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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: saaz on October 18, 2013, 12:24:45 PM
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The latest AMCN has again raised rumours of a possible ST replacement using the ST13 engine for a platform a CTX1300. Talk is that it will be influenced by the latest CTX700 Honda and take some ideas from that cut down Gold Wing.
But this seems to indicate that a V twin engine is more likely. http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/09/05/manufacturers/honda/leaked-document-lists-honda-ctx1300-cbr650f-cb650f-vfr800f-cb250f-and-updated-cbr250r/ (http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/09/05/manufacturers/honda/leaked-document-lists-honda-ctx1300-cbr650f-cb650f-vfr800f-cb250f-and-updated-cbr250r/)
I hope it turns out better than it sounds!
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Maybe it will look something like this
Could be that some will start looking at :-
Competitors For The Honda ST1300
• BMW K
• Kawasaki Concours 14 ABS
• Moto Guzzi Norge
• Yamaha FJR
Not for me.......not with that chain drive. I'd opt for 'wing if I was able to afford a new bike.
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You forgot the best competitor, Kev.
I reckon the Triumph Trophy has to be considered. The only thing I don't like is the single sided exhaust- it looks unbalanced.
After that, I'd look at the FJR well before the rest!
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You forgot the best competitor, Kev.
I reckon the Triumph Trophy has to be considered. The only thing I don't like is the single sided exhaust- it looks unbalanced.
After that, I'd look at the FJR well before the rest!
I totally agree that the Trophy looks like the "Best of the Rest". However, it has no tip-over protection and thus a little drop will do lots of damage.
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I totally agree that the Trophy looks like the "Best of the Rest". However, it has no tip-over protection and thus a little drop will do lots of damage.
Maybe there are Oggy knobs that suit it (and ruin its clean lines).
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I believe there are some protection bars you can fit to the Trophy.. R&G make them..not that I am looking that much...
I totally agree that the Trophy looks like the "Best of the Rest". However, it has no tip-over protection and thus a little drop will do lots of damage.
Maybe there are Oggy knobs that suit it (and ruin its clean lines).
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Without getting off topic....my local Trumpy dealer was saying that the Trophy isn't selling too well in Oz. He said there was talk that they were going to stop importing them. Time will tell.
Cheers,
Tony
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Oh well GoldWing it will be
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Without getting off topic....my local Trumpy dealer was saying that the Trophy isn't selling too well in Oz. He said there was talk that they were going to stop importing them. Time will tell.
Oh goody. Then maybe they'll have huge price drops like Honda did.
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Could be, but I have had to wait for the next shipment until I can get one as they are all sold out. It was never going to be a big seller but am important addition to the range. If they don't get any more then I will just stick the the ST11 until it dies some time, but who knows when??
Without getting off topic....my local Trumpy dealer was saying that the Trophy isn't selling too well in Oz. He said there was talk that they were going to stop importing them. Time will tell.
Cheers,
Tony
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I rode the Triumph Trophy while at the Ulysses AGM in Maryborough. Even though I liked the Trophy
I came home and bought a brand new ST1300.
Honda dropping the price on the ST1300 did help me make up my mind :grin
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I like the Triumph but I can't see any reason to even think about changing codes, my thoughts are....."if it ain't broke, don't fix it"...... and right now "it ain't broke" :grin
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Hey Saaz, why not consider trading up to a good second hand ST1300, there's still plenty around mate! :grin
Could be, but I have had to wait for the next shipment until I can get one as they are all sold out. It was never going to be a big seller but am important addition to the range. If they don't get any more then I will just stick the the ST11 until it dies some time, but who knows when??
Without getting off topic....my local Trumpy dealer was saying that the Trophy isn't selling too well in Oz. He said there was talk that they were going to stop importing them. Time will tell.
Cheers,
Tony
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There's an item on the CTX1300 in this weeks Aussie Motor Cycle mag. They say the CTX1300 will borrow parts from the ST1300, "Our Japanese sources claim the bike will be based around a longitudinally-mounted V4 engine from the ST1300 tourer. If this is the case expect a beast that's somewhere between a traditional and long-distance tourer"
If the want a long distance tourer, what's wrong with the ST1300?
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Without getting off topic....my local Trumpy dealer was saying that the Trophy isn't selling too well in Oz. He said there was talk that they were going to stop importing them. Time will tell.
Cheers,
Tony
At nearly $29000 I'm not surprised, I certainly would be having a good look at the competition before shelling out that much.. hell I'd look hard at a good second hand wing for that money.
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I have tried all the competition (including the BMW1600 at 10 grand more) and if the Trophy was not around a GoldWing would be the one. I did think about an ST1300 but unfortunately test rode the Trophy a few times....
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I like the Goldwing, but geez it's like having to line up and buy 2 ST's
Oh well GoldWing it will be
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I have tried all the competition (including the BMW1600 at 10 grand more) and if the Trophy was not around a GoldWing would be the one. I did think about an ST1300 but unfortunately test rode the Trophy a few times....
Well you might just have to test ride the 1300 a couple more times....sounds like you just haven't found the right one yet....
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A possible successor to the ST13 (in touring form) - or just a great cruiser - the CTX1300
Read more here.....
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/10/21/motorcycle-news/honda-ctx1300-spotted-film-shoot/ (http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/10/21/motorcycle-news/honda-ctx1300-spotted-film-shoot/)
Cheers, Diesel
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You can also find more information in this thread on the 18th
http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=5396.msg60675#msg60675 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=5396.msg60675#msg60675)
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At least there will spare engine parts for years to come.
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Oh dear!!! :eek
What were the designers thinking with that "dragon's head" front end!??
It's as ugly as the cut-down Goldwing's ass-end. :well
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It's as ugly as the cut-down Goldwing's ass-end. :well
I agree, and Honda still won't have a bike to compete against the Yamaha FJR class of tourers.
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mmmm in a word.......Hideous !!! :fp
:beer
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Won't be saving my pennies for one of those.
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OMG! :eek Honda really has lost the plot!
Cheers,
Tony
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OMG...that is the ugliest bike. the venerable postie bike is pretty in comparison, even the new flouro green ones(they should be red). :grin
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It looks very similar to the F6B. What's with the focus on cruiser style machines.....must be where the money is?
