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Farkles, Gear & Accessories => Trailers & Towing => Topic started by: blackduck on June 10, 2014, 11:14:27 PM
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Ive had the urge to build a camper trailer for some time now
I figured id build my own due to the insane prices of whats on the market
add frieght to perth to the price of the trailer and have a stiff drink
its a simple little box design with a roof top tent
works well and about 1/5th the price
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Looks awesome :thumbs
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Awesome result.
What is the tent you have used as I have been looking at a Gordigear rooftop to put on my trailer, but that one looks a great size also?
Good work.
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Love your work :clap
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Nice job. ++
I wish I was that clever and had skills to do that type of project.
Has it been weighed? No brakes?
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Looks good :clap
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Nice job Blackduck. :thumbs
Can you post the all up mass when you've figured it out.
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Good plan blackduck.
I've got a brand new roof top tent in my garage waiting to do something similar. Except I was going to tow it behind a 4WD to avoid having to climb up on the roof of a Landcruiser.
If I can get a trailer light enough I should be able to follow your lead and tow it behind the bike as well.
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That's brilliant :-++ :-++ well done mate
:beer
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that is very impressive :thumb
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Looks very cosy indeed :thumbsup
Pockey :wink1
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Cheers for the positive feedback
The tent top was purchased from a local suspension mob here in WA (west coast suspensions) its pretty much standard size 2.4 x 1.2 m unfolded, at 1.2 m wide its about 100mm wider than the elite
big thing was the cost most tent tops i looked at were up around and over the 1K mark, this one i picked up for $660
its light duty but i dont plan on using it in winter
the box trailer is made from RHS and gal sheet, I took the easy way out and went for beam axle and leaf springs, not realising just how heavy a beam axle is Im toying with croping the axle and making it independent using polyair bags or bike shocks
I went unbraked after towing a mates elite behind his GTR, I wasnt thrilled with the feeling of it booting the bike up the bum every time you touch the brakes
so i just ride to the environment and slow down a tad sooner
it hit the weigh bridge at around the same as an elite about the 150kg mark with about 80kg carrying capacity
it tows ok behing the ST but you do know its there
i figure i can make another one lighter by downsizing the material and introducing gussets as strengtheners and re hashing the suspension
I kinda think i might have over engineered the first design
if i decide to flog this one off i might give it another go
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Thats a good price for the tent.
Mine cost over $2,000 a few years ago from ARB. Its probably the heavy variety.
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:thumbsup blackduck great job done there :think1 You have given me a few ideas for my trailer,
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Hi Blackduck,
That looks to be an interesting and quite a successful design.you have certainly put some thought into the construction.
I do hope that it is as successful and as useful as it looks.
Pls. keep us informed as to how it preforms for you.
Cheers , Winston66, Northampton
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Good report. I am planning to build similar but one question. What is the length of the axle to order. also what is the track width.
Thanks again
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Wombat
the tent top is 1200mm wide and so is the axle
I picked it up at Martins trailer parts in Oconnor
but its heavy, combine it with the springs and it weighs a tonne (or ton) figuratively speaking
my mod 2 would to be buy stub axles and make up a cantilever using 4wd bushes in rhs or pipe
use shocks from a decent size bike or polyair airbags the ones made for leaf sprung vehicles
most of the rest of the stuff you need can be got of evil bay for a dam site less than what i paid
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Thanks for the info. :thumbs Will look at different suspension options but at the moment the KISS principle is winning. :grin My idea is to have a basic chassis and bend Ali panels for the strength aspect. You will need to come along to coffee or RTE so we can all meet.
:wht11
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Here is a suspension option....
Should hold 300Kg
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/suspensio1.jpg)
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Hi guys,
Talk of axles etc. reminded me of what I was looking at when I was considering making a trailer. I quite liked the idea of torsion half axles like the ones on this webpage.
http://www.ucfamerica.com/flexhalf.html (http://www.ucfamerica.com/flexhalf.html)
It just seemed so simple and easy to engineer. Thes are also used under some of the classic industries trailers i have seen.
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There are some being flogged off on ebay as well.
