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Farkles, Gear & Accessories => Lights and Lighting => Topic started by: ST2UP on August 20, 2013, 04:04:22 PM
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Have been looking around for DRL's to mount on the forks off the reflector mount for some time, but nothing just quiet fitted the bill......
These on paper seam to tick the boxes I set for myself :thumbs
http://www.thirdgear.com.au/product_images/m/244/001__62822_zoom.jpg (http://www.thirdgear.com.au/product_images/m/244/001__62822_zoom.jpg)
$65 delivered......made from Billet Aluminium and are 10W LED, 7.5cm Dia and 7cm deep.....will do a report after trial
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:popcorn :beer
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Been looking at DRL's myself. They look good......I wonder how many lumens they produce? Been looking at these on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Fog-LED-light-dual-sport-atv-custom-touring-sport-cruiser-driving-day-/321172001580?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac757d32c (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Fog-LED-light-dual-sport-atv-custom-touring-sport-cruiser-driving-day-/321172001580?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac757d32c)
I like the light spread with these but not much info on how intense they are. Looking forward to your ride report.
Cheers,
Tony
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Been looking at DRL's myself. They look good......I wonder how many lumens they produce? Been looking at these on ebay:
[url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Fog-LED-light-dual-sport-atv-custom-touring-sport-cruiser-driving-day-/321172001580?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac757d32c[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Fog-LED-light-dual-sport-atv-custom-touring-sport-cruiser-driving-day-/321172001580?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac757d32c[/url])
I like the light spread with these but not much info on how intense they are. Looking forward to your ride report.
Do the LEDs really protrude like they appear to in the photo? If so, they would be very vulnerable to damage on any vehicle.
I think they need to be mounted inside a casing behind a clear screen (glass or tough plastic).
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I am a little confused in these matters. :fp Day time running lights must be less than 25 watts power and switched with headlights according to the ADR's. Fog lights are more powerful than this i am told which are illegal in WA unless used in Fog only. So the boffins here :-++ with a lot more knowledge than me can explain how LED and similar lights fit in and what max power we must look for like 5 watt cree etc I will now hand it over :grin
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Been looking at DRL's myself. They look good......I wonder how many lumens they produce? Been looking at these on ebay:
[url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Fog-LED-light-dual-sport-atv-custom-touring-sport-cruiser-driving-day-/321172001580?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac757d32c[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Fog-LED-light-dual-sport-atv-custom-touring-sport-cruiser-driving-day-/321172001580?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac757d32c[/url])
I like the light spread with these but not much info on how intense they are. Looking forward to your ride report.
Do the LEDs really protrude like they appear to in the photo? If so, they would be very vulnerable to damage on any vehicle.
I think they need to be mounted inside a casing behind a clear screen (glass or tough plastic).
I'm glad your on the ball Biggles. I should've had a good look with my glasses on! Yep, they definitely need a lens to protect them and keep the bugs out. My wife has a similar set in the smart bar of her vehicle, same design but with a clear lens over the top....they work really well. Thought they were a bit too cheap! :-[
Cheers,
Tony
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These are what I use as DRL's, on the 1100, fitted vertically to the top radiator mounting bolts on homemade brackets.
Plus a set of five above and a set below the headlight, you know its my coming down the road.
Leethal also has them and are under the blinker covers.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/A-Pair-of-Super-Bright-Powerful-Car-Illumination-3LED-White-Attractive-DRL-Light-/400554907850?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d42eed8ca (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/A-Pair-of-Super-Bright-Powerful-Car-Illumination-3LED-White-Attractive-DRL-Light-/400554907850?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d42eed8ca)
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Well here they are fitted up.....wiring next days off....
Seam well made for the price :thumbsup
The 3rd Pic is taken with just 1 light powered up in the shed this afternoon, and these are DRL's ???
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/ST2UP/f00014562d36cd8d5676d153f98721d8_zps0b556e5c.jpg)
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/ST2UP/aab757713172afb693d52af3d504a797_zpse612e233.jpg)
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/ST2UP/4eadc84aba29df695dfdd4a3de3bac0a_zpsf4ebcfa6.jpg)
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Wombat,
When the rules talk of watts in lights, they are talking about incandescent bulbs. LEDs are different, it can take fewer watts with them to produce more light/lumens..
