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Farkles, Gear & Accessories => Farkles and Gear General Section => Topic started by: Streak on January 17, 2012, 05:43:02 PM
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Hi Gents,
I am preparing for my first Farride, and i am considering the single tent/swag/inflatable mattress option.
but i dont have a big budget, can people reccomend what they use, and costs? and opinons?
I am considering:
for a bed
http://www.crazysales.com.au/bestway-single-bed-air-mattress-w-pillow-67401au.html
for the tent
http://www.tentworld.com.au/showitem.aspx?item=129730
but give me your thoughts good and bad!
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That bed looks like a tight fit for the tent, you could be a little close to the roof.... :eek :eek
For ease and speed of set up / break down, perhaps a Swag and a two man dome for those iffy nights..
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I got a two man, more like a one and a half from Ananconda. It was on sale for next to nix. weighs 1.2kg and fits in the pannier.
http://www.anaconda.com.au/Product-Listing/Camp-and-Hike/Shelter/Dome-Tents
I have a Hawkesbury.
Do you have that much room to fit that size bed into your tent?
http://www.anaconda.com.au/Product-Listing/Camp-and-Hike/Sleep#c=478&fr7=&fr10=&fr13=&fr14=307&fr15=&p=1
I use hiking equipment, that way I can fit tent, mattress, sleeping bag and stove in two panniers, along with food.
:blu13
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I used a 3-man tent and an airbed back in the UK. The tent was a cheap Vango Alpha, dunno if you can get them here though.
What I did learn is, next time I will buy a tent that pitches outer-first or all in one. With my last tent, you had to pitch the inner first and then put the outer sheet over the top - if it was raining the whole thing got soaked.
The airbed was just a single camping one. I think you can get them in K-Mart for $15 or so. We bought some a few months back to sleep on until our bed arrived - slept on them for about a month and they were pretty comfy.
I think that mattress in the link looks a bit too thick.
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No idea about what you have but for me I always have a tent that I can stand up in. At times for a single overnighter I have a coleman 3 manner, but for more than 1 night its always a tent I can stand up in. Theirs more room, places for your gear and if it rains the extra room just makes things better than constantly trying to avoid hitting the side of the tent?????? and laying bloody down all the time. And air beds are good
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so how do you fit it in? the tents i am looking at take up a fair wack of the top box, and when you add mattress, and stuff, means you dont have alot of room left
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Just ocky it onto your passenger seat, put your sleeping bag on top and away you go. If you got one of them collapsable askys you can put that below the tent. If you do it right you got a bit of a back rest. Just remember to get some decent Ocky straps, like them flat ones from Kmart. Hmmm now you got a top box for stuff, a pannier for stuff and a pannier for a bag of ice or 2 and some food. That is if you have aST1100 that has decent panniers.
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so how do you fit it in? the tents i am looking at take up a fair wack of the top box, and when you add mattress, and stuff, means you dont have alot of room left
Hi Streak,
Can sum it in one word.........Trailer. Sooner or later if your planning the long distance trips it's by far the better option. Which is whay I have a :bl11
Oherwise,
My dome tent when in its bag will easily strap in front of top case. Sleeping bag in front of that. Not much good if the partner is with you but.
When packing air beds you need to keep them away from hard surfaces as it's quite possible to wear a hole in them. Even the trailer we wrap ours in a towel.
Keep the top box for lighter gear and stuff you might need along the way, heavier items in the side case to keep weight lower and try to balance the load. makes the bike more stable.
Most of it's trial and error stuff and a big learning curve.
:bl11
Alan
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yep, i dont get to do many though, hence why i am just trying to find a simple cost effective setup, that i can put away and pull out when i need it
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Well this is what i just ordered, all i need to get is the 12V air pump and we shall see what falls out, worse comes to worse i have not spent much and the experiment failed :p
I went cheap as I want to see how it all works
1 x 3 Man Double Layer Dome Tent $39.95
1 x Caribee Glacial Bay Jumbo Sleeping Bag - 0 degrees $39.95
1 x Bestway Comfort Quest Flocked Single Air Mattress $14.95
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Hey Streak, I bought one of these weather proof bags which I use to put extra gear in. It's as tough as and straps nicely to the back seat. I reckon it would be ideal for keeping all your camping gear together.