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The torsion bar suspension that Classic use doesn't require shock absorbers to mounted as in Brocks picture.
They rely on the tyres with a lower air pressure of 12-15 psi depending on load.
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You can get them from Trailer Parts. When I had a look, they didnt have any that were short enough in the trosion block part. Not for my needs any way, so I made my own suspension system.
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http://www.satrailer.com.au/product_catalogue/independent_susp.htm (http://www.satrailer.com.au/product_catalogue/independent_susp.htm)
Flexitor is another option for lightweight suspension.
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Another problem I found with those, was the load rating was higher than I wanted. Couldnt get anything lower than 250Kg. May as well have had solid suspension, as it would be an overkill for a 300Kg rated trailer.
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Here is a suspension option....
Should hold 300Kg
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/Avtrician/The%20Bike%20Trailer/suspensio1.jpg[/url])
Thats exactly what im looking at although im tempted to go with the air bags for vertical load carrying
problem is its sitting there nice and shiny black
the minute i try and mod it ill have to re paint the whole thing
and not to sure what that does for the rego compliance
in my experience building this one the hardest part was getting it past roadworthy
especially when you consider the national standard differs in places from the WA one
I built mine to the national standard - bad move that !!!
thinking plan B is to sell this one and start again
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the national standard differs in places from the WA one
Not quite correct, The National Standard remains the same every where, though interpretations of the Standard may vary .
Miy trailer has been built to the Standard, after all it needs to be inspected before I can get it registered.
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Interpretation
thats the term i was looking for
VSB1 gives axle position relevant to body with a stipulation for tare ball weight (which is different for bike trailers)
my local inspection station (the guy who is essential to getting the piece of paper to register it with) wasnt having any of that crap
didnt matter what the ball weight was fact is the axle was 20mm to far forward
even though the trailer was balanced perfectly for 5% ball weight
he wanter me to rip the axle mounts off and move it rearwards
ended up putting a PVC pipe on the front of the body
and for an additional inspection fee he called that part of the body and passed it
thank god for capitalism :hatwave
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There is no way that I could get about 20Kg on the ball, as the chassis only weighs about 25Kg +(minus the wheels). I think the axle is in the right place length wise, and is towball heavy.
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So long as the axle center is greater than half way down the length of the body (not the trailer) youve got no problems
mine was a smidge forward of center and no matter what i said about ball mass he wpuldnt budge
hence the re work
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Blackduck was he referring to the ball weight or length behind the axle?
The length of trailer behind the axles must be no more than 60% of the distance between the ball and the centre of axle, or 3.5m, which ever is shorter. After this the ball weight consideration is due.
Unless this has changed without my knowledge.
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In 2009 at the Penrith Ulysses AGM I purchased a camper trailer very similar to Blackduck's project, and towed it behind a Honda 900 Hornet with very little trouble either uphill or down.
The trailer was all steel with a solid axle with leaf springs, and measured 5' X 3' X 1'. The tailgate swung outwards and was wide enough for me to mount a 2 burner gas stove.
All up it weighed 153 kg, with 15 kg on the ball.
The only disadvantage was the lack of a dressing room as you can see in the photos.
I had mounted a teensy gas bottle behind the left mudguard, with two 5 litre water bottles in front on both sides. I even went so far as to get a 30cm port-a-potty which just fitted.
(http://img.acianetmedia.com/i/5FH4l.jpg)
I also had an Esky mounted on the front between the tow ball and trailer. In the following photo, you can just make out the mount:
(http://img.acianetmedia.com/i/hrxdq.jpg)
The whole setup also included a flat canvas awning as you can see in the next pic:
(http://img.acianetmedia.com/i/F0H2Y.jpg)
There is one quite similar on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251592837394 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251592837394)
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Peter
ye olde 4wd lightweight side awning thingy
bunnings about $40
still have an open spot at the bottom which im filling in with a combined front wall / floor piece
anybody who wants to peek in the small opening and see me getting changed deserves everything they get :thumbsup
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anybody who wants to peek in the small opening and see me getting changed deserves everything they get :thumbsup
:grin :clap
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so now its built and ive used it a couple of times im going to strip it down and re model
its just high enough you dont get a good look out your mirrors
and i reckon i can shave a couple of kilos off
so mark two here we come
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so with a semi killer hangover on a bright sunday morning what better time to drag out the grinder and upset the neighbors
step one pull everything off (check)
step 2 cut 6" off the top of the box in such a way as you can rescue the top and glue it back on (check)
it feels lighter already
and that pounding noise in my head has been replaced by the sound of tortured metal
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Managed to get a tad done today
decided to go with independent suspension after some deliberation on beam axles and weight
found the cutest little shocks on evil bay
wasnt sure at first (the old buyer beware thing) but when they turned up i put my bulk on them and they hardly mooved
so its swing arms manufactured all i have to do is put it all on straight
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The swing arms are a bit heavier than necessary, but they wont break in a hurry.
