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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2013, 07:32:21 PM »
Hey Brian, I've spent enough time analysing what happened, so maybe that's not a bad idea. Not sure if it will be riveting reading, but nonetheless, some might find it interesting.

I didn't get a call from the assessor today, and I couldn't get in contact late this afternoon, so I'll chase this up first thing in the morning. Thanks again to all those kind offers for help, and hopefully tomorrow I'll find out if I'm wasting my time to try and reclaim some of my accessories that I think I'm entitled to,

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2013, 07:55:07 PM »
Hi Brian, I don't know if it would make the top reading list, as it was such a simple happening, yet I've been over and over it in my head pulling all aspects of it apart, and analysing it

over and over. So maybe for my own sanity and if anyone else is bored, I can jot this down. I know that I've never counted myself someone who has learn and knows it all, but the little

things that I have learnt from this incident are just amazing.

Just to set the scene and bring everyone up to speed on my trip so far that day:

I had a few hour on Thursday and Friday off to travel to Newcastle and have DMME install an MC Cruise and a Starcom Digital to my ST. I left Orange around 13:00, and the wind was extremely

gusty with rain showers most of the way to the top of Kurrajong. My usual shortcut from Kurrajong to Hornsby was the way to go today, as I was getting towards the busy part of the day. I

usually cut out Richmond by turning off at Kurmond and travelling through Freemans Reach to Windsor, then turn off Windsor Rd at Box Hill, head off to Dural, and up to Hornsby the back way

through Galston Gorge. Probably shorter shortcuts, but I like the ride even though it had been a few years.

Stopped in Lithgow for fuel, and put my wet weather pants and gloves on. For the second time this week, I've been caught out riding over the mountains with summer gear on and winter weather

on top of that. 4deg in Lithgow, and I was only slightly wet thanks to the great ST weather protection. Did I mention the wind? It was pretty much as bad as I'd ridden in to the point were

the bike was leaning right on Left hand sweepers, and I was worried that the gusts were going to push adhesion limits, since the angles and side pressure was so un-usual.

Going down Bellbird Hill, the weather had cleared considerably, and by Freemans Reach, I stopped and removed my wet weather pants and gloves. It had been raining there, as there were some

wet patches on the road, but I don't think that the rain extended to where I fell off. It was also a lot warmer, and I don't know if everyone reading this is the same as me, but after

riding through some treacherous weather and tricky road conditions (leaf litter blowing everywhere) I was feeling pretty good about the ride so far, and even more now enjoying the warmer

dryer weather down Windsor way. Over the mountains the tyre pressures had only risen 1 PSI in the cold, but now both were reading 46PSI, which is about right in those ambient temps. I

didn't check the tyre temps, but they would have been around 38 degrees, based on the current ambient temp.

I got out towards Annangrove Road, and took the last left turn on Windsor Rd before Annangrove Rd, knowing that this road led to Annangrove Rd, to continue on towards Dural. I was behind a

Blue Mazda 3 for a couple of K's down this road, and had been giving myself a large buffer space between us. About a km prior to the "T" intersection, a few cars had given way on our left,

and had joined behind us on Edwards Rd. They were also giving themselves plenty of distance behind me. Upon approaching a Give Way sign, I had been thinking that there was a small round-

about somewhere here, just prior to the "T" intersection on Annangrove Rd. The Blue Mazda in front of me had slowed and started to proceed through the give way sign, and I had slowed as

well, but checked over my right shoulder for traffic to give way to. At that point, I think I realised that this was in fact Annangrove Rd, as I had to turn my head much further to the

right than I thought. There was a car probably 100 or so metres back, and at that time, I think I started to break as I turned back to look in front. Then:-

SHIT, It's Stopped, lock everything up, throw it down hard.

Bike hit the road and I hit the road shortly after. I went left, bike right and can remember kicking at it with my feet. I hit the back bumper with my body not quite parallel to the bumper,

head on the back wheel, sliding on my side and the big impact was on my left side chest, great pain just to left of spine, just below shoulder blades. Bike had hit on RHS of car rear, but I

didn't know that at the time. When I stopped, my head was still near the LHS rear wheel of the Mazda, but my body had spun around about 110deg from the cars back bumper. I was largely on my

back, but with the severe back pain, I went through a first aid check list in my mind, and in particular, location of pain and limb numbness. I could feel all limbs, pain in the upper LHS

chest, LHS middle back, but nothing else major of note. I did have a strong smell of fuel, but I could not feel any through my hands or legs. I was severely winded, and no doubt in some

shock, mainly at the thought of actually crashing in such a simple setting.

