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Daytime Running Lights
« on: August 20, 2013, 04:04:22 PM »
Have been looking around for DRL's to mount on the forks off the reflector mount for some time, but nothing just quiet fitted the bill......

These on paper seam to tick the boxes I set for myself  :thumbs


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$65 delivered......made from Billet Aluminium and are 10W LED, 7.5cm Dia and 7cm deep.....will do a report after trial
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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2013, 04:19:50 PM »
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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2013, 08:53:21 AM »

Been looking at DRL's myself.  They look good......I wonder how many lumens they produce?  Been looking at these on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Fog-LED-light-dual-sport-atv-custom-touring-sport-cruiser-driving-day-/321172001580?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac757d32c

I like the light spread with these but not much info on how intense they are.  Looking forward to your ride report.

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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2013, 11:14:17 AM »

Been looking at DRL's myself.  They look good......I wonder how many lumens they produce?  Been looking at these on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Fog-LED-light-dual-sport-atv-custom-touring-sport-cruiser-driving-day-/321172001580?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac757d32c

I like the light spread with these but not much info on how intense they are.  Looking forward to your ride report.



Do the LEDs really protrude like they appear to in the photo?  If so, they would be very vulnerable to damage on any vehicle.
I think they need to be mounted inside a casing behind a clear screen (glass or tough plastic).
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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2013, 12:18:08 PM »
I am a little confused in these matters.  :fp  Day time running lights must be less than 25 watts power and switched with headlights according to the ADR's. Fog lights are more powerful than this i am told which are illegal in WA unless used in Fog only. So the boffins here  :-++ with a lot more knowledge than me can explain how LED and similar lights fit in and what max power we must look for like 5 watt cree  etc I will now hand it over  :grin

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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2013, 12:44:04 PM »

Been looking at DRL's myself.  They look good......I wonder how many lumens they produce?  Been looking at these on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Fog-LED-light-dual-sport-atv-custom-touring-sport-cruiser-driving-day-/321172001580?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ac757d32c

I like the light spread with these but not much info on how intense they are.  Looking forward to your ride report.



Do the LEDs really protrude like they appear to in the photo?  If so, they would be very vulnerable to damage on any vehicle.
I think they need to be mounted inside a casing behind a clear screen (glass or tough plastic).


I'm glad your on the ball Biggles.  I should've had a good look with my glasses on!  Yep, they definitely need a lens to protect them and keep the bugs out.  My wife has a similar set in the smart bar of her vehicle, same design but with a clear lens over the top....they work really well.  Thought they were a bit too cheap!  :-[

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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2013, 12:48:57 PM »
These are what I use as DRL's, on the 1100, fitted vertically to the top radiator mounting bolts on homemade brackets.

Plus a set of five above and a set below the headlight, you know its my coming down the road.

Leethal also has them and are under the blinker covers.

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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2013, 03:54:28 PM »
Well here they are fitted up.....wiring next days off....


Seam well made for the price  :thumbsup


The 3rd Pic is taken with just 1 light powered up in the shed this afternoon, and these are DRL's ???








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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2013, 05:09:16 PM »
Wombat,

When the rules talk of watts in lights, they are talking about incandescent bulbs. LEDs are different, it can take fewer watts with them to produce more light/lumens..

As for the rules about driving with fogs on, seems no-one takes any notice of them. Look at the number who drive with them on all the time, and those bloody annoying extra bright red lights on the rear.
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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2013, 07:22:51 PM »
Yeh Daytime Running lights my A$$......I have always been under the impression that as a very ruff guide that 1 lux off light was about equal to enough light to read a newspaper by.....well with 1 off these DRL's on I could still read with comfort a news paper at 65 mtrs........this from a light which is designed for ppl to see you.....not for you to see.


First Pic low beam only with Narva plus 50% 4200k H4 bulbs







This pic still low beam with 1 DRL....running off a half flat old car battery I took out of Pockey's car 3 months ago.....DAM !!! Remember this is a Daytime running light not a driving light of any sort. Going to need to turn them down some what..... :thumbsup.   That bus in the second Pic is 70 mtrs away.


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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2013, 08:35:51 PM »
FWIW, driving with the fog lights on in clear weather in Qld is a $40 fine.  However I think it must be very low on the Police list of priorities to penalise, since every second vehicle that has them fitted seems to have them on.  I'm with Brock regarding that wretched bright rear fog light when you are behind one of the doofus at night.  The worst offenders are the boy racers who need to presence themselves on the road aurally as well as visually.
I very much doubt you could be booked for having them on a bike when you look at the wide variety of LED DRLs on production cars now.
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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2013, 10:38:08 PM »
Same with foggies here in NSW, not to be used in good visibility.....even our work vehicles have DRL's that come on with the ignition .......they only turn off when you turn the headlights on, no other switch.


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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2013, 01:27:07 AM »
I've got a BA mkII ford Falcon Turbo Ute with inbuilt fog lights. The following is only specific to this model car.