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The swing arms are a bit heavier than necessary, but they wont break in a hurry.
theyre only made from 50x25x1.5 so they dont weigh much at all, compared to the 17kg beam axle
im thinking with this mod and re doing the draw bar i can chop 30kg of it
ill be happy with that :grin
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suspension mounted
ended up with a perpendicular mounted shock for better load transfer
makes the trailer ride a tad higher but some constructive tow frame work will overcome that
so far so good
its amazing just how light these things are
i rekon about 6kg per side with hubs on
better than the 17kg axle it replaced
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By the way Stu how are you going, you'll be taking orders soon :beer
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got the draw bar done finally
note the discrete fall away to marry to the back of the bike without compromising suspension travel
the square thing holds the esky
and theres even a little bit of room for a small gas bottle holder if need be
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She's coming along together nicely.
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:wht11 py
What is the overall length of this beast
looking good tho.
Tipsy
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:wht11 py
What is the overall length of this beast
looking good tho.
Tipsy
overall its 2.4 x 1.2 m
box is 1.2 x .85m
tent top is 1.2 x 1.2 folded and 1.2 x 2.4 expanded
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Its finally standing on its own 2 feet :rockon
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That's looking awesome blackduck, nice work.
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Figured out the stabilisers
went off the shelf for the free side - a tad heavy but versatile and will offer good support
for the bed end i had to get inventive
dont really trust fold out tents I guess the hinge is designed to work its just something about it just sitting there in space
the concept is, the extension comes out, the leg goes down and there is a stay to support the bed base
of course its upside down so youll have to stand on your head to view the pics
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I think I need to come down there and scatter some oil and sand around on that floor ....
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I think I need to come down there and scatter some oil and sand around on that floor ....
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oil and sand i dont need so much
but if you convince the dragon to stop parking her car in my workshop id be a happy man :thumbsup
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..........but if you convince the dragon to stop parking her car in my workshop id be a happy man :thumbsup
My car was banned from the shed ages ago.
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My shed won't fit a car :-( .... full of oil and sand :crackup
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the dragon is spring cleaning so im banned from the house
good for production
a bugger if you want to get lunch or a drink
support stands done and the tent thrown back on for the trial setup
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the light appears at the end of the tunnel
proving im a much better fabricator than painter i put on my NASPA hat (not a spray painters asshole) and proceeded to cover everything i own in a fine mist of gloss black
Today was spent bolting stuff on
only the tent top to go
I pinched the dragons bathroom scales and got a gestimation on weight - I reckon ill come out around the 120 ish mark
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That uni joint looks like it belongs on a Mack Truck!!!
It certainly wont break in a hurry..
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That uni joint looks like it belongs on a Mack Truck!!!
It certainly wont break in a hurry..
Yes
it is a tad large and a tad heavy at 7kg
but there is very little choice of swiveling hitches that are fully compliant for registration purposes
all the el cheapos off evil bay dont have the mandatory compliance stamps
but its a good strong hitch and rock solid, all the articulation is in the uni joint so you dont have to worry about tow balls
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What are you putting in the pvc pipe on the front? Poles?
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What are you putting in the pvc pipe on the front? Poles?
not sure yet
the idea was poles but it will hold 10 l of water nicely
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its just about all over bar the shouting
one or two tent based touch ups then its ready to trial in 2 weeks time
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Are you taking orders?
