dialed in. Back it off and try again. You won't be able to set it up all in one day, more likely you will gradually dial it in over a period of several weeks. It's strictly a trial and error process but when you get it dialed to your satisfaction, you'll know it. Keep notes so that you don't end up going in circles and remember as a general rule, if you increase your spring preload, such as when loading the bike up or carrying a passenger (remember you should try to maintain that 1.25 - 1.5" sag between unloaded and fully loaded) you should also increase the rebound to control the additional preload. Hope this helps.
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Re: Rear Suspension and Spring Preload
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2013, 02:45:27 PM »
Jesus, Glen, that's as clear as mud! I was looking for a simple do this - get this effect type comment, what I got was War and Peace!  >:() I think I'm more confused now that I was an hour ago!

I much prefer Brock's approach, much clearer!!

Nevertheless Thank you gentlemen! I will have a play and see what it does to affect my ride.
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Re: Rear Suspension and Spring Preload
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2013, 03:35:00 PM »
The set up we are still running on our return from Middelton is as follows for the 1300.....We weight combined in our gear at 180kg....our stuff is at about est 35kg....that's both panniers, Topbox and Tankbag.

We run the "big knob" on the left of the bike at full right and backed off 2 clicks......and the little screw on the right at full Right turn and back 1/2 turn.....works for our riding style.

The "Bigger Knob" in the centre of the bike runs at a different setting again !!!  :o

That the simple version......

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Re: Rear Suspension and Spring Preload
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2013, 03:43:37 PM »
Brilliant

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...now I'm impressed!! 
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Re: Rear Suspension and Spring Preload
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2013, 05:10:35 PM »
I worked ours out like this:-
With preload at normal factory setting I take off panniers and measure distance between top of tyre and bottom of wheel arch in centre of tyre ( I used a hard bit of plastic that just fitted in the space)
Next place white liquid paper mark to top centre of pre load wheel.
Then place pillion and gear onto bike except right pannier.
Next wind preload wheel to the right while counting the number of full turns the white mark takes to get a space on top of the tyre where your piece of plastic fits back between the tyre and wheel arch. ( Mine takes 5 turns ).

When I have gear and a pillion on the back I now just simply turn the wheel 5 turns to get the right setting for that weight and when I go back to riding single I just turn it back to the left 5 turns for the original setting.

Keeps it simple that way  :thumb

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