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Re: Final Drive Repair
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2014, 11:59:04 AM »
What a shame.......no C4 needed........so no bikes were harmed...  filed one of the offending rounded off surfaces a little and that gave  a hex socket enough to turn the plug, OH!!!  and sprayed WD 40 on it yesterday.
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Re: Final Drive Repair
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2014, 08:26:12 PM »
I've spent most of Thursday changing over the drive unit.

Getting the one off the bike only presented with two issues and that was I had to remove the rear shock and clearance issues for the tools I had for the nuts holding on the drive unit.

I ended up using the torque wrench, a universal joint extension fitted to a socket and that was ok for three nuts. The hardest one was the top outer nut so by removing the shock I could raise the swing arm to maximum height which gave just enough room to loosen the nut with one click at a time on the torque wrench.

It looked like I might have had a problem with the ABS sensor bolts but a little bit WD 40 did the trick and just to be different the dust cover that mounts the gear case cover has three bolts on the ABS model, not one like the base model.





Before I took the drive off the swing arm I drained the oil and after 30,000 plus kms looked near new.

Drive is then taken off the swing arm, placed on the table and the gear case cover cleaned, bolts removed and then the cover and crown wheel come out together. These need to be separated and very gently so as not to damage anything. A thin bladed screw driver suited.





My drive flange/spider showing worn splines.



I replaced the oil seal on the gear cover though the old one looked ok. Removed and cleaned the distance collar from my stuffed drive and placed said collar in the new unit. Next is to make sure the crown wheel sits in the gear cover and I hope I got this right. The gear cover placed on the drive unit and then the bolts tightened.

Sticking out the end of the swing arm is a little drive shaft so that comes out and is cleaned up. There's also an oil seal on the drive shaft which was replaced and then moly paste was put on both ends of the drive shaft which is then replaced in the swing arm. More moly paste put on the input drive shaft for the pinion wheel before the drive is placed on the swing arm. The seal is there to keep the grease on the driving splines.



Nuts placed back on the four studs of the drive unit and hand tightened. The next critical part is to align the drive unit. Wheel is replaced as per usual procedure and axle bolt tightened which keeps everything lined up while the nuts that secure the drive unit to the swing arm are tightened. Once that is done the wheel is again removed as there’s usually one nut that can’t be tightened with wheel in place.

Before I put the wheel back in I gave it a clean up (miracle) as it’s easier off the bike.

On Thursday I couldn’t complete the work as at about 4pm it looked like rain so I had to stop work and Friday it rained most of day.

Last week we just about melt with the heat and 40C plus temps this week it’s raining and down about 20C.

As in a post or two prior I had an issue with the re-fill plug. Since the rain had stopped for awhile on Friday afternoon I thought it best to at least put the oil in before I forgot about it but that was not to be.

Today as posted before the plug is finally removed, the oil put in and the plug off my original drive unit is installed.

Only items needed to do now is to refit the tow bar and rear fender/mudguard and while I’m at it I checked and adjust tyre pressures.

While I was doing that Heather gave the bike a quick clean-up

So, it’s all done. A short test ride down the shop and all seemed ok. No unusual noises from the rear end and maybe a little quieter if anything. On Sunday we’ll do the 40 km ride over to Jamestown and see how it goes...
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Re: Final Drive Repair
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2014, 08:45:36 PM »
Nice work Alan.   Good to hear the changeover went OK. 
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Re: Final Drive Repair
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2014, 08:47:21 PM »
Well done, nice write up.
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Re: Final Drive Repair
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2014, 10:40:03 AM »
All is good, a 80 km round trip a day or two after the repair and all quiet down in the final drive. Another 220km round trip yesterday as well and it seems everything is ok.

Coming back home in the afternoon the temp was 40C plus which might have added a little extra heat into the mix and last years cooling system fix certainly proved itself as the gauge stayed steady at about 1/4 of the normal range.
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Re: Final Drive Repair
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2014, 08:10:57 AM »
Well done Alan...........we surprise ourselves sometimes with what we can achieve if we put our mind to it..........and can't really afford paying some other bugger to do it for us!! :thumb
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Final Drive Repair
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2014, 12:23:39 PM »
I have been doing alot of winter maintenance on the ST.  Having completed a flush of the clutch and brake lines, the install of Sonic Springs in the forks along with new seals and dust covers, and a new Progressive 465 on the rear, alongwith an Evans coolant change, I thought I had better check on the rear splines.

