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Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« on: January 06, 2015, 04:27:37 PM »





I am opening a new poll that we at the pointy end of OzSTOC would really appreciate your collective opinions and feedback.

When the club as a whole was first appraised that Diesel and Streak were stepping down from the clubs leadership’s roles and a new team would be stepping into the management position I stated that I believed it was the passion of the members that gave OzSTOC its direction. The club has developed and been able to project its own momentum driven by our members in the past, and will continue into the future. Saaz, Pockey and I are merely a guiding hand to keep us from straying off our course.


As you are all aware the Honda ST1300 is no longer available to purchase new in this country, and if the ST1300 long Gevity is anywhere near the lifespan of the venerable  ST1100 we will see ST's on the road and in the club for many years to come.

This poll is all about your thoughts on future proofing our club OzSTOC.


So would you like to see OzSTOC remain purposely only Honda ST motorcycle specific OR do you believe there is scope in our future to evolve into the Australian Sports Touring Owners Club (OzSTOC)?. This would also potentially give owners of other brands of "Sports Touring" motorcycles a club outlet based on the proven mantra of our club as it exists today.

As a club we already encourage other riders and pillions regardless of their motorcycle of choice to participate on our forum and attend our RTE's.....we are talking about giving these people, members a club they can call there own with the opening of the doors to ALL "Sports Touring" motorcycles regardless of manufacturer. Naturally all of the current forum format with ST specific information would continue in a similar way, we would merely a lot other manufacturers "Sports Touring" motorcycles sections within the forum and possible bring on board a forum moderator to moderate that particular brand of motorcycle section. I.e. Saaz may moderate the Triumph Trophy section etc.

Just a few of the "Sports Touring" motorcycles we may be targeting are the FJR's, GTR's, Wings, Trophy, BMW's etc......we are bring this topic up for discussion as we have lost members in the past who for various reasons moved away from the social aspect of our club as they no longer where ST riding members.

This poll is to further enhance the future directions that YOU as a member of OzSTOC would like to see your club take, we ask that you not only participate in this active poll but leave constructive feedback as you wish so we can collate this information.

I have asked our moderation team and previous leadership members to not post their collective thoughts on this important subject at this time so as to not influence the direction this subject may take and let the data collected reflect what our members believe our club direction should be.


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« Last Edit: January 07, 2015, 04:15:29 PM by ST2UP »
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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2015, 04:38:05 PM »
This is really hard to answer.

I LOVE that this is a site dedicated to the ST's. It feels like I have a home and family as everything is geared towards the STeed I have come to love.

BUT.....

and there is always a but isnt there.....

I understand the need and desire to be inclusive as we already are.

Maybe we could as suggested have the OzSTOC (sports touring) as the over arching body but with well defined sub sections that allow each brand (including the ST's) to have their own 'dormitory' where they can doing their weird things that arn't ST related.

I do like the thoughts of making this a future proof process and I am assuming we are not looking to do this in the very near future but are looking at a longer term vision.

One thing I dont want to see though is a club where (like on the FJR forum) people start slaging each other off.  The harmony we have on this forum is amazing and if it means we start to loose this civility then we will need to revisit and reassess the situation.

thats my short and not well thought out response at this stage.

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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2015, 05:07:06 PM »
*NB* you won't be able to see the Poll votes until you have voted.....most votes doesn't necessarily give us our direction but it does show us what members are thinking as we move ahead.


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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2015, 05:30:16 PM »
I will decline to vote until I give it more thought.

Until then..........The "ST" in OzStoc does leave room for other bikes that come under the ST classification but I would hope for a more touring related side than sport.
 
At the moment the club only requires an interest in STs without even owning one; or any other bike for that matter so going that little bit further shouldn't matter much.

I do have membership (as some others also do) with www.my-mc-phoenix.com and though open to all makes (each with their own section) and models of bikes it's only the 1100 (more so) and 1300 owners that are more involved.









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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2015, 08:28:25 PM »
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I am ashamed that HONDA has not given us somewhere to go from our FANTASTIC touring sport Bikes and seem to be going in the way of offering AMERICAN style bikes which have NO PLACE in Australia as tourers.  Harley style copies,  Shame Honda Shame..