As for the rules about driving with fogs on, seems no-one takes any notice of them. Look at the number who drive with them on all the time, and those bloody annoying extra bright red lights on the rear.
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Yeh Daytime Running lights my A$$......I have always been under the impression that as a very ruff guide that 1 lux off light was about equal to enough light to read a newspaper by.....well with 1 off these DRL's on I could still read with comfort a news paper at 65 mtrs........this from a light which is designed for ppl to see you.....not for you to see.
First Pic low beam only with Narva plus 50% 4200k H4 bulbs
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/ST2UP/7995283c4b25070a741044cc87ed65e4_zpsba941a83.jpg)
This pic still low beam with 1 DRL....running off a half flat old car battery I took out of Pockey's car 3 months ago.....DAM !!! Remember this is a Daytime running light not a driving light of any sort. Going to need to turn them down some what..... :thumbsup. That bus in the second Pic is 70 mtrs away.
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/ST2UP/bd92f6e1867474175ea2c0908cbe1eb3_zps643d4b46.jpg)
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FWIW, driving with the fog lights on in clear weather in Qld is a $40 fine. However I think it must be very low on the Police list of priorities to penalise, since every second vehicle that has them fitted seems to have them on. I'm with Brock regarding that wretched bright rear fog light when you are behind one of the doofus at night. The worst offenders are the boy racers who need to presence themselves on the road aurally as well as visually.
I very much doubt you could be booked for having them on a bike when you look at the wide variety of LED DRLs on production cars now.
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Same with foggies here in NSW, not to be used in good visibility.....even our work vehicles have DRL's that come on with the ignition .......they only turn off when you turn the headlights on, no other switch.
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I've got a BA mkII ford Falcon Turbo Ute with inbuilt fog lights. The following is only specific to this model car.
When if I drive with the fog lights on and the car enters cool or cold air the hot glass of the fog light cracks or alternatively if your running with the fogs on and hit a shower of rain the outside glass will crack.
Since I stopped running with the fog lights off I've only cracked one light in the last 7 or 8 years and that was a stone. The first 2 years I had the car I went through around 4 lights till I worked out what was happening.
So the moral of my story is I drive with the fog lights off unless I need them.
Sab
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The pictures above show the light in relative darkness, how bright do the LED's look when facing them in normal daylight. In other words would they be too bright in the daytime for on coming motorists? Would they be any brighter than any other DRL's you see about. I mainly ride in the daytime.
Cheers
Geoff.
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Geoff I think they will standout in day light without being offensive to on coming traffic.....may even consider putting a dimmer on them so I can use them in conjuction with low beam at night.....turn them out for sides of the roadway and a little beyond......I think without the dimmer they may be ofensive at night. The manufacture states the can also be used as a fog lights, but I beleive they would not be suitable.....they are 6000K colour rating, far to white for a fog light......somthing in then 2850 K would be far more suitable for fog/rain etc.
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When if I drive with the fog lights on and the car enters cool or cold air the hot glass of the fog light cracks
Sab
Blows that theory out of the water cause you dont get cold air up there :grin
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When if I drive with the fog lights on and the car enters cool or cold air the hot glass of the fog light cracks
Sab
Blows that theory out of the water cause you dont get cold air up there :grin
Yep, but I do visit you snow bears down south from time to time.......
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Going by ADR 76/00 & ECE Reg No.87 it appears you could away with a DRL light intensity of between 700 to 1200 lumens. If I've found the right conversion calculator 6000 k is about 2400 lumens.
It might be okay in bright daylight but I'd be concerned about them being a bit too bright on overcast days or in low light conditions close to dawn or dusk. I know I'd forget to turn them off. Dimmer switches seem cheap enough, a light sensing dimmer would be even better.
Cheers,
Tony
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Thanks for the feedback Tony...... :beer
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I think i am going to put this out there for the westies. The great light challenge. Anyone interested in a night or evening cruize culminating in a light off of different types of DRLs and spotties.
