I'm more interested in the motivation to ask the question ....
I think the motivation is quite clear (IMHO).
Saabie has the club and its members at heart and does not want to see the club or its office bearers get into legal or financial trouble.
Very, very clever Spanner, I see what you did there
It looks like it, feels like it, smells like it and there's a history of it.... must be something else!
I'm with ST2UP re the flag. If we didn't organise it, leave the flag in the bag. That aside though, proposing that getting it out to take a group photo at any place where Oztocers gather for whatever reason might legally or otherwise constitute anything other than just getting the flag out for a picture... blimey what a stretch! I'd like to see someone try to fly that in a court as "supporting" something. Like playing a Barnsey anthem at a Reclaim Australia Rally!
It's fantastic to see other OzStocers at FarRides, but if one of us does the wrong thing on the way there or the way home who can someone sue? Not Ozstoc, Not FarRiders, they aren't an entity either. Not the IBA, who'd take on legal action in the States? How about any person who was negligent or breaking a law that as a result caused the injury (broad definition here)? They could have the same remedies available to them as one of us if we were injured by someone else when we are riding to a FarRide, OStoc RTE or doing an IBA ride.
On that point, as I understand it "fatigue" offences only relate to trucks. I apologise now for my cynicism (too many years in the cops I guess), but it seems a very unusual thing to "allude" or "question" that if something that is not an offence and might be in some way be determined to have contributed to an event that it might expose a third party or organisation to litigation. Whew, that's a big hypothetical wheelbarrow!
A much more useful, balanced and general question might have been. "If someone going to or from any OzStoc event, or any event where the ozstoc flag was shown, was found to have committed an offence (speeding, neg drive, dangerous riding, manslaughter) and injured someone along the way could OzStoc be liable. We know the answer is "No". But that question doesn't provide the author an opportunity to push a cart that's actually irrelevant when considering the potential liability of Ozstoc in a range of circumstances.
I also trust that our "leaders/facilitators" aren't so bone-headed they'd take up their voluntary positions and leave themselves exposed to litigation. I've met them, they don't seem to be and their responses here certainly back this up.
Now I have a really quick question. Can this post please be taken out of the Long Distance Riding Proper Preparation and Riding Tips area of the forum? It has nothing to do with the topic and does not belong with
helpful threads such as "How to tie a swag on", "Group FarRide Advice" and "LD riding in hot weather". I wouldn't stick it with the Off Topic, Off Colour .... stuff" There's already plenty of content in there that might get Streak prosecuted under various laws.
Maybe it belongs in the General Discussion or the trash but the latter would be a shame, it would mean the last five minutes of my life have been wasted. Although they may have been anyway.
Now I've expressed my opinion here a bit and I've only really asked one question. The rest were rhetorical, so I only want the answer to the last one OK.