I was aware of someone asking me if I was alright, but I had trouble hearing them as my phone was still playing music through my BT headset; Crosby Still and Nash, "Wasted on the Way",

which gave me a bit of a laugh! I tried to signal that I was OK. I also tried to turn off my headset with my right hand, but the first aid Nazi's (to their credit) stopped me. More than one

person was there at that point, although I didn't have a great view of how many - probably 4 or so. I told someone that my BT Headset on the LHS of my helmet was still playing music I

turned my head to show them the BT headset. I told them to pull it up, then pull the cable out. They did this and now I could hear everything. I think they thought my head might fall off I

then tried to flip my helmet face up, and they again stopped me, until I pointed out that my face shield rotated up.

It was only then that I had effective two way communication flowing, and my first communications at this point was where was the fuel in relation to myself and them, as I did not want them

to place themselves in danger if they were standing in it, and if I was lying in it, I was going to move myself out of it if they didn't. It turns out that the fuel spill was off to the

right, and I assumed that any run-off was over the other side of the road camber. The concerns that they had about my neck and spine lessened as I assured them that I could feel all limbs

perfectly well, and I could move all joints as well. Georgette, the lady that I had hit, was very upset as she was the one who called 000 when I didn't respond to her call of "are you

alright".

The paramedics arrived and went through the process of checking everything and putting me on a backboard. I warned them of my weight, so they grabbed a couple of coppers and fireys and

managed to *just* lift me onto the stretcher. No one suffered any permanent injuries, but a few of them had to strain. I yelled my thanks out to everyone there as I was loaded into the

ambulance, and I think that was when they gave me some painkillers to enable me to remove my jacket, with their assistance.

After that, a 15 min ride to Blacktown ED, a couple of X-rays and scans, and was then transferred to Westmead ED at 01:00 on Friday.

Since then, I have boiled it down to this:-

*I was slightly confused as to which intersection I was stopping at, until I realised that the "T" was much more like a "Y" with me being at the upper right of the Y travelling to the

intersection.

* I assumed that the Mazda had moved off through the intersection, but it may simply have been moving forward for a better look back over it's right shoulder for traffic to give way to.

* As I looked to my right, I had to turn my head far further than I expected as the road to the right wasn't 90deg to me but more like 45deg (that's when I worked out it was Annangrove Rd). I probably spent twice as much time in looking because of this, which gave me less time when I looked back.

* By the time I looked back up, perhaps .5 of a second had passed, I had washed off some speed (doing about 30 - 40Kmph) but the car was far too close for me to be able to pull up.

* If I didn't lock everything up and hit the road, I was going over the bars and over the car. Broken bones?. Would ABS help? A bit, but I still would have hit it at speed and upright.

* No time to avoid car so choice was to slow as much as possible, or deck it. In the time I had, I chose to lock everything and hit it low. I've never wanted to see if over the bars on a big tourer would break legs.

In the emergency services, they teach you that disasters occur when a number of conditions that would not normally be cause for concern "line up". Swiss cheese. Each of these things above were small problems in themselves, each one less than the sum of the total, but unfortunately for me, I made a number of small mistakes at the same time that caused an impact on a lot of people around me.

It was my mistake(s) and I will probably, and rightly so, get a neg driving conviction, but if this is what I need to tighten up on my concentration and decision making processes when riding, I'm all the better for it.

If I had a pillion at the time, would I have ridden differently? Maybe
Would the result have been worse? Absolutely!
What if I was in the Landcruiser, would I have driven differently? Maybe
Would the result have been worse? Absolutely; 4 kids might have been without their Mum that night.

Hope that's worth reading, as it was worth writing it down for my sake!

regards

Andrew
 

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2013, 09:30:48 PM »
Wow, what a conspiracy of events and conditions to first of all land u in that frightening accident with all the possible serious consequences, but also the fact that u came out of it with only a written-off bike but not a  written-off body. The poor woman got a hell of a fright and must have been hugely relieved to see that all your protective gear, and I know u r 1 who wears the right gear, diminished what could have been so much worse.