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I want to vomit all over it
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Here is the Youtube Video for the CTX700, it is not a bad review actually, it looks like it will take a top box, and the riding position is upright
have a listen before you judge to much :thumb
MotoUSA First Ride: 2014 Honda CTX700 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR8C472DuD0#ws)
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd499/ozstoc/HondaCTX700_zps16751261.jpg)
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Just found this.... http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/624/17251/Motorcycle-Article/Possible-Honda-CTX1300-Spied-Testing.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/624/17251/Motorcycle-Article/Possible-Honda-CTX1300-Spied-Testing.aspx)
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Tony's ST13 for sale really tempted me I must say.....but I have never owned a new car or bike so have to start sometime.
I have tried all the competition (including the BMW1600 at 10 grand more) and if the Trophy was not around a GoldWing would be the one. I did think about an ST1300 but unfortunately test rode the Trophy a few times....
Well you might just have to test ride the 1300 a couple more times....sounds like you just haven't found the right one yet....
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I can approve the semi naked engine.
At least it will make oil changes quicker!
The 700 appears to have a fixed windscreen, as does the 1300. Another boo-boo!
But the rest is still lamentable, even after seeing the movies starring its little brother.
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One comment on a blog put it pretty well..cruiser rides won't want it, and Sports-Tourer riders won't want to ride it. To be fair, it is trying to grow market segment that is just growing. I hope they have a version with adjustable screen, tank large enough for decent range etc.
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Here is the Youtube Video for the CTX700, it is not a bad review actually, it looks like it will take a top box, and the riding position is upright
have a listen before you judge to much :thumb
Nope. Still want to vomit up all over it
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[quote author=Kev link=topic=5418.msg60857#msg60857 date=1
Honda is strongly targeting new riders with nearly all its latest product introductions. With the American motorcycle market shrinking, they need to create a new audience to sell products to in the future. The idea is that someone who starts on a Honda CBR300R may move up to a Honda CBR500R, then a Honda CBR600RR. This new CTX1300 provides the same level of progression to its cruiser range. You may start on a CTX700, buy a CTX1300 a few years later, then move up to a Honda Gold Wing F6B. A tiered product range makes it easy for riders to advance the size of their bike as their skill (and budget) increases.
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Wot - like a 1/4 of a bike, half a bike and fill size bike kinda thing :fp
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Agreed Saaz, its not targeted at us, neither is the CTX1300, It is still a better option than the VFR1200.....
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. This new CTX1300 provides the same level of progression to its cruiser range. You may start on a CTX700, buy a CTX1300 a few years later, then move up to a Honda Gold Wing F6B. A tiered product range makes it easy for riders to advance the size of their bike as their skill (and budget) increases.
That might be fine for the cruiser market but it's a big jump from say a CB400 to an GL1800. At least the ST1300 filled the gap a little.
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Two bits of gossip I picked up today. First the Postie bikes are being repainted red prior to delivery.
Second, but somewhat unconfirmed, it is believed that a replacement for the ST1300 is in the wind, it could possibly be a V6 with fly by wire technology and still about 1300cc. Time will tell. Apparently for what ever reason, Honda Australia refuses to confirm the rumour.
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According to the video the CTX700 is for riders 'who don't know what they want'.
Well , we all on here know what we want and that thing isn't it!!!!
:bl11
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I think fly by wire throttle, integrated cruise and traction control etc etc should be a given these days. Honda going to a 6 cylinder would be a hark back to their racing heritage, and the V configuration is something else Honda holds dear to their hearts. A V5 like the race bikes would be good :)
I really hope some of this is true...its about time Honda lead innovation like they did with the ST1100 years ago. But then I also wish Suzuki would enter the ST market with a Busa based shaft ST....
Two bits of gossip I picked up today. First the Postie bikes are being repainted red prior to delivery.
Second, but somewhat unconfirmed, it is believed that a replacement for the ST1300 is in the wind, it could possibly be a V6 with fly by wire technology and still about 1300cc. Time will tell. Apparently for what ever reason, Honda Australia refuses to confirm the rumour.
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Oh yeah, that's an improvement.....looks ugly to me, and the riders knee is up against the cylinder head. Just going to have to look after the ST.
Just found this.... [url]http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/624/17251/Motorcycle-Article/Possible-Honda-CTX1300-Spied-Testing.aspx[/url] ([url]http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/624/17251/Motorcycle-Article/Possible-Honda-CTX1300-Spied-Testing.aspx[/url])
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Oh dear!!! :eek
What were the designers thinking with that "dragon's head" front end!??
It's as ugly as the cut-down Goldwing's ass-end. :well
(http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s616/_gregorypb/c8504b380c145592970db4a4e22faf98_zps82a687d2.jpg)
What's wrong with a Dragon's head front end??????????
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The CTX1300 is basically a bagger version of the ST1300 (hope that does not offend anyone!) Hopefully Honda will offer the full version, similar to the Goldwing compared to the F6B.
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I'll give you a real life report on the CTX700 in the next month or so. My neighbour has one on order. Should be here early November.
Not that anyone will care. :whistle
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Here's another angle from the UK perspective (Visordown website)
This is Honda’s new CTX1300, which looks a bit like the F6B Goldwing Bagger but with the ST1300 Pan European's engine.
The spy shots were taken during filming in the US of a promo video for the new model, which is expected to be launched next year.
The pictures show a ‘CTX’ badge on a panel and an engine that looks identical to the Pan’s 1260cc transverse mounted V4, which makes 117bhp.
It's not clear whether the CTX1300 will be sold in the UK. Honda already makes a CTX700 for the States, using the frame and 670cc parallel-twin engine from the NC700 series sold here, with optional automatic Dual Clutch Transmission.
When the half-faired CTX700 was launched in February, along with a naked CTX700N, Honda UK said it was "evaluating" whether to bring them here in 2014.
Bill Savino of Honda America said at the time: “These new models intriduced today are just the first in a whole new family of CTX products of various displacements and engine configurations that will be rolled out in the future."
The name refers to Comfort, Technology and eXperience, according to firm.
The CTX1300 also looks not altogether unlike the Honda DN-01, a twist-and-go cruiser produced from 2008 to 2010 which, at £10,000, failed to achieve many UK sales.
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The pictures show a ‘CTX’ badge on a panel and an engine that looks identical to the Pan’s 1260cc transverse mounted V4, .
