99 1100 converted to abs +

[royst1100]

would anyone know how hard and what would be involved in converting 1999 excop bike into top spec ABS and traction. would it be ful mew wire harness are is there connections for subharness. i know brakes are different calipers and disc`s

[alans1100]

The cost alone would be more than buying an A model bike. Be easier to transfer police panels etc to an A model
I put the pics in to show the visible differences

But you would need at least:-

Apart fron the visible stuff there's the ABS electronic inside LH fairing so LH air tube has to go

Instrument cluster - A model has traction control and ABS warning lights



A model front forks as
 
  new front forks as anti dive system is on RH for on ABS version



 Brake delay valve above calliper




secondary master cylinder on left fork



New coolant overflow bottle which goes to RH rear of motor
front and rear ABS modulators, (rear one goes into base model coolant overflow position



Traction control on/off and ABS warning reset (?) switches below LH fairing pocket

[Brock]

Not forgetting the front mudguard. Probably have to replace a lot of the braking plumgingd as well. The wiring isnt present in the police model, and isnt a add on sub harness. If you knew what you were doing, then the wiring would be doable.

Really, is the cost and effort worth it..

[royst1100]

i have a ex police! no panels (been down the road) needs new forks anyway ,small fire damaged some wireing. also have 95% of brakes componantes and wheels, diffs and so on from a trike conversion project of a friend. just a thouht as my 90 model has nealy 200k on clock, 99 model has 56k. looks like a longer rebuild may take longer than first planned i might just do it

[terrydj]

"Why"

[Brock]

Just transplant the engine from the cop bike if you must, it would be much easier and cheaper.

[royst1100]

it was just a thought. to many problems to transplant, dont think to much damage to 99 model just low speed slide

[terrydj]

I have the ABS and the Traction control on my bike????? but don't think it has ever worked since I have owned the bike
I know I removed one globe that kept blinking and in the past month another has started blinking so out it will go too.

[alphafang]

Rear drive hub on the ABS/TCS/LBS is different with the mount for the speed pick up. Not a cheap item.
I have done away with the whole system on my 99, It's been a pain from day one of ownership. I have pulled all the fuses and lamps.

[royst1100]

thats the type of info im after as i already have that type of parts. the only part needed is wireing and some insidentals. by the way some are saying,  its not worth the effort for the result

[alphafang]

I have to agree with it been too much work for the end result.
It would be interesting to know if the accident rate is less with ABS bikes pro-rata to none ABS bikes. Not an answer that I would like to try and solve.
If I was looking for a replacement ST the issue of whether it was ABS or not wouldn't come in to play with making a final choice.

[Aj1300]

You might be creatting alot of work out of this project and stress. You only need a broken wire in the job and you will be pulling your hair out, good luck with it 

[Tipsy]

  py
I was thinking of working on my abs but after looking at all that stuff covering them I decided against it.  so more  while I ponder the situation,
I love pondering 

Tipsy

[royst1100]

the question i often ask is why police dont use abs. do they need it or is it a hindrance

[Biggles]

the question i often ask is why police dont use abs. do they need it or is it a hindrance

There's a body of belief that if you are trained to a high level and very competent, you will stop the bike faster than ABS can do it.
I think that assumes a lot, and like to think the ABS will take care of any wheel lockup due to wet or slippery surface.
It's also the case that not everyone is a hotshot, and ABS will help them stop more safely.
I've demonstrated it to myself and others on a Cornering and Braking training day when I stopped within the box effortlessly from 80 kph where others were skidding through the box locked up and smoking.

[Whizz]

On the other hand there is a school of thought that says that one option when all else fails is to lock the back wheel, slide the bike round sideways and lay it down, gracefully(?). Obviously you can't so this if you can't get the back wheel to lock as in ABS!

Personally I prefer the thought process that goes, ABS means I cannot lock the back wheel no matter how hard  stand on the brakes and this is going to mean that my braking is more efficient ('cause I don't loose traction) therefore I am going to stop quicker than if I didn't have it and have the back wheel smoking but not rotating.

[Biggles]

On the other hand there is a school of thought that says that one option when all else fails is to lock the back wheel, slide the bike round sideways and lay it down, gracefully(?). Obviously you can't so this if you can't get the back wheel to lock as in ABS!

Personally I prefer the thought process that goes, ABS means I cannot lock the back wheel no matter how hard  stand on the brakes and this is going to mean that my braking is more efficient ('cause I don't loose traction) therefore I am going to stop quicker than if I didn't have it and have the back wheel smoking but not rotating.

You're right about the not locking up and not smoking the tyres part.

I've done a few HART courses and they are dead set against the "Lay it down" emergency routine.  They reckon if that's the best you can do to save the day, you've missed a lot of other opportunities leading up the that.  In other words, it's a pretty dumb strategy to have as a first response.

[Whizz]

Hi Biggles, you'll notice that I said "...when all else fails" i.e. this is the last resort, not the first.