Also, I'm not a safety instructor but I think u reacted well and the question whether an ABS bike would have been of any benefit under those conditions is a valid question. M8, this was a dangerous incident and u have every right to let your emotions go a bit and thank destiny for being kind. But it seems 2 me that your protective gear and the way u reacted and controlled the slide saved u from far worse injuries.


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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2013, 09:52:56 PM »
An analysis well written.  The Riding Instructors discourage, even condemn, any talk of "laying the bike down" but I think it was the best reaction in your case (if I interpreted "hit it low" correctly).  If a trip over the handlebars head first onto the Mazda was the alternative then yours appears to be the best choice.
One thing about cable intercoms vs bluetooth- you can remove the sound by simply pulling the plug (if it hasn't already pulled out when you depart the bike).
Here's hoping you get a fair outcome from those who decide the bike's future.

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2013, 06:54:09 AM »
An analysis well written.  The Riding Instructors discourage, even condemn, any talk of "laying the bike down" but I think it was the best reaction in your case (if I interpreted "hit it low" correctly).  If a trip over the handlebars head first onto the Mazda was the alternative then yours appears to be the best choice.
One thing about cable intercoms vs bluetooth- you can remove the sound by simply pulling the plug (if it hasn't already pulled out when you depart the bike).
Here's hoping you get a fair outcome from those who decide the bike's future.

Hi Biggles,

I understand them condemning laying the bike down, and to be honest, my decision was how hard do it throw the anchors out, which was an easy one. As soon as I say how close it was, I knew I was going to hit it low as I was about to throw everything at washing off speed and getting off the bike at the same time. I've tried contacting the copper in charge at the scene in the last few days to ask what people behind me might have observed, as I don't think the lady I hit saw it coming at all. I'm certainly not downplaying the safety features of ABS either, as I could also argue that I might have simply been able to pull up straight, but most likely, I probably would have washed off 10 -20 KMPH and hit it high.

Many years ago prior to any ABS, I can vividly recall a situation where a car pulled out in front of me, and I had to revert to "manual ABS", where I threw out the anchors, locked the front to the point where it got a few deg off vertical, then locked it again as it straightened. I did actually get to discuss this situation with the driver, who took off, as I didn't hit him, but the interesting thing for me was seeing the skid marks I left. This was on my Yamaha TX650A, about 3 metres of straight skid with about half a metre veering off to the right, then another metre about a metre after that in line with the first skid mark. What's this got to do with anything, well maybe nothing, but in this situation, I didn't lowside into the car, but pulled up straight after first locking then unlocking the front brake. Rear Brake? I possibly got use of it on the 2nd application. Aside from the many differences between the bikes, the biggest variation was that I saw the car pull out and had more warning.

On this occasion last week, the dice hit lowside, and I hit a relatively soft impact absorbing area on a car. If I'd stayed upright, maybe it might have been like in the cartoons, were I'd fold in half around the bars, then slide down completely un-injured....but I don't think so!
 

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2013, 04:16:46 PM »
Had a few phone calls from InsureMyRide today, and the cheque is in the mail. It seems that I did have some accessories included as an additional $ value, so to tidy things up and give myself some time, I also bought the wreck. I probably paid a bit more than I expected, but when I start to look at the shere number of bits that I got from the states, and the time it took, it ended up worthwhile to buy it.

Last I spoke to Pickles this afternoon, and they can load it onto what I take down, be that a ute or a trailer, so I think I've got that covered either later this week or early next.

For all the offers of help I received, I thank each of you for your willingness to assist where possible. I should be OK now that I don't have to struggle with pulling it down on the floor at Pickles, but the knowledge that there were willing hands waiting to assist helped me greatly.

Just an update as to my new ride; at the risk of the cheque still being in the mail, I am procuring a bike that is pretty well known amongst OZSTOC'ers . Ex DownUnder, Ex Robert's '08 will be adorning my shed shortly, along with FrankenWreck, my current 03 donor bike. Tony, Robert just traded his Ninja in on a Caponord today, so time will tell how he gets on with a single latino bike as compared to two Japanese mistresses!