I think some of these writers need to get their terms right.
A transverse motor is when the motor is mounted east west as in a CB 750 or if a "V4" the same as the VFR1200.
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:thumb Spot on Alan
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I think some of these writers need to get their terms right.
A transverse motor is when the motor is mounted east west as in a CB 750 or if a "V4" the same as the VFR1200.
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Below is the link to the Website Biggles is referring to.
http://www.visordown.com (http://www.visordown.com)
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Biggles, you are a wealth of knowledge!! What a shame you don't ride a white bike!! :grin
Here's another angle from the UK perspective (Visordown website)
This is Honda’s new CTX1300, which looks a bit like the F6B Goldwing Bagger but with the ST1300 Pan European's engine.
The spy shots were taken during filming in the US of a promo video for the new model, which is expected to be launched next year.
The pictures show a ‘CTX’ badge on a panel and an engine that looks identical to the Pan’s 1260cc transverse mounted V4, which makes 117bhp.
It's not clear whether the CTX1300 will be sold in the UK. Honda already makes a CTX700 for the States, using the frame and 670cc parallel-twin engine from the NC700 series sold here, with optional automatic Dual Clutch Transmission.
When the half-faired CTX700 was launched in February, along with a naked CTX700N, Honda UK said it was "evaluating" whether to bring them here in 2014.
Bill Savino of Honda America said at the time: “These new models intriduced today are just the first in a whole new family of CTX products of various displacements and engine configurations that will be rolled out in the future."
The name refers to Comfort, Technology and eXperience, according to firm.
The CTX1300 also looks not altogether unlike the Honda DN-01, a twist-and-go cruiser produced from 2008 to 2010 which, at £10,000, failed to achieve many UK sales.
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Biggles, you are a wealth of knowledge!! What a shame you don't ride a white bike!! :grin
I used to a few years ago, but needed a faster one. :p
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I think I've identified a trend in Honda's current motorcycle design philosophy. If ever a true ST replacement eventuates, I'll guarantee that it will be at least 40% uglier than the current model. :grin
Cheers,
Tony
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Turncoat! :spank obviously not to be trusted!! :grin
Biggles, you are a wealth of knowledge!! What a shame you don't ride a white bike!! :grin
I used to a few years ago, but needed a faster one. :p
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The 700 appears to have a fixed windscreen, as does the 1300. Another boo-boo!
It actually looks like the screen disappears into the nose cone.
and it does meet Police Motorbike Standards.
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When I go into the market for a new bike (not that I am for a while) I think it looks good .
Like the exposed pipes and the low slung overall look. Hope they add an electric screen though. Perhaps have a look when they hit the showroom! Yeah don't think I,d look too outta place on it. Wot thuh
:wht13 8)
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When I go into the market for a new bike (not that I am for a while) I think it looks good .
Like the exposed pipes and the low slung overall look. Hope they add an electric screen though. Perhaps have a look when they hit the showroom!
:wht13 8)
That's well said mate, all we can do is have a look :thumb
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Hopefully what Honda is doing is releasing what they expect to be a bigger selling model, then release the other variations. I had a look the other day at the Goldwing and F6B side by side, and all the main parts are the same. So hopefully the CTX1300 will also have an ST cousin based on the same platform at some stage. But will it have a decent tank size, decent fuel range etc etc? The basic ST13 based platform is a great place to start!
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They probably think that after 10 years the ST1300 needs a facelift. Maybe.
But I'd settle for a bit of electrickery- TC, CC a power outlet and a better seat would be enough for me.
Oh, and get the heat off the legs, please.
If you still want more, make the front suspension adjustable.
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Sad days...
http://motorcycles.honda.com.au/Sports_Touring (http://motorcycles.honda.com.au/Sports_Touring)
Anyways - it's only sad for 'brand faithfuls' as there are plenty of other manufacturers out there embracing this market.
Cheers, Diesel
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The new VFR800 looks pretty good. It has been give an overall makeover for the better. VFR1200 is a good if it is at the right price, but I can't see how it could be modified to be an ST without so many changes that it would be too expensive.
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I thought the CTX1300 was going to be the replacement
http://powersports.honda.com/2014/ctx1300.aspx (http://powersports.honda.com/2014/ctx1300.aspx)
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The 1200 certainly has some good tech advances. However, as saaz suggests, it still only leaves the F6B and Goldwing as true Honda tourers. If I didn't go to a 'Wing I'd have to go to a Fazer or Trumpy.
Down the track, the OzSTOC might have to be re-badged "OzTourer".
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I thought the CTX1300 was going to be the replacement
[url]http://powersports.honda.com/2014/ctx1300.aspx[/url] ([url]http://powersports.honda.com/2014/ctx1300.aspx[/url])
Some feel its looks are against it. The integrated luggage is a Deauville throw-back and no electric screen was a serious omission. I worry when they talk about "chrome accents". That's not why we bought STs!
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Some feel its looks are against it. The integrated luggage is a Deauville throw-back and no electric screen was a serious omission. I worry when they talk about "chrome accents". That's not why we bought STs!
optional extras... probably on the deluxe edition
Make It Your Own
We'll have plenty of Honda Genuine Accessories available to give your CTX1300 its own look. There'll be a tall windscreen, heated grips, backrest with pad, 12V accessory socket, rear trunk (45L), LED foglight kit, plenty of chrome accents, and more!
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Has anyone else ridden the VFR1200? Where the ST is on the touring side of sports-touring, the VFR is definitely on the sports side. I don't think I'd want to be on one for very long.
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Yep. I saw the tall windscreen, Marcus. Dandy. But what about when I want the screen right down so I can be sporty in the twisties without windscreen distortion of my view. Integral heated grips are fine- I use the ones I have about twice a year. LED fog lights are good. I use them the same time I use the heated grips. I adjust my windscreen every week.
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I adjust my windscreen every week.
Good point... I guess we'll have to wait. As I can't find any images showing the "tall windscreen" and how integrated it will become.
It would be pretty cool if it would come out of here
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e276/marcusstringer/ScreenShot2013-11-06at124555PM_zps73a4f538.png)
I'd like it to be retractable
I'm guessing it will be like this
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-j8xQg0_6sIs/URqOtSnNSZI/AAAAAAAABX4/Rdy6s1EBF1k/s1600/CTX700+Saddle+bags+backrest+accessories.jpg)
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([url]http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e276/marcusstringer/ScreenShot2013-11-06at124555PM_zps73a4f538.png[/url])
The seat looks very comfortable, but the pillion has only been given a perch. Pockey would be miffed.