I knew I had to check this out.  I only purchased the ST in Nov 2013.  It was a pristene bike with only 59k on the clock.  I did my first real ride end of May early June 2014 after an engine oil change to PM L ubricatnts 10w40 and a rear drive oil change to PM's diff oil.  I went to Brisbane from Melbourne in 2 days and experienced some Major Bumsore issues.  After 4 days in Qld, it was time to head back.  About 30 K's South of Balina, I lost my Avon Storm  rear tire with a cut around 2 inches with wire protruding.  I have no idea what caused this but what a pain that was.  A friendly homeowner secured my bike and I hitched a ride back to Balina (Sunday ... No bike shops open). Stayed in a motel and waited for the Monday morning.  As soon as the doors opened I was in and purchased a Metzler 60 profile replacement as the 70 was not available.  When I took the wheel off, shock horror the spline was very dry and looked like it was rusty.  This was now an urgent job.

To clean up and get some lubrication in there I decided to remove the rear drive unit.  When the 4 bolts loosened at the swingarm/drive unit joint water started dripping.  Honestly I was shocked to see how much water came out.  I did not measure it but my guess is around 200 ml.  Some discoloration on the iron pinion retaier was evident.  The water though was clean.  My guess is that it entered on my trip to Brisbane and back because I rode through a lot of rain.  I imagine it entered past the drive unit / swingarm interface as there was no gasket.

Its all back together last night, with new O-rings and oil and Honda 60 on the splines.  I checked the cush rubbers and they were in excellent condition.  The spline showed wear but not too much.  All in all I am very pleased with the result.  Now I have to get all the plastic back on and I will be mobile again.

I just want to express my appreciaation to Yorkie and Alan1100 as their posts were extremly helpful.  I was a bit daunted,  but due to the posts and descriptions it was a breeze.  I got pretty filthy as its a bit of a messy job, but very happy with the result and the knowledge that its all good and in great shape now.

It really amazed me that the previous owner could have put the Avons on and yet failed to lubricate and care for the drive.

Hats off the Allan & Yorkie.
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Re: Final Drive Repair
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2014, 01:39:49 PM »
Well caught in time. It could be that the previous owner just took the bike in to the shop. I have seen other ones that had previously been to a tyre specialist and the splines looked like they never saw grease, the same rusty look and a bit of wear. I asked some years ago could I buy some moly off the local Honda dealer. They said they just used grease.
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Re: Final Drive Repair
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2014, 01:59:23 PM »
Hi Saaz,  I am not sure if you want Molly 60 but I have been selling it on ebay for months now and have 9 tubes left.  I sell it for $30.00 post free to members.  From Honda Australia via dealers its like $50.00 or more.
I am glad I caught it when I did thats for sure.
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Re: Final Drive Repair
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2014, 02:12:32 PM »
Hi Saaz,  I am not sure if you want Molly 60 but I have been selling it on ebay for months now and have 9 tubes left.  I sell it for $30.00 post free to members.  From Honda Australia via dealers its like $50.00 or more.
I am glad I caught it when I did thats for sure.

Free postage  :eek I wish I new that yesterday when I ordered a tube, I could have saved $7.20  :well
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Re: Final Drive Repair
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2014, 03:42:14 PM »
Not really, but thanks for the offer. I have been using a Molykote product that is good, and lately a Nulon PTFE high pressure grease that easily lasts between tyre changes. These days I use it more on mates STs during tyre changes.
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Re: Final Drive Repair
« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2014, 04:23:58 PM »
Hi Saaz,  I am not sure if you want Molly 60 but I have been selling it on ebay for months now and have 9 tubes left.  I sell it for $30.00 post free to members.  From Honda Australia via dealers its like $50.00 or more.
I am glad I caught it when I did thats for sure.

Drat!    I bought some from you a few weeks ago, and like Wild Rose, could have saved he postage.   Never mind. :thumb
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