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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2015, 08:40:13 PM »
Thanks for the feedback thus far chaps.....please feel free to have your say positive or negative about the poll. The very essence that makes OzSTOC great is we don't have any of the bullying and harassment we see on other bike site, particularly Facebook related sites.

But if you feel you would prefer to PM me your response particularly if it seems to go against the majority I would enjoy hearing your thoughts so we can put this all together   ++


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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2015, 08:51:04 PM »
Most of the other sport tourers, FJR, BMW, etc already have their own club, it would take some negotiation to affiliate.
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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2015, 09:02:22 PM »
Yep great feedback Yorkie.....we wouldnt actually negotiate with the other user groups persay.

It would be more a case of commence a I.e. FJR section and allow them to find us and be a member of ours aswell with more a focus on generalised Sports Touring discussion.

Much the same as we have members of OzSTOC now who also dabble on FarRiders, IBA, DRA for their LD fix and onto ST-Owners in USA for the extra techie stuff  :think1


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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2015, 08:08:25 AM »
Whilst I don't have problem with riders of other breeds of bikes being part of the group, I personally think that the benefit of any hints regarding repairs to bikes, how do I do this will be lost to a certain extent because at the moment and in the majority of cases when soemone asks a question of "how to"do something it generally relates to an ST (be it an 1100 or 1300). If there are other breeds of bikes included I have no real interest in reading how to check the oil on a FJ Yammy. In other words will potentially the forum get too big???
Not trying to be narrow minded and just a thought on one aspect.
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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2015, 09:49:12 AM »
There exists forums for all manner of bike brands or models.

As has been stated owners of other brands either inhabit this forum because they have interests or ownership of ST's  or had an ST.

So if they are still welcome though they no longer own one but enjoy the ST forum...why change?




Now the next issue is  who decides whats a sport touring bike...what percentage sprot? what percentage touring?  or do you plan to use a buyers guide like that found in say Australian Motorcyclist?
For example a Kawasaki Ninja 1000. Its not a GTR but it has all the features, or a 2015 Versys 1000 or XJ1300....and what of a Can Am Spyder???
Its a can of worms just that bit.


I understand the logic of model cessation but just take a moment to consider the model specific clubs that exist for all manner of stuff that's no longer in production.
They exist to celebrate that item, that what distinguishes them from another herd.

No I think my vote is keep it Model 1st, Make 2nd, and let time run its course. if the take up of Honda's offering grows from within these members then open a complete section to that much like the 1100 and 1300 sections. As you say there will be ST's around for along time yet.

OH and FJR riders are different to ST riders as they too are different to GTR riders for a mass of good and bad reasoning.

Now I'm off to vote if that's ok
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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2015, 10:18:48 AM »
"Much the same as we have members of OzSTOC now who also dabble on FarRiders, IBA, DRA for their LD fix   "

Or FarRiders, DRA who also dabble on OzSTOC.
 

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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2015, 10:34:14 AM »
And Ulyssians, MRA, CanberraRiders, FatBastards, and other informal ride groups who also dabble in OZSTOC . .
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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2015, 12:55:04 PM »
I was a member of http://netrider.net.au/ and left due to people hating on each other. If we can maintain the values this forum has, I don't see an issue with allowing more Sports Tourers, give them their own section.
 

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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2015, 01:49:54 PM »
Great feedback guys, keep it coming we are listening  :popcorn



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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2015, 03:53:38 PM »
I joined NetRider many months ago.... and left very quickly... uncivilised lot, trolls tried baiting me for a few weeks, then realised I was gone.