As I said in the other CTX1300 thread, I like the exposed engine look, especially if it dissipates the heat more effectively than the ST13's fairing does. More chrome to polish, but my Purple Polish would handle it.
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I'd prefer the delux version out of the two.
Adds Anti-Lock Braking System(ABS), self-canceling turn signals, audio package including Bluetooth connectivity, blacked-out styling elements for a distinctive look.
missing cruise control and decent sized tank (5.1 US gallons or 19.3 L) and DCT
weighs 724.2 lbs or just over 328kg and we thought the STs were heavy.........lol
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What a truly dreadful looking machine!, and why did they forget the windscreen? sorry but I think this is no replacement whatever for the ST1300, a pathetic grab at trying to look like a yank bike. An awful thing!
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I'd prefer the delux version out of the two.
Adds Anti-Lock Braking System(ABS), self-canceling turn signals, audio package including Bluetooth connectivity, blacked-out styling elements for a distinctive look.
missing cruise control and decent sized tank (5.1 US gallons or 19.3 L) and DCT
weighs 724.2 lbs or just over 328kg and we thought the STs were heavy.........lol
So the Triumph trophy trumps it on virtually every criterion.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/motoring/the-richard-hammond-test-drive-triumph-1530085 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/motoring/the-richard-hammond-test-drive-triumph-1530085)
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I can point you to a lot more tests, and forums where any problems are reported. Quite a few ex ST and BMW 1200RT former owners, and some former BMW1600 owners interestingly enough.
[url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/motoring/the-richard-hammond-test-drive-triumph-1530085[/url] ([url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/motoring/the-richard-hammond-test-drive-triumph-1530085[/url])
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I can point you to a lot more tests, and forums where any problems are reported. Quite a few ex ST and BMW 1200RT former owners, and some former BMW1600 owners interestingly enough.
Go on, do it. (Only when you feel up to it, of course!)
Get well soon.
It's that blary Canberra climate. Would kill a brown dog.
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I am sitting outside using the laptop, 27c or so, very nice day. But I should be packing, checking the bike for the final time etc etc. I have BWS (bike withdrawl syndrome)
I can point you to a lot more tests, and forums where any problems are reported. Quite a few ex ST and BMW 1200RT former owners, and some former BMW1600 owners interestingly enough.
Go on, do it. (Only when you feel up to it, of course!)
Get well soon.
It's that blary Canberra climate. Would kill a brown dog.
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About the club name ,we in the gpz900r owners club are now metamorphing into gpz900r and gtr1000 as the guys get older and less able to ride the sports bike for any time are now buying the gtr as their long distance tourer.
So i guess in time some amendment to the title will be required.
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Nope, I'm going to ride this bad boy until I can't ride it no more
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Nope, I'm going to ride this bad boy until I can't ride it no more
Hear Hear!
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I think there will be an ST club for a long time. There is still a GS Suzuki club and katana club, and they have not been around for ages. The ST is still a relatively modern and practical bike,
Come to think of it, I have a GS suzuki and and ST... :think1
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Marcus ,since you have a touring bike your ridding years are bound to be more than that of a sports bike rider.hey but there may come a time where the Weight is too much for you.I guess we all need to enjoy what we have for as long as we can.
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Marcus ,since you have a touring bike your ridding years are bound to be more than that of a sports bike rider.hey but there may come a time where the Weight is too much for you.I guess we all need to enjoy what we have for as long as we can.
True, and I do like looking at the different models, but I can't see myself with another bike for a very long time.
Having said that, if they release an ST with reverse then I'm all over that. :D
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I'm with you on the reverse gear.
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Looks like a cross between a sports bike and a cruiser, I'm more than happy with the :wht13 and I have no inclination or intention of "upgrading/downgrading"!! However you want to look at it. :grin
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5.1 US gallons (19.3 litres) won't cut it for me.
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It may be a great bike, but I think I would wait for the 'real' one. I am just glad that Honda did not do that the the ST1100!
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Looks a nice bike, very "pretty" but not for me. Although on a side note, I do like the seat, I wonder how comfortable it is?
The protection the ST gives you from the elements is what attracted me to it in the fist place.
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And here is some more information. Touring accessories are mentioned, as is a detuned engine.
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/eicma-2013-2014-honda-ctx1300-revealed.html (http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/eicma-2013-2014-honda-ctx1300-revealed.html)
And a video, with what looks like a must have accessory...
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/11/05/motorcycle-news/eicma-2013-2014-honda-ctx1300-first-impressions-video/ (http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/11/05/motorcycle-news/eicma-2013-2014-honda-ctx1300-first-impressions-video/)
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This is how they should have made the CTX1300
Take the front end section off it (I highlighted Green with awesome Photoshop skills :p )
And replace it with the modified front section form the Goldwing.
The rest they can leave, make the side panniers larger and the windscreen retractable chuck a reverse gear on it and bingo New model ST
IMO that look one million times better.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e276/marcusstringer/CTX1300_zps73abad7a.jpg)
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And put a 28 Litre tank on it!
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Marcus, here's a dumb question for you...as the front section bits you are talking about are simply plastic, could the change not be carried out by anyone with half a skill-set?
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I'd imagine the headlight array and button config wouldn't suit a straight conversion with the moulded plastic... I could be wrong though
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HHHMMM, good thought, Batman!!
:well :well
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Love your work Marcus, how about a top box and some silver wheels...or lighter colour I hate the black wheels.
You should have a job in Honda design and development... :thumb
This is how they should have made the CTX1300
Take the front end section off it (I highlighted Green with awesome Photoshop skills :p )
And replace it with the modified front section form the Goldwing.
The rest they can leave, make the side panniers larger and the windscreen retractable chuck a reverse gear on it and bingo New model ST
IMO that look one million times better.
([url]http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e276/marcusstringer/CTX1300_zps73abad7a.jpg[/url])
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Love your work Marcus, how about a top box and some silver wheels...or lighter colour I hate the black wheels.