http://theluggageprofessionals.com.au/caribee-kokoda-65-weather-proof-bag.html
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Mate I use a Hennessy hammock. It comes with a water proof fly, fully zippered ful screen net and weighs next to nothing and packs up to a very small package. Cost $200 delivered from the states. Works for me and a few guys I recommended this to swear by it so yeah my 2c's ;-)
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Now that hammocks kool. Heres a Vid. http://hennessyhammock.com/
Just one thing though??????? what happens if theirs no trees
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Now that hammocks kool. Heres a Vid. [url]http://hennessyhammock.com/[/url]
Just one thing though??????? what happens if theirs no trees
Yep thats them :thumbsup. in relation to your qestion tho, Im pretty sure he's not doing the Dakar Rally and seeing as this is Australia, trees wouldnt be a problem :crackup :crackup :crackup
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:wht11 py
And How about this as an accessory
http://www.12volt-travel.com/12-volt-travel-coffee-mugs-c-98.html
They even have a electronic siren come PA unit
and a Klaxan Horn
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A TV would be nice for those boring trips while riding along. I have some space up the front for one :think1
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so how do you fit it in? the tents i am looking at take up a fair wack of the top box, and when you add mattress, and stuff, means you dont have alot of room left
This is what my 13 looks like fully loaded. Camping gear - top box, recovery gear and tool box - rhs pannier, wet weathers, extra shoes, general crap - lhs pannier, clothes and electronic gadgets - tank bag, tent, bed roll, camp chair - pillion seat. All up weight 5.63 tonnes! :rofl
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2wd8rc9.jpg)
I have always been accused of taking waaaaay too much tho - just in case! :wink1
Cheers, Diesel
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Bloody amatuer Diesal.
Heres a pick of the bike last trip to Victoria last time this time of the year.
Hears a list of the gear
On the Dash: GPS, VHF, FM radio,Spot tracker, tyre pressure guage/reader with inbuilt light
Tank Bag: 3x2mtr tarp, Fuel stove, Coffee, sugar, 3 tins of food, lamp for tent, torch, muesli bars,tin cup, camping atlas, small umbrella, spare glasses, camelbak, 12v compressor, map? and a few other things
Passenger seat: sleeping bag, 3/4 man tent, chair, callapsable esky;
DRYrider bag: single air bed, clothes 2 sets, wind cheater jumper, tracky dacks, 10" laptop, more food and whatever else fits in
Left pannier: shoes, wet weather gear, couple of full size screwdrivers, full water bottle, hat and stuff.
Right pannier empty, so I can put ice, food and cans of drink in it before I stop for the night, weekend, whatever???
Under the seat: Starcom Digital
Under the seat at the back in the rear guard: Slime compressor with worms and spare fuse in it, puncture repair tools, ST1100 tool kit with a couple of extra tools, plastic tape, stubby philips head screwdriver and stuff
Right hand pocket lockable: USB bizzo that fits in my cig lighter so I can plug in things to charge Link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Universal-USB-Car-Socket-Charger-F-iPhone-3G-3GS-Orange-/140576345920?pt=AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item20bb00cf40
Charging stuff for phone and spare MP3 and other stuff
Left hand side pocket: compression bandages and a one of those things on a coil I put down under my side stand when its a bit soft Link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Side-Stand-Support-Plate-GP-/310353896243?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item484288a333
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/terryjohns/Honda%20ST1100/IMGP1855.jpg)
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Ha! you didn't mention:
The family beagle; the leg hair exfoliator, the turban OR the aromatherapy kit! Call yourself a biker eh? ROOKIE! :crackup
By the way - has that tank bag ever moved around Terry? It's a magnetic one yes? You have shown us pics of the washers on your tank bag - just wondering what sort of grip it has fully loaded?
Cheers
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Hi Terry,
I notice the towbar on the 1100. I take it you don't have a trailer if you're loading that much on the bike.
Mind you after nearly six years towing a trailer with my 1100 I see in the owners manual today that the bike isn't designed to tow a trailer. :crackup
Rather funny considering I got a trailer B4 the bike. With a partner a trailer is not an option.
:bl11
Alan
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Diesal, mate, how many times do I have to tell yah that I'm not a biker, I'm just an old bikie and have always been one :thumbsup
The tank bag has never moved. The washers I stuck on the leathercover do the job really well and theirs a strap that wraps around under the bars.