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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2015, 04:46:02 PM »
I really like the club as is, however like Rally I can't see me on a Honda by the end of the year. That's bad enough and I wish it wasn't the case however If I loose the friends in OzSTOC due to feeling like an outsider, it would be devastating. There are already members with non Hondas and we should embrace the club spirit and all the good will that has been built up and not be focused on brand names.
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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2015, 05:28:34 PM »
Can't see me moving from the ST1300 for a while after spending lotsa motsa on it, but I did vote for option 3 as my best riding buddies, Lionel, SAAZ and Paul all have other makes and all still enjoy the comraderie and knowlege of the OZSTOC Group . .
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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2015, 05:47:39 PM »
As indicated over time, I'm a bit of a purist and love keeping it as a Honda ST Club.  If people like Brian and saaz go off onto other types, then that's OK, but as we have coped with that by including them but not their bikes, I think it would be dumb to open up new sub-sections for every type someone decides to go out and buy.  Let them get their technical advice from the appropriate forums (avoiding the slanging threads if they wish).
So, if in my dotage, I go and buy a Goldwing or a Trophy, I'll hang around this particular lot of no hopers until they tell me to take my Quotes From The Library and rack off.  I'll pester the appropriate sources for oil advice and visit OzSTOC annual Rallies and park out of sight of the group photo.
How's that for a compromise?  You keep us nice guys, but don't get diluted by our weird bikes.
When I did the HART refresher a few weeks ago, the trainer asked what I'd buy next and I said there is a Goldwing in my future.  He said not to rush into it because I've got the ST doing what I like doing now.  That says something about me and the ST13.
 
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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2015, 06:19:09 PM »
 Leave as is.
                 Although I now have a Victory XCT and a ZZR1100 I still check out OzSTOC out every day, still go on some of the WA rides and enjoy this great forum as is. I go to bike specific forums if I need any info on my bikes.
                Think of the problems of a forum handling all brands, most Sports Tourer Riders would want their own brand specific Sub Forum and I don't think it would take too long for the forum to become too Unweildy.
                Another consideration is trying to organize the Annual Rally, imagine trying to organize for 500 or so riders ( that leaves out most of the smaller towns ).

    Just some of my thoughts on the subject

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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2015, 06:49:32 PM »
Due to a changed work roster & time spent turning a 4 wheeled pigs ear into a purse (Sabie !) i have not & will not be around much apart from National rallies & maybe 1 other event per year.
With my STeed getting long in the tooth i have been pondering a Goldwing for WA in 2016 to do the lap with.
It would be nice to keep the club the way it is,but realistically with the number of bikes getting thinner by the year i think the future direction ultimately lies in expanding the horizons a bit more.
At the end of the day it is the great people i have met who just happen to ride Honda's  :beer
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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2015, 07:27:18 PM »
Sorry to hear that Duncan, more then happy to ride with you anytime if my roster permits. :like

2 wheels are better then 4, sometimes, pending on there history.

I'm happy to have other riders join this forum. 
But as I see this as a long term vision/concern of "Sport Tourers, it is a good idea to raise this issue now, and get the feeling/thoughts of the forum members.
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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2015, 07:57:05 PM »
As is. Definitely. OzSToc is an ST society that enjoys other brands but exhilarates in the magnificence of the ST design that revels in reliability but embarrasses itself when maintenance is actually required. For example, topping up the oil is a clumsy, illogical process - but hey, u only have 2 do it at oil changes!
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2015, 08:06:12 PM »
Sorry to hear that Duncan, more then happy to ride with you anytime if my roster permits. :like

2 wheels are better then 4, sometimes, pending on there history.

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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2015, 10:45:04 PM »
I like it as it is, and I hope it stays that way.  The ST has attracted a type of rider.  Its these people that have made this forum an excellent one.  We love to ride and many do have another ride.  But there is a magic associated with the ST in particular.  Its this mix of the calibre of the people and the bike itself.  I cant put it in words, effectively.  I just know it works very well.  And its always a pleasure.  Riding the ST is always a pleasure and OzSTOC echos that very well.
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Re: Where do YOU see OzSTOC in the future.
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2015, 08:01:26 AM »
Piet makes a very good point- there is something about the ST that attracts the type of people we are.  As noted elsewhere, the Feejer crowd is different to us, the Harleys and their wanna-bees are definitely different and so on.
Stick with the ST as the base and we'll keep attracting the good guys (and gals).
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