You should have a job in Honda design and development... :thumb
your wish is my command
I can change the colour tomorrow when I get back to work
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e276/marcusstringer/CTX1300_1_zpsd793e76b.jpg)
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Good job with the photo-editing, Marcus! I also like your version of the bike better.
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Wouldn't take much more to turn it into and ST1300 :grin
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([url]http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e276/marcusstringer/CTX1300_1_zpsd793e76b.jpg[/url])
anyone else see the ST1100 in this picture..... :crackup
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Wow with just that change the bike looks a million times better :eek
Awesome work Marcus :-++
And yeah I agree Streak... that could be why it looks so much better :grin
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Hi All,
I was talking to the Honda dealer yesterday and he said NO MORE 'STs being produced. The only Honda tourer will be the Gold Wing. Pretty sad day if thats true. He tried to sell me the 1400GTR kawasaki as an alternative.
Cheers
Bilby
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Hi All,
I was talking to the Honda dealer yesterday and he said NO MORE 'STs being produced. The only Honda tourer will be the Gold Wing. Pretty sad day if thats true. He tried to sell me the 1400GTR kawasaki as an alternative.
Cheers
Bilby
Hi Bill,
Yes it is True, they have discontinued production of the ST1300 Completely now, and they did some excellent specials to run them out, some members got them for $15,990 ride away....
But luckly it makes the Second hand Market an excellent one to get an ST1300 :thumb
Honda are Releasing their new Smaller Tourer with the ST1300 Motor in it called the CTX1300
http://powersports.honda.com/2014/ctx1300.aspx (http://powersports.honda.com/2014/ctx1300.aspx)
here is a discussion about it
http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=5396.0 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=5396.0)
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Brilliant Marcus.... :thumbsup. Love your work mate. :thumb
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Thanks Streak. I dont find the new look appealing. I dare say sales will determine their future.
thanks again
Bill
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Whats all this crazy talk about ??? ST replacement???
You should all be happy to keep the beaSTie you have.......it's an ORSM Bike.......Shame on you all for contemplating an replacement :spank :spank :spank
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I don't think we're talkng about a replacement for the ST but it's evolution to the next model. Speaking for myself I love my ST, but by the amount I ride it will one day need to be replaced, and I for one would like to replace it with a "newer" version of the beloved ST.
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Having said that, if they release an ST with reverse then I'm all over that. :D
I thought that was called a Goldwing.
Somebody had to say it cause you all thought it.
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([url]http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e276/marcusstringer/ScreenShot2013-11-06at124555PM_zps73a4f538.png[/url])
The seat looks very comfortable, but the pillion has only been given a perch. Pockey would be miffed.
As I said in the other CTX1300 thread, I like the exposed engine look, especially if it dissipates the heat more effectively than the ST13's fairing does. More chrome to polish, but my Purple Polish would handle it.
Thats it Bill....dont see Pockey giving up her Russell for a chair like that anytime soon :wink1
:beer
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Did someone say Goldwing?
Having said that, if they release an ST with reverse then I'm all over that. :D
I thought that was called a Goldwing.
Somebody had to say it cause you all thought it.
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I don't think we're talkng about a replacement for the ST but it's evolution to the next model. Speaking for myself I love my ST, but by the amount I ride it will one day need to be replaced, and I for one would like to replace it with a "newer" version of the beloved ST.
Very well put mate :-++ my feelings exactly :clap
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Did someone say Goldwing?
Yes. Now back in your box!
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If Honda puts the same luggage on the 1300 as is on the NT700 you would be pushing to get milk and bread into them.
the N and C options looked like a possible for me till I saw the pannier setup.
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CTX1300 list of accessories
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_ctx%201300%2014.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_ctx%201300%2014.htm)
Tall Windscreen, Audio Package (for standard model), Heated Grips, Heated Grip Attachment, 12-Volt Accessory Socket, Rear Carrier, Centerstand, Chrome Handlebar Ends, Chrome Windscreen Garnish, Chrome Engine Shrouds, Chrome Back Mirror Covers, Chrome Valve Covers, Chrome Master Cylinder Cap, Chrome Clutch Lever, Chrome Brake Lever, Color-Matched 45L Rear Trunk, LED Fog Lights
I find it strange that a centre stand is an extra for a bike this size
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Me thinks that list, at Honda prices would mean a bank loan. ST topbox is over $1200.
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Has anyone seen a photo with the "tall windscreen"
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Has anyone seen a photo with the "tall windscreen"
I couldn't see the CTX1300 screen but as a best guess the CTX700 tall screen might be close as both models have a similar profile.
(http://www.imghostr.net/images/2019/04/21/c45413a65ae478f572a7e883ee6e7cf4.jpg)
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Have a look here,
http://powersports.honda.com/2014/ctx1300/innovations.aspx (http://powersports.honda.com/2014/ctx1300/innovations.aspx)
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Have a look here,
[url]http://powersports.honda.com/2014/ctx1300/innovations.aspx[/url] ([url]http://powersports.honda.com/2014/ctx1300/innovations.aspx[/url])
Six of the 15 "innovations" (disregarding integrated luggage) are already on the ST1300. Only LED lights, sound system, self cancelling indicators, LED display and TC are really new. We can do two of those for ourselves.
We lose 6 litres of fuel capacity and presumably, electric screen.
Nup. Still not convinced to trade Ruby.
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Re Windscreen NOT electric. Larger screen is option. Still no cruise control and from what I read it looses 10 litres of fuel capacity against the ST1300.
In my opinion it is more a cruiser than a sports tourers, I suppose reviews will draw this out.
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Self cancelling indicators are not new for Honda either as the Goldwing has them. Traction Control is on the 1100A model and dropped for the 1300A
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I really think it is the UGLIEST bike apart from the f6b that I have ever seen. I personaly would not waste my money, if I need to replace my beaST it would be with a Goldwing maybe an FJR at a pinch. :rd13
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Self cancelling indicators are not new for Honda either as the Goldwing has them. Traction Control is on the 1100A model and dropped for the 1300A
My old 1978 Yamaha XS650 had self cancelling indicators.
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So did my XS750 and all the Yamaha roadies of the time. Wonder why the factory dropped it?
:bl11
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So did my XS750 and all the Yamaha roadies of the time. Wonder why the factory dropped it?
What mechanism did they use? A timer?