And Brock the cars with the blue lights in the back are more irritating than most
:wht11
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Ohhhh a challenge......who has the biggest !!! Lights...... :nahnah
When I was riding a lot of a night time on Mountain bikes I made a 12 volt bike light out of bits and pieces from a "D" Maglight head, powered by a 12V 2amp/hr batt.....could put 2 batts in a water bottle holder that got in a 3hr ride.......cast a usable beam 70 meters up the road and 15 meters wide that had cars flashing their lights until I got the adjustment right. Smashed everyone else in the group that could throw alight 10 meters. We used to get the kids off to bed and hit the bike about 9pm in summer home about 11pm......great time to be riding quiet country roads and tracks.
Cheers
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Thanks for the feedback Tony...... :beer
No worries Chris. At least you've got the DRL's on the ambulance to compare them to for brightness. Let me know how they go as I wouldn't mind purchasing a set of these lights for myself.
Cheers,
Tony
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Had a change of plan on these lights as DRL's......whilst the billet housing of the light was fine the LED and PCB was ??
So enter plan B........http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2PCS-10W-CREE-LED-WORK-LIGHT-760LM-MODULAR-FLOOD-LAMP-12V-24V-4WD-IP68-ROUND-/261144582895?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ccd6e1aef&_uhb=1 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2PCS-10W-CREE-LED-WORK-LIGHT-760LM-MODULAR-FLOOD-LAMP-12V-24V-4WD-IP68-ROUND-/261144582895?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ccd6e1aef&_uhb=1)
10watt LED 760 Lumens at 6000k, stainless mounting hardware. Smaller than the previous lights, pics up as time off to night time assess permits........will still play with a dimmer, but happy with initial testing.
(http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q717/ST2UP/b43a9dac6a0ebc5c50f70c24fe365644_zps06549ac2.jpg)
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So now for a report on the above lights. We used these over last weekend as part of a 1600 k ride with a night time section also covered.
The lights are mounted on the forks and are vibration free and solid, they are wired via a relay and switch with the active from the accessories at the fuse box.
Using them as DRL's is proving positive with the lights +- 25% brighter than the factory low beam with 65/55 Phillips crystal vision bulbs at 4200K.
We also used these at night on the open road by turning them out and down to cover the tabledrain, adds about 5 metres width to either side of the low beam and out to the same cut off distance along the roadway as the existing low beam, motorist don't appear offended by the lights as we were never flashed by an oncoming vehicle during day or night. In addition to extra vigilance and a decrease in speed during the night section the extra side lighting made a difference to our feeling a little safer on the road.
These in combo with the HID Euro/Spot Driving lights made for a more comfortable night riding experience.
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You've convinced me Chris.
I'm not sure I need DRLs with the good headlights, but having a bit more light on low beam has very real appeal. And that supplier is very reliable. Besides, I'm a sucker for free postage even if it obviously has to have been priced into the item.
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Here is a good current deal on DRLs if you are considering installing a pair....
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2X-ROUND-10W-CREE-LED-WORK-LIGHT-800lm-FLOOD-LAMP-12V-24V-Boat-ATV-BikeAU-SHIP-/121429717139?hash=item1c45c67093 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2X-ROUND-10W-CREE-LED-WORK-LIGHT-800lm-FLOOD-LAMP-12V-24V-Boat-ATV-BikeAU-SHIP-/121429717139?hash=item1c45c67093)
Same as Shiney ordered and fit. He did a great "How To" pictorial here...
http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=7647.msg87843#msg87843 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=7647.msg87843#msg87843)
Thanks mate. :thumb
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Here is a good current deal on DRLs if you are considering installing a pair....
[url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2X-ROUND-10W-CREE-LED-WORK-LIGHT-800lm-FLOOD-LAMP-12V-24V-Boat-ATV-BikeAU-SHIP-/121429717139?hash=item1c45c67093[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2X-ROUND-10W-CREE-LED-WORK-LIGHT-800lm-FLOOD-LAMP-12V-24V-Boat-ATV-BikeAU-SHIP-/121429717139?hash=item1c45c67093[/url])
Same as Shiney ordered and fit. He did a great "How To" pictorial here...
