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Forward Looking Infra_Red camera system
« on: October 05, 2013, 11:01:43 PM »
Forward Looking Infra-Red Camera

My research started here with HardTxRider aka Tim Masterson http://hardtxrider.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/the-flir-pathfindir-project.html
He has also done a follow up here http://hardtxrider.blogspot.com.au/2012/12/using-flir-while-riding.html

Tim Masterson, In my opinion is the guru regarding this piece of equipment and when you read his blog you will understand my reasoning.

Some time ago on one of my rides I was unlucky enough to have a roo strike, what scared me about this the most, was that it happened just as a road train and I were about cross during the night.  The roo came out from the side and I just caught it in my peripheral vision to the left then being partially blinded by the truck lights.  My result was that I gunned the bike ran over the roo, the handlebars went madly side to side for x number of meters and my sphincter valve near dropped out.

There were two choices for me, stop riding at night or find some method of countering not only the blindness with a vehicle passing at night but being a bit better forewarned of critters that may be on the road on near to it.  The second choice was the only one I could accept, so the research began the result is what you see in the links above.

The FLIR camera is reportedly the same one that is used on the yank tanks? 

I mounted mine on the right side on the above mirror mount along with the LED light.  The bracket is strong enough for both. The screen I used was a 5” waterproof monitor that could also have another camera connected to it (not that I used this feature).  The monitor is mounted on the shelf above the dash in the central position.

This equipment takes a bit of getting used to, it is suggested that a bit of practice will help in utilizing it effectively.  I found that by using it as you would use your side mirrors was best in general terms. So as I came to the beginning of a straight stretch or a bend I would glance at the monitor for the tell-tale bright white marking of a heat signature then back to the road. The heat signature really does stand out, I found myself coming around a bend seeing a heap of white signatures on the screen and believe that I had come across a herd of cattle, it turned out to be ant nests!!!

One of the good things about the heat signature is that if the heat is in the bushes or hidden by undergrowth you will still see the heat signature, same goes for it if raining or in fog.  What sort of distances are the heat signatures visible, please see the comments in Tim’s blog.  I did find that on a number of occasions I saw the animals in the lights before checking the monitor so that when I glanced down I was able to notice other heat signatures around as well allow good time to slow down.

One of the better uses I found with this equipment was when passing oncoming vehicles, remember I mentioned above of my incident with a roo and oncoming vehicle, well with a bit of practice I was able to maintain my eyes on the road and oncoming vehicle through the monitor, I was no longer blinded by the lights!!!

I spoke in other posts regarding fatigue management and how I felt that this equipment would assist, well as we all know LDRiding is such an individual sport, so is the equipment that we utilise.  I will normally use a fluro vest during night riding, I use roo whistles, I put extra forward, rear and side lighting on my bike, I use a bike that has a windscreen and fairing, all because it suits my type of riding style.  All of these things allow me to participate in my riding with at least, a belief, that they are helping, which in turn, removes some of the stress that would be there without these items.  I am sure we have all read how stress adds to our fatigue, so to me it makes sense to minimise it the best way we can.  The use of a FLIR camera may not suit you but it has assisted me. 

The use of the FLIR camera gave me enough confidence to ride at the speed limit during the night, that is, if it was 80Kph I would ride at that speed, if it was 100Kph I would ride at that speed or a little less depending on the conditions, if it was 130Kph I would ride at 100Kph or a little less, what I am saying is that I would normally have travelled at around 75/80Kph at night, all this of course depending on the road conditions at the time. Now I have been able to increase the speed accordingly.  There are a great number of riders out there who are comfortable enough and do ride at that speed without the use of a FLIR camera but for me without it I would be back at the slower speeds.

I will keep using the FLIR camera but will purchase a 7” monitor as I found, at times, the heat signatures were quiet small and I may have missed or misinterpreted some of them.  I also believe that with some more practise I will get better at using the system.  I am still not fully comfortable with it.

This system was utilized on my recent 9 day run Around the Boundary of the Big Paddock which had a fair bit of night riding.

These notes are my experience only.  The use of a FLIR camera on your motorcycle is your choice and I will not be held responsible for your decision to use or not use such a system as described above.
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Re: Forward Looking Infra_Red camera system
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2013, 11:19:00 PM »
Great to see some hands on Aussie experiences with such systems  :thumb  If your chosen sport can use the most recent tools available to minimise the risks involved, I say go for it.