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I don't remember exactly, but you could sit at the lights with blinker on and when you went around the corner it switched off. Maybe a mercury switch or similar.
:bl11
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Suzuki used to have it on 1980 or so on GS1000 and GS850, but I only have the workshop manula for the earlier one.
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If the ST1300 isn't replaced with something equal to what it is now or better, then unfortunately the Yamaha, Kawasaki, or BMW would have to be a consideration when mine is due for replacement. I want the Full Fairing, Luggage, Electric Windscreen and large tank. My $0.02 worth.
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It looks like from this website that there was a 2012 model of the ST1300 Available in Henry Ford's favourite colour, Black.
http://powersports.honda.com/2012/st1300/specifications.aspx (http://powersports.honda.com/2012/st1300/specifications.aspx)
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Yeah I think they only had the black ones left when they started trying to flog them off cheap
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If the ST1300 isn't replaced with something equal to what it is now or better, then unfortunately the Yamaha, Kawasaki, or BMW would have to be a consideration when mine is due for replacement. I want the Full Fairing, Luggage, Electric Windscreen and large tank. My $0.02 worth.
You forgot the Triumph Trophy- worthy of consideration. And none of them have got what we call a "large" tank.
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Another contender may be the partially water cooled BMW RT1200. It has a 30 litre tank - better than the 1600. I understand that the Trophy has a range of at least 500kms from its 26 litre tank in adverse conditions, and could manage 600 plus if there were not strong head winds. That is with all the luggage on.
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The ST1300 is still available in the US and the UK, the "Cheap" ST's were those left unsold in Australia. So if you want to buy a new ST you can probably get one out of the US, plus shipping, plus GST, plus plus plus.
So if you want a new one bad enough and have the readies you can get one.
Also, I had a 1982 Yamaha XZ550 I bought brand new in 1983 and it had self cancelling blinkers.
USA Honda site
http://powersports.honda.com/2012/st1300.aspx (http://powersports.honda.com/2012/st1300.aspx)
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I had a GS 850G 1980 model that had self canceling indicators. When needle went above 20km/hr it canceled them. Not sure how but definitely speedo driven.
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How about the trumiph trophy Test rode the 2013 model. A very nice machine with creature comforts a plently big tank (31) litres I think and a very nice riding position
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I had a GS 850G 1980 model that had self canceling indicators. When needle went above 20km/hr it canceled them. Not sure how but definitely speedo driven.
I had a silver GS850 in mid '80 a great bike my first of many shaft drive bikes :thumb :grin
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How about the trumiph trophy Test rode the 2013 model. A very nice machine with creature comforts a plently big tank (31) litres I think and a very nice riding position
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not quite right, that's a US site so it's 6.9 US gallons or 5.75 Imperial or 26.12 litres
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The Trophy has a 26 litre tank, but the range from it is in ST country - from 550kms to over 650 depending on the winds.
How about the trumiph trophy Test rode the 2013 model. A very nice machine with creature comforts a plently big tank (31) litres I think and a very nice riding position
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And just when do we get to see you on that Trophy Saaz ????
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Any ride I am on from now on. The ST is unregistered and in storage. The Robertson run was it last clean out to put fresh petrol in with some fuel stabiliser. It even has a bike cover over it!
And just when do we get to see you on that Trophy Saaz ????
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So did my XS750 and all the Yamaha roadies of the time. Wonder why the factory dropped it?
What mechanism did they use? A timer?
They operated on both time combined with a speed sensor. There was a sensor built into the speedo face, so that if speed was under a certain value, the indicator would keep running on a longer time basis (if stopped at lights or an intersection), and over that speed it worked on a longer set time. Simple, elegant and worked a treat.
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:'(
The ST is unregistered and in storage. The Robertson run was it last clean out to put fresh petrol in with some fuel stabiliser. It even has a bike cover over it!
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I apologise if someone has already put this video up but you all might like it.
2013 Sport-Touring Shootout 1.0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnkpM-OsyZg#ws)
Honda ST1300, Kawasaki Concours 14, Yamaha FL1300
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Took 5 seconds to find:
http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=3818.msg38935#msg38935 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=3818.msg38935#msg38935)
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Only if you look! :D
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SPOTTED! The CTX700 on the street...
But you'll have to work your way past the Queensland version of ATGATT.....
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131201_111108_zps8e09597d.jpg)
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131201_111125_zpsb41496ca.jpg)
(http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131201_111145_zps14d0d2c3.jpg)
There y'ar - not so bad is it? :o
Cheers, Diesel
PS - just saw on the Honda website - they have moved this bike from Sports Tourer to Tourer section! :o
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Wow hold me back!!!
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Not for this black duck
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If that dude is meant to be promoting that plug ugly motorcycle, he's done a good job of doubling the turn-off factor!!! :||||
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:|||| :|||| :|||| and now for the bike :|||| :|||| :||||
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It's not a cruiser, not a tourer, not a scooter, not an adventure bike, so it appeals to nobody, including me. What are Honda thinking? They have simply reinvented the DN01, which was a previous flop.
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You can hear it now from the honda dealers Australia WTF might have to give a free set of steak knives with this nope says another dealer maybe we could try and say its so much better that the ST1100 and ST1300 >:()
Oh what was japan thinking :well oh this is going to be popular :spank
Oh can't wait to see the police model :rofl
Turtle
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Hi All,
Not sure if anyone else has seen this or I am just slow, but check out what Honda has done with the ST 1300 engine.
http://motorcycles.honda.com.au/Latest_News/20131206/Tour_With_Technology_On_Hondas_New_CTX1300 (http://motorcycles.honda.com.au/Latest_News/20131206/Tour_With_Technology_On_Hondas_New_CTX1300)
Billy.
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Yup an ST1300 bagger......
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Yup an ST1300 bagger......
Shouldn't that be ST1300 BUGGER (as in buggered up)?
:bl11
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I don't mind it. Put a top box on and a larger screen in I could cop that. The proof will be in the riding.
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So long as your out riding with ya mates who cares
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I have merged all the conversations about the honda CTX1300 into one place so everything is here.
And from seeing the CTX700 in person it does not look to bad :thumb
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Pass >:()
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Saw one at the bike show in Sydney. The look might grow on me, not sure, would have to ride it to see if the short screen was any more than a decoration. Wouldn't consider it at all until an electronic cruise control was available. C'mon Honda, get serious!