Alan,I've had a Classic trailer for years, theirs a picture of it here near the bootom of the page: Link http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=227.0
When I travel by myself I never take the trailer, but from memory :think1 have taken it maybe once when by myself, and thats because I was taking gear for another rider
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Well not bad going I ordered my gear on Tuesday night, and Delivered today, not bad at all, i have lots of little extra's to get, but all in all not bad for 194 delivered,
1 single air bed
1 queen air bed
1 three man dome tent
2 0 degree sleeping bags (able to connect together)
I just have to get a couple more things and i am good to do
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd499/ozstoc/CampingGear.jpg)
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You want to put a quenn and a single in a three man tent?????
In the words of "The Castle" Tell im hes dreamin.... :think1 :think1 :think1
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lol no no, it was a good buy to get it together, planning for taking myself alone, and of course taking the boss with me as well, you know sometimes you have to play politics to get what you want :thumbsup
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Left hand side pocket: compression bandages and a one of those things on a coil I put down under my side stand when its a bit soft Link: [url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Side-Stand-Support-Plate-GP-/310353896243?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item484288a333[/url]
ordered one of these last night, look the goods terry, and i also ordered today:
12V Pump http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/250969494519?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_2022wt_1139
Hat Light http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FISHING-HEADLAMP-CAMPING-Clip-On-HAT-CAP-LIGHT-11-LED-inc-Batteries-/250920567448?pt=AU_Accessories_Tackle&hash=item3a6c080298#ht_2774wt_1045
Inflatable Pillow http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/230683695197?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_1745wt_1037
my thoughts at this stage are to camp, not sure on the cooking and food side of things though, what are the best ways around that.
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ate those plastic things for the sidestand are just a gift. I've usd mine a zillion times. Get a hold of one of those plastic coil things that come with disk locks that you put from the lock to the handlebar. That way when your ready to take off you just grab it and its in your hand. And that 12v pumps best put where you can grab it first thing when you stop so its blowing up your air bag while your putting up you tent
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/terryjohns/IMG_0501.jpg)
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For food, you could try those freeze dried food packs available at camping disposal stores. They are similar to the modern Military ration packs (Aust not yank MREs), Just add boiling water to the packet, stir and let sit for a while and you have a hot meal in a bag.
I dont know how they taste, and they are a little exy
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So many ideas. (Especially from Diesel - just take everything,)
Three man tent will fit in top box. Single inflatable bed (make sure it is long enough for you, some are short) and rechargable air compressor - both woolies or k mart. My bed is sold under the camping gear of that Blue *&^%$$ Ettinghouser.
Minus 5 degree sleeping bag is small. Still room for clothes around this lot or as suggested put it on pillion seat.
FarRiding your not gonna want to be cooking or similar.
Get yourself a good thermos. Coffee tea when you want.
And a little tarp. I've blown up the matress, thrown the tarp over the top and slept on a table in one of the roadside picnic places.
And get a marine grade cigarette lighter thingo - and a cable to plug into it for your mobile. Can also be used for compressors with the right attachment but make sure the motor is running.
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They are similar to the modern Military ration packs (Aust not yank MREs), Just add boiling water to the packet, stir and let sit for a while and you have a hot meal in a bag.
When I did my military gig a dehidrated ration pack would be in the bin. Better things to do with the water I'd carry. Yeap can just imagine sitting down waiting for the water to boil so I could have a feed. Yah got to be able to eat on the run
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I have it on good authority, that the SAS in Iraq ate them with cold water. Reason being, the smell of hot beef curry would have carried for miles. They also had cold coffee.
Those guys dure are tough.. :eek :eek :eek
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Terry, you've done the "grunt" thing pls tell all the folks here how to live light for three days on a farRide.
one day out, another at lunch and one day home - how much do you reallyhave to carry. Remember the west is far less populated than our side so include tucker.
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I have it on good authority, that the SAS in Iraq ate them with cold water. Reason being, the smell of hot beef curry would have carried for miles. They also had cold coffee.
Those guys dure are tough.. :eek :eek :eek
Hmmm eating em cold eh. Suppose when they swelled in your guts because of the heat it must of been good. Worked with a frew of those blokes when I done my time, actually shared a room with one. All I know is I'd never waste my time with em, none of the blokes I worked with would of carried em, but a pocket full of jelly babies and a heap of those packets of sugar you get at Maccas served their purpose really good at times.
Dunno about em being tough????? but do know they know how to do their job very very well.
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Terry, you've done the "grunt" thing pls tell all the folks here how to live light for three days on a farRide.
one day out, another at lunch and one day home - how much do you reallyhave to carry. Remember the west is far less populated than our side so include tucker.