Makes you wonder where things are going with heads up displays etc etc as such a system could be integrated into such a system (eventually) that might even give warnings during the day (I was recently in the car in a Canberra suburb and two roos were keen to go across the road near midday - I picked them and jammed on the brakes but the car behind seemed to be oblivious about anything going on more than in front of their car)

I would ask that this topic not be treated as a debate about distance riding - it is not for everyone, not all can or should do it, but all can learn from some tricks of the trade for normal riding if you want to extend yourself when needed.  TJ has kindly written of his experiences so those who don't know where to look in other more dedicated forums can read, so it should be treated as such.
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Re: Forward Looking Infra_Red camera system
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2013, 04:02:13 AM »
Very good write up TJ. I don't do a lot of night riding but can see the huge advantage
of using a infra-red camera for night riding 
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Re: Forward Looking Infra_Red camera system
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2013, 06:21:44 AM »
Great read thanks Trev......anything that increases your safety gets my vote  :thumbsup


So does the bitumen road way appear as a heat source for a few hours after the sun goes down with the stored heat from the day ???


Can see the spare channel into the monitor being great for the in-flight movies  :nahnah



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Re: Forward Looking Infra_Red camera system
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2013, 07:32:51 AM »
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I could probably use it for a rear facing camera to see those "demon birds" coming  :fp

Interestingly the road stays visible all night


Great read thanks Trev......anything that increases your safety gets my vote  :thumbsup


So does the bitumen road way appear as a heat source for a few hours after the sun goes down with the stored heat from the day ???


Can see the spare channel into the monitor being great for the in-flight movies  :nahnah



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Re: Forward Looking Infra_Red camera system
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2013, 07:57:20 AM »
a new pdf file has been posted up on one of the other forum.  It shows an updated version of the camera
http://www.flir.com/uploadedfiles/cs_emea/application_stories/media/downloads/motorcycle_en.pdf
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Re: Forward Looking Infra_Red camera system
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2013, 10:02:09 AM »
The infra red forward looking camera has been used on NSW Ambulances In the areas around Bathurst and orange for a few years now to help identify skippys on the road when it may be dark and foggy.
They obviously dont think we get those conditions out here as we didnt get a go at them.
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Re: Forward Looking Infra_Red camera system
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2013, 11:17:51 AM »
I remember a great many years ago whilst still in the RAF in Britain being sent to a Research Institute to collect the latest IR camera to fit it into the helicopter I worked on so we could evaluate it for the designers. The unit was about 1m x 1m x 2m, so it certainly wasn't small by any stretch of the imagination, and it was heavy and sat on a tripod mounted out the side door of the helicopter. To make it work required it to be filled with liquid Nitrogen which was phenomenally dangerous to pour from a flask into the top of the unit, all at about face level whilst hanging out the cabin door flying across the ground at 1000 feet --- at night!!. Trust me I concentrated VERY HARD!!!

However the results were fantastic!! I could see things in a way that I had never seen them before and are far too complex to describe in the short term, however one thing I certainly do remember is seeing a very bright, but quite small area of less that 3 feet diameter beside the road from well over 2,500 feet away and 1,000 feet off the ground . It was so bright that I wanted to find out what it was, so I got the pilot to circle the sight getting closer and closer. He could not see anything as we were well outside town and it was very late night and incredibly dark outside. I eventually got him to land on the road and I got out to see exactly what it was I had spotted from so far away. Turned out to be horse-sh*t dumped out of a horse trailer a while previously and covered in straw. Not pleasant I can promise you but from a technical view point, remembering that this was in the early 1970's, being able to see it was phenomenal!!!

I also remember watching an aircraft land and put it's brakes on to slow down on the runway. The heat from the brake-pads was like looking at the Sun!! they were so bright!!

Now they do the same thing with little sets which are so small and battery powered and very cheap, and can be fitted to your bike while you ride at night!!!!

Fantastic!!!
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Re: Forward Looking Infra_Red camera system
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2013, 12:26:21 PM »
Great background account, Whizz.  Shows how far miniaturisation has come.  It's good to be reminded of the stages of development before we take all we have for granted.
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Re: Forward Looking Infra_Red camera system
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2013, 12:35:38 PM »
Where did you get the camera TJ,

The ones I saw were $2500.00 , just a bit rich for my blood..
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