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Just reviewing Deisel's spy photos. It must be a very good bike as obviously the rider doesn't need any safety gear.
It must have air bags huh..... :crackup
SPOTTED! The CTX700 on the street...
But you'll have to work your way past the Queensland version of ATGATT.....
([url]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131201_111108_zps8e09597d.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131201_111125_zpsb41496ca.jpg[/url])
([url]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag42/dieselst1300/20131201_111145_zps14d0d2c3.jpg[/url])
There y'ar - not so bad is it? :o
Cheers, Diesel
PS - just saw on the Honda website - they have moved this bike from Sports Tourer to Tourer section! :o
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Just noticed in pic #2- is that a Police helmet?
Obviously- he's moonlighting when off-duty as a new bike test rider!
Another thing that I just noticed: the foot position is so far forward it could only be classed as a cruiser.
Any tourer worth his salt will tell you, while the forward position is an important relief from upright, it won't do the distance on its own.
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Here's the latest effort from Honda to reassure us they are still thinking.
Whereas the F6B was a "Bagger" the F6C is supposed to be the new "Valkyrie".
Nup. Don't think so.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/news/newsresults/new-bikes/2013/november/honda-reveals-new-f6c/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/mcn/news/newsresults/new-bikes/2013/november/honda-reveals-new-f6c/)
Clever the way it makes the earth spin backwards while it burns rubber.
Nup. Not clever. Dumb.
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Ewwwww.........that fell from the ugly tree :o
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Honda certainly seem to have lost the plot. They have copied the style of the failed DN01 with the CTX's and F6's, and the VFR1200 was a dud as well. I wonder who does their research, or if they even talk to their customers. :well
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I'm sure they have a ear close to the ground when it comes to the sales market ...... They are in it to make money obviously.
It's not something I've looked at in any detail but it would be interesting to see what are the top 20 selling bikes globally
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Oh dear God it's ugly!!
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:nahnah
I Googled the CTX1300. Shit! if that is what Honda think will replace the ST1300, they have another thing coming. The engine may be the same cc, but the bike is definitely nothing near a suitable replacement. Which, in my opinion, a replacement for an old model should be an improvement. The CTX is a total piece of crap in my view. Looks like there will not be a ST1300 on the radar in the future for me. :butt to Honda, you have lost the plot.
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Maybe it will look something like this
([url]http://m.moto-station.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Honda_CTX700N_stpz-500x375.jpg[/url])
Could be that some will start looking at :-
Competitors For The Honda ST1300
• BMW K
• Kawasaki Concours 14 ABS
• Moto Guzzi Norge
• Yamaha FJR
Im using an FJR for work now that Honda wasn't supplying STs. Nice bike and handles really well but I don't know that it will have the endurance the Honda has proven to have. Not a fan of the FJRs lack of front wind protection, the screen tends to suck all the weather in around it so when it is raining you get soaked. Never had that problem with the ST screen.
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Said it before, will say it again.........vomit bike. :OldMan
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After careful consideration - NOPE ! The design team at Honda have lost the plot. (IMHO)
This new generation of 'designers' at Honda must be smoking wacky weed or something. :crazy :spank
This new thing, the CTX1300, looks just like an over sized DN01. :fp
I'll stay old fashioned and stick with my ST1100 - it will probably out last me anyway. :OldMan
Stay safe all of you. :thumbsup
Flip :grin
:wht11
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OUCH!!!!
http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/uk-road-test-honda-ctx1300-review/25452.html (http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-first-rides/uk-road-test-honda-ctx1300-review/25452.html)
"The Pan makes 118hp at 8,000rpm and 86lbft at 6,500rpm. For the CTX1300, Honda has detuned the engine to 84hp at 6,000rpm and 78lbft at 4,500. If the idea of a bagger with a V-four engine has appeal, it must be lessened by the loss of 34hp and 2,000rpm."
I thought this may have been a nice replacement to the ST (not that its going to happen anytime soon!), but not with specs like this!!!!!
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Pffft!!!
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14,999 British Pound Sterling equals $26,612.53 Australian Dollar
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19.5 litre tank. :||||
And this comment:
"Numbers can be deceptive but not in this case. The CTX doesn't have enough low-down torque to haul its 338kg quickly off the line. It's the only big bike I can remember riding which is at risk of being beaten away from lights by cars."
Oh the ignominy! :o
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I think it should be renamed the Honda 'Less'.
It has less power/torque.
Less fuel capacity.
Less suspension travel.
Less luggage space.
Less weather protection.
Less glovebox space.
Less etc. BUT, it does have more weight!
Leave this for the Yanks who think this is how a bike should look, and bring back the ST.
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Have a look at the US/Euro Honda websites, all have the ST1300/Pan European listed. There are even reviews in the US for the 2014 ST 1300.Maybe runouts but still there
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Have a look at the US/Euro Honda websites, all have the ST1300/Pan European listed. There are even reviews in the US for the 2014 ST 1300.Maybe runouts but still there
Yep it is like going to a strip club, you can look but you can't touch, I will be happy when they either take them down completly and stop the rumor mill they are still making them, or bring out a new one and stop messing around with all these other failed units....