When if I drive with the fog lights on and the car enters cool or cold air the hot glass of the fog light cracks or alternatively if your running with the fogs on and hit a shower of rain the outside glass will crack.

Since I stopped running with the fog lights off I've only cracked one light in the last 7 or 8 years and that was a stone. The first 2 years I had the car I went through around 4 lights till I worked out what was happening.

So the moral of my story is I drive with the fog lights off unless I need them.

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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2013, 10:48:56 AM »
The pictures above show the light in relative darkness, how bright do the LED's look when facing them in normal daylight. In other words would they be too bright in the daytime for on coming motorists? Would they be any brighter than any other DRL's you see about. I mainly ride in the daytime.
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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2013, 12:51:10 PM »
Geoff I think they will standout in day light without being offensive to on coming traffic.....may even consider putting a dimmer on them so I can use them in conjuction with low beam at night.....turn them out for sides of the roadway and a little beyond......I think without the dimmer they may be ofensive at night. The manufacture states the can also be used as a fog lights, but I beleive they would not be suitable.....they are 6000K colour rating, far to white for a fog light......somthing in then 2850 K would be far more suitable for fog/rain etc.

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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2013, 01:31:54 PM »
When if I drive with the fog lights on and the car enters cool or cold air the hot glass of the fog light cracks
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Blows that theory out of the water cause you dont get cold air up there  :grin
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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2013, 01:51:07 PM »
When if I drive with the fog lights on and the car enters cool or cold air the hot glass of the fog light cracks
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Blows that theory out of the water cause you dont get cold air up there  :grin


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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2013, 02:44:48 PM »

Going by ADR 76/00 & ECE Reg No.87 it appears you could away with a DRL light intensity of between 700 to 1200 lumens.  If I've found the right conversion calculator 6000 k is about 2400 lumens. 

It might be okay in bright daylight but I'd be concerned about them being a bit too bright on overcast days or in low light conditions close to dawn or dusk.  I know I'd forget to turn them off.   Dimmer switches seem cheap enough, a light sensing dimmer would be even better.

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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2013, 09:44:13 PM »
Thanks for the feedback Tony...... :beer
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2013, 09:12:37 PM »
I think i am going to put this out there for the westies. The great light challenge. Anyone interested in a night or evening cruize culminating in a light off of different types of DRLs and spotties.
And Brock the cars with the blue lights in the back are more irritating than most

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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2013, 09:27:49 PM »
Ohhhh a challenge......who has the biggest !!! Lights...... :nahnah

When I was riding a lot of a night time on Mountain bikes I made a 12 volt bike light out of bits and pieces from a "D" Maglight head, powered by a 12V 2amp/hr batt.....could put 2 batts in a water bottle holder that got in a 3hr ride.......cast a usable beam 70 meters up the road and 15 meters wide that had cars flashing their lights until I got the adjustment right. Smashed everyone else in the group that could throw alight 10 meters. We used to get the kids off to bed and hit the bike about 9pm in summer home about 11pm......great time to be riding quiet country roads and tracks.


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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2013, 09:52:33 AM »
Thanks for the feedback Tony...... :beer

No worries Chris.  At least you've got the DRL's on the ambulance to compare them to for brightness.  Let me know how they go as I wouldn't mind purchasing a set of these lights for myself.

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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2013, 05:30:32 AM »
Had a change of plan on these lights as DRL's......whilst the billet housing of the light was fine the LED and PCB was ??

So enter plan B........http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2PCS-10W-CREE-LED-WORK-LIGHT-760LM-MODULAR-FLOOD-LAMP-12V-24V-4WD-IP68-ROUND-/261144582895?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3ccd6e1aef&_uhb=1


 10watt LED 760 Lumens at 6000k, stainless mounting hardware. Smaller than the previous lights, pics up as time off to night time assess permits........will still play with a dimmer, but happy with initial testing.

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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2013, 05:27:32 PM »
So now for a report on the above lights. We used these over last weekend as part of a 1600 k ride with a night time section also covered.

The lights are mounted on the forks and are vibration free and solid, they are wired via a relay and switch with the active from the accessories at the fuse box.

Using them as DRL's is proving positive with the lights +- 25% brighter than the factory low beam with 65/55 Phillips crystal vision bulbs at 4200K.

We also used these at night on the open road by turning them out and down to cover the tabledrain, adds about 5 metres width to either side of the low beam and out to the same cut off distance along the roadway as the existing low beam, motorist don't appear offended by the lights as we were never flashed by an oncoming vehicle during day or night. In addition to extra vigilance and a decrease in speed during the night section the extra side lighting made a difference to our feeling a little safer on the road.

These in combo with the HID Euro/Spot Driving lights made for a more comfortable night riding experience.


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Re: Daytime Running Lights
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2013, 10:42:54 PM »
You've convinced me Chris.
I'm not sure I need DRLs with the good headlights, but having a bit more light on low beam has very real appeal.  And that supplier is very reliable.  Besides, I'm a sucker for free postage even if it obviously has to have been priced into the item.
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