Mate theirs not much to a Faride me thinks. When I'm travelling I stop when I want to, rest when I want to, and do what I want to. All I know is that I adverage around the 85KPH no matter how many times I stop or eat or whatever, lke 13hrs to do 1000 kays. I have always in my tank bag my fuel stove, one of those tubes of coffee and milk, som bikkies, muesli bars, and cans of food and a few lighters, so when I stop I can always have a cuppa and a feed no matter where I am. I also have a least one bottle of water somewhere as well and my Touring jacket has a camelbak built into it.
As to the living light???????? well when I did the Faride thing I just slept on the side of the road like normal, but the ledgends and experts that were on the same faride that spent ages telling me at a stop about so called Faride motels and stuff all slept at Motels or Caravan Park cabins??????.
So I wreckon leave the living light to the ledgends and experts and just gear up and go for it
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/terryjohns/Honda%20ST1100/IMG_0426.jpg)
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trouble with the rations is they are designed to stop body functions. Eat and then don't expect to crap for a while.
FarRides are just a little over rated by some people. Good day out with Diesel et al is usually a bit over 400 klicks with two stops. then there is the ride home so you may have confortably clocked 500k. you can stop then and do the next 500 the following day.
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trouble with the rations is they are designed to stop body functions. Eat and then don't expect to crap for a while.
FarRides are just a little over rated by some people. Good day out with Diesel et al is usually a bit over 400 klicks with two stops. then there is the ride home so you may have confortably clocked 500k. you can stop then and do the next 500 the following day.
Well Diesel and i are planning my first FarRide to Nambucca heads, but that is a sensible 1000km in 24 hours, i am not sure if i will get to the 2000km in 24 hours mark, but i do enjoy a challenge.
we all like different things :)
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I plan on getting to Nambucca Heads on the Friday night then finishing off in the morning. I will have gone from Canberra to Bathurst in the meantime though to get to my starting point just for a ride to start things off.
400 with two stops?? that is more like a latte ride. When I get going I don't stop much, hence the lack of photos and ride reports..thats my story anyway.
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You know, everyone I met on the road that does big kays always does them the same. Now not talking about fariders just others I have met since the early seventies. They all start off when the sun starts to show. That way buy lunchtime the've done say 550/600 kays. Have some lunch, maybe a bit of a kip, and then maybe another 400 by say around the 7.00/7.30pm mark. None of em count how long they stop. All of em fill up on petrol when they stop, all of em stop when they want and all of em take the time to look around. Works for everytime.
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Made that start at sun up - big mistake. Coming back from Adeliade was set for an ironbutt. Cruised gently and was on target till the bloody goats took out my average for a 200km stretch. Then the guy who cleans up the roo carcasses suggested a stop for the night. Seems he was a very busy boy. Sun up following day hit road to try a restart but was going east and guess what had a beautiful sunrise and after emblazoned on the eyeballs and those bloody furry things at the side of the road hadn't gone to bed. Made two 1200km days but the extra 400kms went awol
Lesson learnt - next time go west for the majority I think then turn back when the suns well up.
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Mate I'd give it away. Cant ride in the morning???? cant ride into the sun, cant ride at night, me thinks you should get a boat :rofl
But "WOW" to do 1200 kays when you cant leave in the morning or ride at night is bloody huge
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Give it away - sorry Terry find that one a little hard to swallow.
Just bad planning on my behalf.
Didn't realise the road was going to put the sun directly on the centre line as it came up.
And for most of the early hours it was ride with one hand up trying to block it.
Followed a truck from 8.30pm till 9.30pm trying to use it as a bulldozer but got tired of dodging the roadkill. As the bloke predicted.
Next time early rise go west with sun behind then back east with sun behind. Sounds like a plan for the nambucca ride.
Cruise around 110/120 and given stops it comes back on your 85kph average.
Any faster and I'm tiring myself from the extra concentration. Seems without trying the bike sets a comfy pace for chewing the kms.
think we've hijacked this thread for long enough. Back to streak and his camping needs,eh
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I have always in my tank bag my fuel stove, one of those tubes of coffee and milk, som bikkies, muesli bars, and cans of food and a few lighters, so when I stop I can always have a cuppa and a feed no matter where I am. I also have a least one bottle of water somewhere as well and my Touring jacket has a camelbak built into it.
([url]http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b268/terryjohns/Honda%20ST1100/IMG_0426.jpg[/url])
You didn't mention the AEROSOL SPRAY PAINT CANS you used to decorate your digs for the night Terry. :rofl
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Nice ride ya got coming up Saaz. Had to do Melbourne Bathurst (pissed rain all the way from pucka) just three days after buying a motoguzzi lemans with the concrete seat. Photographed the Easter bike races and then had to turn around on the Tuesday morning and do it again to get back to work by 6pm.