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Have a look at the US/Euro Honda websites, all have the ST1300/Pan European listed. There are even reviews in the US for the 2014 ST 1300.Maybe runouts but still there
In reference to the post I made earlier about a new 1300 colour http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=6426.msg72554#msg72554 (http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=6426.msg72554#msg72554) it would appear that at least the UK has a 2014 model 1300 in blue
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Have a look at the US/Euro Honda websites, all have the ST1300/Pan European listed. There are even reviews in the US for the 2014 ST 1300.Maybe runouts but still there
In reference to the post I made earlier about a new 1300 colour [url]http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=6426.msg72554#msg72554[/url] ([url]http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=6426.msg72554#msg72554[/url]) it would appear that at least the UK has a 2014 model 1300 in blue
What an AWESOME colour to bring back the ST in :-++ :-++ :-++
:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :blu13 :blu13 :blu13 :grin :grin :grin :grin
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Stuart Woodbury takes one for a ride in Issue 19 (September) of Australian Motorcyclist (Bear's "new"magazine). I think he tried pretty hard to be positive about it......... Triumph and Yamaha will be happy
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$17,990 and it's yours
http://www.bikesales.com.au/demo/OAG-AD-479355/2014-Honda-CTX1300A-(ABS)?cr=0&psq=(((Make%3D%5BHonda%5D)%26(Model%3D%5BCTX1300A%20(ABS)%5D))%26(((((SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20available%5D)%7C(SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20in%20stock%5D))%7C(SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20bikes%5D))%7C(SiloType%3D%5BDemo%20%26%20near%20new%20bikes%5D))%7C(SiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20bikes%5D)))%26(Service%3D%5BBikesales%5D)&pso=0&pss=Premium (http://www.bikesales.com.au/demo/OAG-AD-479355/2014-Honda-CTX1300A-(ABS)?cr=0&psq=(((Make%3D%5BHonda%5D)%26(Model%3D%5BCTX1300A%20(ABS)%5D))%26(((((SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20available%5D)%7C(SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20in%20stock%5D))%7C(SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20bikes%5D))%7C(SiloType%3D%5BDemo%20%26%20near%20new%20bikes%5D))%7C(SiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20bikes%5D)))%26(Service%3D%5BBikesales%5D)&pso=0&pss=Premium)
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http://www.ridermagazine.com/latest-news/honda-releases-first-2015-models.htm/ (http://www.ridermagazine.com/latest-news/honda-releases-first-2015-models.htm/)
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$17,990 and it's yours
[url]http://www.bikesales.com.au/demo/OAG-AD-479355/2014-Honda-CTX1300A-(ABS)?cr=0&psq=(((Make%3D%5BHonda%5D)%26(Model%3D%5BCTX1300A%20(ABS)%5D))%26(((((SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20available%5D)%7C(SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20in%20stock%5D))%7C(SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20bikes%5D))%7C(SiloType%3D%5BDemo%20%26%20near%20new%20bikes%5D))%7C(SiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20bikes%5D)))%26(Service%3D%5BBikesales%5D)&pso=0&pss=Premium[/url] ([url]http://www.bikesales.com.au/demo/OAG-AD-479355/2014-Honda-CTX1300A-(ABS)?cr=0&psq=(((Make%3D%5BHonda%5D)%26(Model%3D%5BCTX1300A%20(ABS)%5D))%26(((((SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20available%5D)%7C(SiloType%3D%5BBrand%20new%20bikes%20in%20stock%5D))%7C(SiloType%3D%5BDealer%20used%20bikes%5D))%7C(SiloType%3D%5BDemo%20%26%20near%20new%20bikes%5D))%7C(SiloType%3D%5BPrivate%20used%20bikes%5D)))%26(Service%3D%5BBikesales%5D)&pso=0&pss=Premium)[/url]
551 km on the clock!
Didn't take someone long to get sick of it!
Maybe a Demo, but the ad usually says so if it is. And 551 is a litle high for a demo bike that's only been around a short while.
I still get flashbacks to the monsters in "Alien" when I look at the front cowl. :eek
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[url]http://www.ridermagazine.com/latest-news/honda-releases-first-2015-models.htm/[/url] ([url]http://www.ridermagazine.com/latest-news/honda-releases-first-2015-models.htm/[/url])
Good find, that one, Sab.
I could ride one of these around just for the show! I'd rather be transmitting "look at me" with style rather than 130db of engine noise like one manufacturer I won't name.
It's only got a scooter engine, but the styling is exceptional. I'd have to try that seat back thingy, it's not the best part of the bike, but might be comfortable.
And 25 colour choices for the LED display!! Honda has gone from pathetic to insane over-kill.
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I had a look through the Australian Motorcyclist test. One comment struck me - even though retuned for lower down power, it was commented that it has less midrange than the ST1300. Sort of defeats the purpose. I can just see ST1300 owners swapping parts from the CTX so that the power is less...
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Found this one with a top case
http://www.ctx1300forum.com/forum/appearance-body/4314-rear-carrier.html (http://www.ctx1300forum.com/forum/appearance-body/4314-rear-carrier.html)
(http://i57.servimg.com/u/f57/14/59/60/58/hpim2111.jpg)
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Allan,
That posting almost constitutes a life ban for gross indecency... That is one ugly mother(father/it)
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Allan,
That posting almost constitutes a life ban for gross indecency... That is one ugly mother(father/it)
:think1 Woah - is sometime trying to top my post :fp :eek :grin :grin
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Allan,
That posting almost constitutes a life ban for gross indecency... That is one ugly mother(father/it)
For reasons unknown to myself there maybe others who might consider one of these........
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I agree with Brock. The thing can't seem to be able to decide whether its a cruiser, tourer, bagger or just plain show off. Although I can't imagine anyone wanting to brag about having one.
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Well I think the guy who set it up needs to be congratulated, it's not easy making a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Although he didn't quite get the silk purse he gave it a good shot, after all he didn't have much to work with from the start, just a good engine really.
He's made the best of an awful thing.. :like ish
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On a positive note... The Pipes look Great....................................... :wht11
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I think with a decent screen it would actually look ok.
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I think with a decent screen it would actually look ok.
With you on that, although I think with and Electric Screen it would look even better. :grin
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Still... how annoying spending all that money and still have to carry your helmet around because it won't fit in the side panniers, unlike the ST1300. (not everyone would buy on with a top box)
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Yeah it just looks half finished......I think the designer called in sick on the Friday he had to have the project finished, and they just thought close enough :whistle
:beer
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Ugly as sin.
Sent from my iPad
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I'Ve read,heard in conversation with a number of ST owners re farkling their STeed with .... Bar risers..more comfortable then OEM seats. So from what I see in these photos the CTX 1300 has the ST powerhouse plus a flatter seat and bars that are more touring orientated.....so maybe worth a test ride before disregarding it as an option to the next best thing.
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The look just does not grab me. Not at all! As ppopeye reckons, It's as ugly as sin. I with you on that one.
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And from the reviews I've read it may have the 'powerhouse ' of a STeed but it does not deliver the power expected or requierd.
The shape
the look
the power .... or lack thereof
the loss of the sports aspect
nup nup nopey nope
:OldMan
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Oh well GoldWing it will be
what a premmenision
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When the time comes Rob, I think Goldwing will be my choice to.
I noticed you stayed with the blue .. Well done ++