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Are you taking orders?
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do you want one made?
i can build just about anything you want for a small fee
lets say cost plus your first born :grin
unfortunately the camper top size is pretty standard but im sure we can minimise weight with some more creative design
I dont even know what it tows like yet
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Dragged it away for the weekend including about 30K of dirt road.
didnt go to bad and i think most of it will be sorting the weight distribution
got held up for a few weeks due to the dragon insisting we spend some time with the grand kids and one very drunken diving weekend in Dunsburough
but now its done - custom wind deflectors and all
final test run next weekend
bike, trailer, dragon the lot
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Stu that is a work of art, take a bow :thumbsup
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AWESOME :thumbsup :thumbs :clap
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Stu - that's brilliant! ... can I ask how much (approx.) she weighs?
Rob.
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Stu - that's brilliant! ... can I ask how much (approx.) she weighs?
Rob.
empty about 120kg
you know it there
but your not going fast enough to care
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OK just thinking while waiting for something to happen at my desk. :think1 Why is it ok to weld axles chassis trailer but not build a swivel hitch. The coupling I understand at a pinch :grin
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My understanding is that it depends on the material the.
The trailer hitch is made out of.
Most hitches appear to be of cast iron and not of a carbon steel construction.
Subsequently the cast type of hitch will have mounting bolt holes provided for fastening to a suitable base plate which should already be welded to the trailer draw bar
The pressed steel type of hitch will more readily accept welding to the draw bar, and I can sometimes be bolted. also.
To perform properly , cast iron needs a more specialty type of process and procedure to safely and adequately weld it satisfactorily.
Cheers, winson66
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Sorry I just read the question again, I did not answer it properly, My mistake,
I guess that the ADR's exist so that there is some uniformity in the construction standards for builders to confirm to.
It is most likely than some constructors could be lax in their building of things if there were not some pre ordained standards and then it would be quite possible that inferior and dangerous things would be used on the roads and the the general population could be exposed to some measure of un acceptable risk because of someones shonky work.
A trailer hitch has to essentially perform to a much higher level of stress during its operation and than might be required for a more simple type of welded joint that would be required in the construction of a simple chassis.
Just my 2c. worth.
Cheers , Winston66
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Not every one has the skills to do the welding in a high stress area properly. The regs mind you are aimed at trailers pulled behind cars/trucks, that carry a ton (tonne) or five. Trailers for use behind a bike werent thought about when the standards were written.
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and believe me during the roadworthy inspection they went over that hitch with a fine tooth comb
every stipulation and marking in the standard was checked
in fact he spent more time checking the hitch than the rest of the trailer
then he failed it and asked for another $60
I had to go for a great lump of a cast jobbie for rego
now its got plates I could throw any old evil bay junk on it
but i kinda like the solidness of it
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OK just thinking while waiting for something to happen at my desk. :think1 Why is it ok to weld axles chassis trailer but not build a swivel hitch. The coupling I understand at a pinch :grin
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Mine still has the original hitch that Classic put on it when it was built in 1988 and I guess with vehicle standards it meets the requirements in force (if any) at time of manufacture which still makes it legal. The tongue coupling is rated at 1 tonne for a 90kg trailer with a 200kg load rate.
see here http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=1144.msg10273#msg10273 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=1144.msg10273#msg10273)
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Thanks for all of the answers and I am still at the desk waiting :fp
The issue is or situation is build the trailer and weld a box section to the draw bar. have another box section with the coupling or hitch bolted or welded to that then link the two with a high tensile bolt and castellated nut as the swivel if that makes sense. It would only swivel in one direction or do I need to actually have a solid connection from draw bar to the hitch. That is no swivel.
This way I am still using a compliant hitch and I am welding everything else like axles, chassis etc.