My young bloke is really looking forward to going over the whole wreck, cataloguing the good, the bad and the ugly. Once this is done, and I have identified any duplicate spares that I might have, I'll advertise what I don't plan to keep, but only to club members,

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2013, 04:34:47 PM »
Good to see Tony's bike still around. I was sorely tempted at the time to get it, so lucky I didn't as it would have been well used by the time I finished  :grin
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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2013, 04:46:27 PM »
I'm sure, John! I think Robert only did a couple of thousand k's, but those few thousand opened his eyes up to what comfort, smoothness and handling is all about. My gain. Just wondering, how many bikes might have changed hands between forum members? I'm sure that there's been a few where new members came into the fold after buying from a club member. There'd have to be more than a few though?
 

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2013, 08:26:43 PM »
Picked up the wreck today from Pickles in Milperra. The young blokes that were there told me that they were allowed to use the gantry crane, as the ST was the hardest bike to move there. Loaded it in the trailer no worries and unloaded tonight with no trouble as well.

It seems that the bike slid on it LHS into the back of the car, with the first bit to hit being the handlebars. Fuel tank coved in from the top, RHS triple clamp broken off, steering head snapped off, and the entire handle bar/top tree detached. What I summise is that the bike impacted the car on it's LHS, handlebars first, which caved the tank in more on the rhs, then snapped the rhs triple clamp off, then the steering head, with the LHS fork leg then simply popping out of the triple clamp due to the force of the snapping steering stem.

Damage is mainly around the top dash and handlebar area, and I wouldn't mind betting that the frame is OK, but that is irrelevant as it is a stat write off.

There is little damage other than this. Exhaust are all OK, as are the panniers (gotta love those MCL tipover bars!). Front guard has a small scratch, and the lower LHS cowl is scraped. Once I got the steering stem stuck back up the steering head, bike rolled around OK. Missing the LHS inspection cover, and other than this and the fairing deflector for that part, I will be able to reinstall the fairing and mirror deflectors with some new trim tape.

LHS mirror smashed, and cover probably stuffed, but RHS mirror OK (cover previously stuffed)

All up, most parts outside of what I've mentioned should be OK. I'm hoping the electric screen mechanism is ok, but I will have to remove it to check.

The bike is an 03 1300, Ambassador Red, so watch this space for future spares!

Thanks again for the wonderful offers of help I received,

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2013, 07:10:21 AM »
Well Andrew, I am very pleased that you are ok.  The sharing of your story is appreciated and even better that you can actually share it. 
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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2013, 08:45:27 AM »
Just an update as to my new ride; at the risk of the cheque still being in the mail, I am procuring a bike that is pretty well known amongst OZSTOC'ers . Ex DownUnder, Ex Robert's '08 will be adorning my shed shortly, along with FrankenWreck, my current 03 donor bike. Tony, Robert just traded his Ninja in on a Caponord today, so time will tell how he gets on with a single latino bike as compared to two Japanese mistresses!

G'day Andrew,

I'm confident you'll get years of faithful service out of her mate. 

I keep hearing a lot of good things about the Caponord.  I know they've been selling well at Bikebiz, Parramatta and they get good reviews.  It might turn out to be the perfect compromise for Robert.  I'd be interested to hear how he gets along with it.

When you get your bike and self sorted we'll have to get a ride going in the new year.

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2013, 03:31:15 PM »
Hi TJ. I was just looking at the paint code on the new ex-tony, ex-bob st1300 and it's Archilles Black. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is your 1300 that colour as well? Now that I've totalled the red one, I can come clean and say I like the Archilles Black the most of all the colours, so it looks like all 4 of us have good taste in colour, even if 3 of us had the same bike. I too am glad that I am around to tell the story. Just looking at the damage to the tank, and how much fuel that spilled on impact, it could have easily been a fireball.

Tony, I'm absolutely sure that this bike will still still be running beautifully after many KM and years have passed!

I do look forward to the new year so a ride is definitely on the cards down your way. Probably not too far, as it took me 35 years to run my ribs in before... maybe Kandos Buds and Bikes?

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2013, 03:56:33 PM »
Does Archilles Black have the gold fleck through it? Some think that is the best one, not the silver fleck or straight black  :Stirpot
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