[url]http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=7647.msg87843#msg87843[/url] ([url]http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=7647.msg87843#msg87843[/url])
Thanks mate. :thumb
Just bought me a set :grin
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I'll probably grab a set too. I may wire mine slightly differently Wendy though. I might be able to nip into the tail light, ignition, or marker light circuit and earth the other wire for a simpler setup - unless there is something glaringly wrong with this... anyone? :think1
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Just be careful with your DRL's as under ADR's they must turn off when the headlight is turned on except when the headlight is being used as a flashing signal (modulated headlight maybe???). It's one or the other but not both. That's how it applies to cars but not sure on bikes.
DRL's can't exceed 25watts either.
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What is the point of having extra marker lights then that aid drivers to better calculate your relative distance and closing velocity? !!!
Cheers, Diesel
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What is the point of having extra marker lights then that aid drivers to better calculate your relative distance and closing velocity? !!!
Cheers, Diesel
Don't know Diesel, but for myself I don't seem to have to many issues with not being seen. Today I did ( 3rd time in nine years) but the driver didn't even look when she made the turn so no amount of lighting would have made a difference in that case. After she made the turn she must have seen me in her mirror as she made sure I couldn't catch up to her for a friendly chat.
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Diesel,
I wouldnt run them off the tail light wiring, but use the tail or any switched circuit activate a relay, and power the light from the battery (through a fuse of course).
These arent really DRLs, so that rule doesnt apply. Just call the aux lighting. Most coppers that I have spoken to, say that for bikes, more vis the better.
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Simple wiring for DRL's
40amp (overkill) but cheap relay mounted under the nose cone off a 10mm windscreen bolt.
4mm twin core flex from Pos/Neg of the battery with positive fused at the battery.
Positive to 30
Negative to 85
Positive of Lights to 87 and negative earthed to 10mm bolt that relay mounts
Low beam from rear of headlight to 86
If you also want a switch to turn DRL's off then inline between low beam and 86.
I had the same 10 watt LED's as DRL's but have since changed to another DRL option ;-*
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These arent really DRLs, so that rule doesnt apply. Just call the aux lighting. Most coppers that I have spoken to, say that for bikes, more vis the better.
I dug a bit further with the DRL thing and motorcycles. There was a proposal to get the law changed re the colour of DRLs as it is only a white light at the moment. Prior to that yellow (amber) and white were allowed and some cars used a higher wattage globe in the front indicators. The proposal was to change the law re motorcycles so that the front indicators could be used as DRLs. The rescinded compulsory lights on laws a few years back was probably an early attempt at DRLs for motorcycles which may or may not worked have as intended.
As Brock points out, these aren't actually DRLs but they could warrant some attention via an unknowing over enthusiastic law enforcer.
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Just be careful with your DRL's as under ADR's they must turn off when the headlight is turned on
Thought that too, however on a number of new cars that doesn't happen. Our DRL's stay on 24 x 7.
A.
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Here is a good current deal on DRLs if you are considering installing a pair....
[url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2X-ROUND-10W-CREE-LED-WORK-LIGHT-800lm-FLOOD-LAMP-12V-24V-Boat-ATV-BikeAU-SHIP-/121429717139?hash=item1c45c67093[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2X-ROUND-10W-CREE-LED-WORK-LIGHT-800lm-FLOOD-LAMP-12V-24V-Boat-ATV-BikeAU-SHIP-/121429717139?hash=item1c45c67093[/url])
Same as Shiney ordered and fit. He did a great "How To" pictorial here...
[url]http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=7647.msg87843#msg87843[/url] ([url]http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=7647.msg87843#msg87843[/url])
Thanks mate. :thumb
Just bought me a set :grin
And they arrived yesterday. I can't go riding this weekend due to being on call, so might have a play around and see if I can install them myself :think1
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Lol - mine arrived today. :hatwave
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Lol - mine arrived today. :hatwave
Are you on holidays or something? Suddenly we see you all over the internet! :grin
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..... Suddenly we see you ...