Another idea as a safety solution is turn down a section of the bolt creating a groove and put a bolt in the square section or even a u bolt as a collar in unison with the nut to prevent the two from separating.
one for the brains trust :grin
Think I need a Bex and a good lie down
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Here is a link for you, they fit em to their trailers so they must comply
http://www.classicind.com.au/Parts/ (http://www.classicind.com.au/Parts/)
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Thanks for all of the answers and I am still at the desk waiting :fp
The issue is or situation is build the trailer and weld a box section to the draw bar. have another box section with the coupling or hitch bolted or welded to that then link the two with a high tensile bolt and castellated nut as the swivel if that makes sense. It would only swivel in one direction
The whole idea of the swivel hitch on a motorcycle trailer is to allow for the action of a motorcycle when cornering so the coupling must allow the bike to rotate in relation to the trailer when the bike leans L or R which also allows for the same action to occur on the trailer and not cause a bike to tip over if a wheel drops in a pot hole for example.
The vertical movement (e.g. up and down a drive way at gutter point) can be quite easily handled by the coupling on the ball like it does on a car etc.
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I knew I had seen one before. The link takes you to a seller on Ebay, apparently according to his blurb is certified for Australian Standards / use. Maybe he can be contacted for futer info.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Trailer-Coupling-with-Swivel-for-Road-trailer-50-mm-/371187161020?pt=AU_product_Trailer_Parts&hash=item566c7a97bc (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Trailer-Coupling-with-Swivel-for-Road-trailer-50-mm-/371187161020?pt=AU_product_Trailer_Parts&hash=item566c7a97bc)
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I knew I had seen one before. The link takes you to a seller on Ebay, apparently according to his blurb is certified for Australian Standards / use. Maybe he can be contacted for futer info.
[url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Trailer-Coupling-with-Swivel-for-Road-trailer-50-mm-/371187161020?pt=AU_product_Trailer_Parts&hash=item566c7a97bc[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Trailer-Coupling-with-Swivel-for-Road-trailer-50-mm-/371187161020?pt=AU_product_Trailer_Parts&hash=item566c7a97bc[/url])
I sent him a message asking about compliance IAW VSB1
the hitch doesnt comply, doesnt have all the necessary markings
At the end of the day the answer to your question Bill is in the hitch itself
if you get a pressed metal 50mm ball hitch that is compliant and attach it to a RHS swivel set up I cant see how they could knock you back
so long as the hitch has the markings of load and ADR
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http://www.openroadoutfitters.com/swivel-hitches (http://www.openroadoutfitters.com/swivel-hitches)
try this one with a pressed metal ball hitch
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Thanks for the replies and the swivels are what I was thinking. Sorry Alan I posted before I looked at your old postings. :fp
Stu do you still have the old axle from your trailer or did you cut it for the new suspension :grin
Regards Bill
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. Sorry Alan I posted before I looked at your old postings. :fp
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You get that.....the post was for reference when Winston was looking for ideas for his and I doubt if fitted as new today it would be legal though it does the job it was designed to do.
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Thanks for the replies and the swivels are what I was thinking. Sorry Alan I posted before I looked at your old postings. :fp
Stu do you still have the old axle from your trailer or did you cut it for the new suspension :grin
Regards Bill
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still got the axle and springs bill
i cant bring myself to cut machined steel
got the clamp plates and u bolts too aswell as the hangers
theyre yours if you want them
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Test no 2
wind deflectors worked a treat although need a tad of strengthening
rode alot more stable this time with 10 l of water counterbalancing the esky
although that pesky westerly wind let me know i was alive on a couple of occasions
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You had best ride it all over to NatRally 2014 in QLD so we can all admire your handy work :clap
:beer
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You had best ride it all over to NatRally 2014 in QLD so we can all admire your handy work :clap
:beer
Love to Chris
Ill send you my bosses phone number so you can convince him I need more time off work
then you can talk the dragon round that her holiday in new zealand is less important than the nat rally
and if you succeed ill bow at your feet :-++
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Very impressive indeed
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Very impressive indeed
Stu I have just sent a PM
I think we need to invite ourselves for a coffee one evening to inspect this marvelous machine :rockon then coast cruize maybe :runyay
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Wasn't there a Christmas party planned at Stu's house?
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Looks very good . . . Next the sleep/camping test?
Hope you made/kept all the templates so you can go into production of the OZSTOC Camper Trailer?