There used to be an awesome corner on the Olympic way. huge long curve I can remember gassing the guzzi through to an exit speed of 180 but have done the road three times since and can't find it. Bummer.
Really really thankful now for the comforts of an ST.
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As for distance - though I've regularly done 1,000 to 1,200k in a day to get somewhere by a certain time, my preference is to keep down around 800k. For me the ride is definitely about the ride, but probably more about the camaraderie. I like to be off the bike by around 4.30 - 5pm and on the verandah of some pub somewhere bullshitting about the ride and the World in general. I don't care about getting a shower or a feed, I just want to talk to someone after spending 10 hrs plus locked inside a helmet.
As for the camping equipment - forget the swag - they're too big too carry and too small to fit your gear inside or get dressed in in the morning when it's pissing down outside. Get at least a 2 or 3 man tent so you have room for your gear inside and are still able to get your gear on inside before emerging into the elements.
For a bed, my preference is for a 3/4 self inflating mattress, probably not as comfortable as an inflatable mattress, but easier to inflate without the necessity of taking a pump of some kind and easy to pack down to a reasonable size. Be warned though, the cheap variety self-inflatable is not worth having, they are either too thin or the outer shell is too flexible so they turn into a quasi-inflatable that doesn't work at all. I've tried a few and my current one is a Black Wolf which is good. You can get full length but it's just that bit more packing space.
For a sleeping bag, ensure you get one big enough to fit comfortably into and it's very handy if they come with one of those compressible bags, so you can pull it down to minimal size to save packing space. I prefer to be able to get all of the above and my cooking gear into my Top Box, but if I take the 3 man tent, I have to put it across the back seat because the spars are to long to fit.
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Beatup, the Olympic Way is not too bad a road these days, but I haven't done the full length for ages. The trucks may use the Hume and cut up inland a bit more these days. The Bathurst-Taralga road is a ripper these days, as is the Gunning-Collector road (there is one corner where you have to watch your head as their is a guide post ride on the apex). If I start at a decent time I will do both. Doing those roads does not feel like you have done any distance when you stop.
:hijacked
I have always had a thing for Guzzis since seeing a few 850s and thinking they would make a great touring bike (but at the time I had a Honda CD175 so anyhting bigger looked like a touring bike). Latest ones look reliable and functional, but still quirky. Perhaps I should never ride one as my dreams may be shattered. The stelvio with the big tank looks like a good adventure bike.
:wht11
And just back on the camping thing. These days I carry a compact dome tent (if required) and a thermarest and sleeping bag. Compact cooking gear and a few tins and supplies (if required) :eat. All fits within lockable storage on the bike. If I don't take the topbox the sleeping bag and thermarest get tied on the back seat. For trips doing more the tourist/riding thing, some more thing are strapped to the seat to allow for more items you need. I have two gearsacks, so they can be called on the be my extra waterproof storage. The topbox is really handy, as it can hold ice and beer/softdrink/milk cold for ages :beer. I used to use a tankbag on the GS1000, but with lockable storage on the ST I prefer that. I have some beestem saddlebag liners that I have yet to use, but will set them up so it is easier to take things inside.
I used to use a gearsack and throw over saddlebags, and they work fine as well. Well, I used a cheap duffle bag first up but I carry more things these days ::)
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comments abt compression bags are worth noting.
Amazing how small a package the bags become.
And more importantly if you like changing clothes regularly they make it into a small neat parcel for stowing.
different sizes at the camping shops.
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With it being 1000k, why not do that in a day?
Then you don't have to carry so much gear.
:blu13
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We have certain times we have to do it in, we cannot start until 12.30pm so we thought 500 first day, 500 second makes good sense
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You could do it in a day and do 500 there and 500 back (or 500 to anywhere else really) but then you don't get to stay around where everyone else is. Just depends on what you want to do really. You could live next door to the check in and then go 1000kms somewhere else if that is what you wanted. Just depends if you want formal recognition of the ride, or just ride. I went to a few events without bothering to meet any particular requirements.
I am hanging around to get Streak to shout all the Ozstoc members all night :)
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I am hanging around to get Streak to shout all the Ozstoc members all night
Say the what now....
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:beer :beer
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And since I have 2 shirts :beer :beer :beer :beer