Comparing the bikes, did I do the right thing? What next for my St1100?
1998 Honda ST1100AW Vs 2010 Yamaha XT1200zz Super Tenere
Honda St1100 Specifications:
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_st1100_abs_95.htmlEngine capacity - 1084cc, Power - 101.4hp/74kW at 7500 rpm, Torque 111 Nm at 6000 rpm, 5 speed manual transmission, Weight (dry) 297 kg, Seat height 800mm/31.5", Fuel capacity 28 litres
My personal and recent fuel consumption (two up) 47.8 mpg, 5.9 l/100km.
Yamaha XT1200 Specifications:
https://bikez.com/motorcycles/yamaha_xt1200z_super_tenere_2010.phpEngine capacity - 1199cc, Power - 110hp/80.3kW at 7250 rpm, Torque 114.1Nm at 6000 rpm, 6 speed manual transmission, Weight (wet) 261 kg, Seat height 845mm/33.3", Fuel capacity 23 litres
My personal and recent fuel consumption (two up) 52.5 mpg, 5.4 l/100km.
The speedo on the ST (ST1100) is more accurate than the speedo on the ST (Super Tenere). The Yamaha reads 100kph when it is actually closer to 90. This may be just my bike because I haven't heard of others having the same thing).
I have owned the ST1100 for over 9 years and travelled ~60,000k's. I have owned the XT1200 for 7 months and travelled ~5000 k's.
XT1200 Issues and positives:
The biggest issue for me was wrist pain, most likely due to vibration and poor initial riding position.
They bike came with 1" risers. I have already adjusted the handlebars and the levers for a more relaxed riding position.
I have just ordered a very special set of handlebars that should fix this problem.
https://fasstcoaustralia.com.au/collections/adventure/products/flexx-handlebar-adv?variant=31134406508588The case locks on the Yamaha are a PITA. You have to use the key to open every time, and the locks are tight and can cause the key to break if you are ham fisted. You also need to use the key in the same lock to remove the cases.
There is no doubt that this bike tips, leans and turns more accurately then the Honda, and is very easy to ride through corners (surprisingly so). Even seems to be easier to scrape the pegs.
Instant throttle response. It feels like it has more get up and go than the Honda but in fairness... I haven't really touched the Honda to keep it in top tune.
No bottoming out while two up.
ST1100AW Issues and positives:
The biggest issue for me has been the bike bottoming out while two-up.. no added gear.
I also had some wrist pain on the Honda over longer trips, but I cured most of this by raising the handlebars (2" Roxx risers) and I adjusted bar and lever positions.
My second issue was seat comfort with the stock seat. I researched how to modify a seat and then gave it a go. It cost me just over $100 to have it recovered. The seat is now nearly perfect and very comfortable.
My ST1100 with fairing extenders and mirror wind deflects and better screen has outstanding weather protection in rain. I can keep mostly dry while riding in rain. On the Yamaha I will get wet if it rains.
It's a 5 speed transmission compare to the 6 of the Yamaha BUT it seems higher geared because it doesn't seem to matter. The gearshift is more notchy on the Honda than the Yamaha, tho.
The Honda's gearbox has one simple benefit for me... once I am in top gear then the gearshift doesn't catch when I try to go for another gear (the gear selector becomes light if I try for another gear). In other words it is easy for me to know that I am in the highest gear. On the Yamaha the gearshift still catches once in top gear. If I don't keep track of gear selection while going through the gears on the Yamaha then I often try to select a 7th gear because the gear selector feels like there is another gear to come.. hopefully that makes sense.
The Honda doesn't tip and turn as easily as the Yamaha BUT it doesn't have to. It is sooo progressive through the turns.. not as responsive but then again it's not designed for off-road work. Makes for relaxing touring.
The engine is the same... it's not as peaky or responsive as the Yamaha, but it is sooo smooth and relaxed and growls rather than barks on hard acceleration. It really is a delight to ride.
I prefer the case locks on the Honda but that have fowled up at times where I had to remove them and repair them.. but at least you don't need to use the key to open and close the lids.
The rear brake on the Yamaha is more responsive. Both bikes have ABS and traction control. On the Honda you never know it's there. The brakes work so well.. on great surfaces. The brakes on the Yamaha have felt .. odd.. on loose gravel at times, but not a problem. Tenere owns highly recommend an ABS bypass switch if you want to take it on loose surfaced tracks. I have had the traction control light blink a few times (ST1100) on hard acceleration on slippery surfaces. The light is a subtle indication that the Honda has just saved your A$$.
The Honda feels lower, smoother, more progressive than the Yamaha. For me, the looks of the Honda don't get dated. It remains a really nice looking bike. Everything works and feels good quality. The rear shock needs a better alternative and more options/choices.
The Yamaha is very easy to ride and it needs to be to better tackle tracks and trails. I really like riding this bike and it look fantastic (to me). It is a little less known that BMW Adventure bikes (I hardly ever see others on the road). If you want to travel and visit out of the way spots then the Yamaha may be a better option. I am confident on taking the Honda on dirt roads but in standard form they are not design to go too far off a good road. Could an ST1100 be adventure modified?
Some footage of the Yamaha in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YQhSQCX-Nw&t=60s Where do I go to now, with the ST1100? What's it's future?