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Wasn't there a Christmas party planned at Stu's house?
there was but ive just run out of weekends
between diving and family the only free weekend ive got is the one before chrismas
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I was there last night but no-one else turned up :fp
Got a present for chrissie as well :runyay
Thanks for the hospitality Stu and nice toys you have :grin
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I was there last night but no-one else turned up :fp
Got a present for chrissie as well :runyay
Thanks for the hospitality Stu and nice toys you have :grin
:wht11
Still waiting for my invite.
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you guys are making me feel bad now >:()
will have to try and arrange somthing for the new year
might even have to get wet and stock up on crayfish for the event
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I like your thinking ..... :-)
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the project trailer has gone to a new home
had the opportunity to buy an elite cheaply so jumped at it
dont need two campers regardless of how tempting it may be
my build trailer can now be seen being dragged around by pezz's ST11
happy camping Pezz
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So far have only towed it home.
Will have pics soon.
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So now Pezzz has an ST roadtrain with 2 trailers
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So now Pezzz has an ST roadtrain with 2 trailers
Just need to attach a tow bar to the camper trailer to add the box trailer ......
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OK, got some time to add some pics.
Picked up from Blackduck last Sunday.
Got onto the Freeway, accelerated easily still up to 100, set the cruise control and from there barely felt it. Got some strange looks and a few thumbs up from other motorists :thumbsup
(http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac9/pezzz74/General%20Bike%20Pics/20150503_154035_zpsuhb72zx0.jpg) (http://s880.photobucket.com/user/pezzz74/media/General%20Bike%20Pics/20150503_154035_zpsuhb72zx0.jpg.html)
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(http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac9/pezzz74/General%20Bike%20Pics/20150508_165059_zpsggsjunta.jpg) (http://s880.photobucket.com/user/pezzz74/media/General%20Bike%20Pics/20150508_165059_zpsggsjunta.jpg.html)
(http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac9/pezzz74/General%20Bike%20Pics/20150508_165111_zps1pdusi8n.jpg) (http://s880.photobucket.com/user/pezzz74/media/General%20Bike%20Pics/20150508_165111_zps1pdusi8n.jpg.html)
(http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac9/pezzz74/General%20Bike%20Pics/20150508_165132_zpsjrvx1bqr.jpg) (http://s880.photobucket.com/user/pezzz74/media/General%20Bike%20Pics/20150508_165132_zpsjrvx1bqr.jpg.html)
(http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac9/pezzz74/General%20Bike%20Pics/20150508_173201_zpsf25bdnrh.jpg) (http://s880.photobucket.com/user/pezzz74/media/General%20Bike%20Pics/20150508_173201_zpsf25bdnrh.jpg.html)
Thanks again Stu,
Enjoy your new toy as well .....
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Looks like a great setup ++
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I've got the green tent and the ladder.
All I need is a trailer to go under.
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:hatwave WOW: :beer
Hi Lionel.
Give me a call,
I have a
spare Trailer
Cheers ,Winston66,
Northampton , Western Australia
:rd13 :wht13 :OldMan :runyay ++
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So we finally got away for a shake down run
all 3 new trailer owners out for a spot of camping
I took my new elite
and pezz brought my project trailer
the concept was to pack up to be self sufficient
I thought i did well
but couldnt compete with some of the stuff pezz got into his
I mean a toilet tent really he didnt bring the flushing toilet this time round but im sure hes got one somewhere
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I will get my photos together and pop something up soon.
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These are all this pics I have. Was waiting for tapatalk to be fixed to upload as too slack to upload to pc then mess around with photo bucket.
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(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/61954dc9b8ea96da28cb07cca8d847f6.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/63682de0adf6bea19f76a4a4b583c1a3.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/a3e3894f943a2ed733e00eb8f5ae80bb.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/27e6dc0f05df6f9deb292d035c9e2f8f.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/347893d3e6b4b5acc57fd4fc93e421a4.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/d13a991f38bc0c3e88f07c0b9bf0b9a7.jpg)
Then i found this mob a few hundred kms up the road ....
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/e818004c482cb54577936a3125d522dd.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/bf1f35a7a0e0c2b037339eaea34827a0.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/07/201766219867aa5ceec1ddcd7ba96dd1.jpg)