And that my friend - is what it is all about. ;-*
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It is interesting to note, that on Page 43 of this document, there is a discussion of DRLs for bikes!
https://rsc.wa.gov.au/Documents/Motorcyclists/motorcycle-strategic-directions-for-web.aspx (https://rsc.wa.gov.au/Documents/Motorcyclists/motorcycle-strategic-directions-for-web.aspx)
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The new spots wired up as DRL's set at 10% power via the intelligent controller.
These are plenty bright for night riding on low and just plain arctic daylight on full power 8)
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k633/greeneyedmonster1/drl.jpg~original)
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Wonderful. I hope you have a safe enjoyable trip.
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I just have to make a mental note that the chaterring i'm hearing isn't coming from the bike :fp
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Do the new lights diminish the visibility of your indicators from oncoming traffic?
Kind of like do the new lights produce additional light pollution that oncoming traffic will have trouble seeing your indicator on???
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Do the new lights diminish the visibility of your indicators from oncoming traffic?
Kind of like do the new lights produce additional light pollution that oncoming traffic will have trouble seeing your indicator on???
Hmmm, an additional relay each side so that, like the DRLs on Jeeps and Chryslers, the DRL on the indicator side turns off while the indicator is going.
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My duel indicator bulbs switch of driving lights when indicators are used .
Just upgraded the wheel lights they are a lot brighter
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Ohh Ohh Mr STimpy......I thought you where getting Erica's ?? Or is their some camera trickery going on their ?? Erica's are 60watt LED (6x10 LED's per light) the pic has 5 :popcorn
I will go out on a limb and say......before you head off on your trip and if you haven't already, go for a night ride with the Erica's. It widely accepted that they are still to much light even on lowest setting for night time use on low beam and your going to get flashed a lot, and not by the local lovelies either :nahnah
Gather you used the Clearwater harness ?? So no Off switch, just a dimmer :wink1
I just wired mine (Krista 2h without the Clearwater harness as conventional driving lights.....the Darlas take care of DRL/Low beam
They are gobsmackingly good lighting.....like the RDL seats, the pain of purchase price in these Super LED's is soon forgotten.
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They are LED rider LX5's ;-*
http://ledrider.com/shop/?model_number=LX5&manufacturer=17 (http://ledrider.com/shop/?model_number=LX5&manufacturer=17)
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They are wired through the intelligent controller at 10 %.
The clearwaters were insanely expensive....these were on special advertised on Stoc with the controller free.
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Ah....very good, thought my eyes were play tricks on me :nahnah
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Do the new lights diminish the visibility of your indicators from oncoming traffic?
Kind of like do the new lights produce additional light pollution that oncoming traffic will have trouble seeing your indicator on???
If they do diminish the indicators i probably won't notice much.
The amount of times they and the bike have been invisible at any distance makes me think i can't be seen by people with heads up their :butt anyway :rofl
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Gee, I thought you'd want you intention to turn across traffic to be clearly seen by vehicles that may enter your conflicting move.
Pays to be as safe as you can be....
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They are putting out 500 lumens below the indicators in DRL mode.
The amount of times every week that the large orange things are ignored or seen as a challenge leads me to believe that the new lights won't make a lick of difference to the behaviour of most people that fail to see 450kg of bike and rider anyway.
If anything the lights may even make me visible to alot more people.
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A couple of flashes of high beams before you indicate might get their attention.
But the old fellow couldn't see my bike with all the flouro, and he wasn't the only one. Constantly not seen in traffic on the bike. (And in the car)
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The lights look awesome mate, I look forward to hearing about how they go on you're trip :hatwave
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The lights look awesome mate, I look forward to hearing about how they go on you're trip :hatwave
Ditto!
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2 x 5000 lumens!
And a very good price (even converted to $Oz)
How much did they hit you for the freight?
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2 x 5000 lumens!
And a very good price (even converted to $Oz)
How much did they hit you for the freight?
The postage was USD58 Biggles.
The deal at the time included a Skene intelligent lighting controller worth US69.99
Even with the crappy exchange rate it was well worth it.
These lights deliver some very good bang for your buck :thumbsup