Author Topic: First tip over... Duh (Read 3288 times)

Wheelbarrow · « **on:** June 19, 2015, 05:24:43 PM »

Ok, so it happened. She keeled over. BUT: I was 800 km's away when it happened.

I had the bike parked temporarily on a hard stand with road base. We had some heavy rain totally unexpected, soaking the ground and the side stand pushed into the ground and over she went. My missus was alone at home, sending the pic. I freaked out. Later on she (all 55kg's of her with my daughters b/f ) straightened her up! Both of them are not riders and I was impressed about their efforts. More so about the sturdy quality of the bike. Not even a scratch! What an awesome machine!

Nigel · « **Reply #1 on:** June 19, 2015, 05:45:43 PM »

Geez, well done.........................I thought you had just rotated the pic........

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StinkyPete · « **Reply #2 on:** June 19, 2015, 06:08:04 PM »

Welcome to the "Tip Over" club. There are many distinguished members here....

Nigel · « **Reply #3 on:** June 19, 2015, 06:17:29 PM »

Yes, have to confess been there done that.......................few scars on left mirror...............................

ppopeye · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2015, 07:37:58 PM »

I am also a member of that exclusive club. One harmless. One reasonably expensive

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Wheelbarrow · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:29:42 PM »

Guys, thanks for accepting me in this exclusive club. ( or is it inclusive after all, eh?)
I'm a firm believer about learning from stuff ups . And this is not going to happen again.
The next step is to learn from other people's mistakes so I can prevent a tip over when I'm even near my ST. I noticed that at speed the STeed is indeed well behaved. The normal low speed stuff seems to be manageable too.
Now I want to learn precision low speed handling and could imagine that there are challenges ahead.
Anyone any pointers and advice? I don't want to tip her over in anger!

Biggles · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:30:58 PM »

I'm a multi-member. I stopped paying my subs, so haven't had one for a couple of years now.
Yeah, I know- putting the mockers on...

Wheelbarrow · « **Reply #7 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:41:18 PM »

Biggles, I would sure take your advice avoiding paying subs, mate! What did you stop doing preventing it?

StinkyPete · « **Reply #8 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:46:30 PM »

My advice would be to undertake some post license training with an accredited motorcycle trainer. They can teach you the techniques for slow speed maneuvering.

Brock · « **Reply #9 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:52:13 PM »

Invest in a high quality sky hook, and always leave it fitted according to manufacturers instructions.

With low speed handling, look where you want to go, no looking at where you could fall down cos you will.

Biggles · « **Reply #10 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:55:12 PM »

Quote from: Wheelbarrow on June 19, 2015, 08:41:18 PM

What did you stop doing preventing it?

I think you're asking what changed to reduce the incidence.

For one thing- don't do U-turns in 2nd gear. If you get too slow with the clutch engaged, she'll stall and drop like a rock.

Don't park on surfaces that leave the bike near-vertical. It only takes a negative thought by the bike and she'll fall to the downhill side which is the worst possible scenario, because mirrors get smashed.

That's two. You can find more for yourself, as you've already begun doing. To stop that one happening again, make yourself a plywood puck to carry in the pie-warmer to put under the side stand. There's a photo of one in the forum with a string to tie to the handlebar so you can pull it up without bending down and having the bike fall on you leg (another bag look).

Wheelbarrow · « **Reply #11 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:56:17 PM »

Thanks stinking one, thought about that. Here at the bum end of the world (Rockhampton) they offer QRide courses ( for total beginners) not so much post licence quality education.

Maybe I have to do the Lone Ranger approach on a deserted parking lot. At least nobody is laughing about my efforts then....

Biggles · « **Reply #12 on:** June 19, 2015, 09:00:21 PM »

Quote from: Wheelbarrow on June 19, 2015, 08:56:17 PM

Maybe I have to do the Lone Ranger approach on a deserted parking lot. At least nobody is laughing about my efforts then....

Get a bunch of cheap or expired tennis balls and cut them in half. Line them up about 3 metres apart and go slaloming. Good positive down pressure on the bars to get the swing going. Try different body positions to find the one the makes it feel easy and smooth.

Then put two 5 metres apart and do figure 8s. Adjust the distances to make it easier or harder as you go.

Totgas · « **Reply #13 on:** June 19, 2015, 09:06:56 PM »

Quote from: Wheelbarrow on June 19, 2015, 08:29:42 PM

Guys, thanks for accepting me in this exclusive club. ( or is it inclusive after all, eh?)
I'm a firm believer about learning from stuff ups . And this is not going to happen again.
The next step is to learn from other people's mistakes so I can prevent a tip over when I'm even near my ST. I noticed that at speed the STeed is indeed well behaved. The normal low speed stuff seems to be manageable too.
Now I want to learn precision low speed handling and could imagine that there are challenges ahead.
Anyone any pointers and advice? I don't want to tip her over in anger!

Highly recommended and a car park in which to practice (with those tennis balls mentioned).

https://www.ridelikeapro.com/

A.

StinkyPete · « **Reply #14 on:** June 19, 2015, 09:11:13 PM »

Quote from: Wheelbarrow on June 19, 2015, 08:56:17 PM

Thanks stinking one ....

The technique for slow speed turns is.....
1. Select First Gear
2. Hold a constant throttle and slip the clutch while controlling your speed with the foot brake (This takes all the snap or backlash out of the drive and stops the jerking)
3. Turn your head and look where you want to go
4. Practice increases skill and confidence

This still won't stop you from dropping the bike when your foot slips on a piece of gravel, and she goes down before you know it, so watch your footing carefully as you walk her backwards. This has been my downfall a couple of times.

West Aussie Glen · « **Reply #15 on:** June 20, 2015, 12:24:24 AM »

And if the worst does happen these will help to limit any damage:-

http://www.bygdawg.com/

You need to click on the photos on the left to get the full story

Biggles · « **Reply #16 on:** June 20, 2015, 09:06:26 AM »

The downside I see with those crash bars is the loss of an essential inch of foot space for the pillion, placing their toe against your heel.

West Aussie Glen · « **Reply #17 on:** June 20, 2015, 10:42:11 AM »

Quote from: Biggles on June 20, 2015, 09:06:26 AM

The downside I see with those crash bars is the loss of an essential inch of foot space for the pillion, placing their toe against your heel.

I have these installed

http://www.motorcyclelarry.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_3&products_id=4

and they move the pillion feet out from behind the rider so it is not a problem for me. Just lucky that Theresa is tall enough so that the pillion foot peg extensions suit her.

The thing I dislike about the rear tip over bars is that the bike looks even worse when the panniers are removed.
But they are a good tie down point for transporting the bike.

The "bygdawg" tip over bars are a lot less bulky than the MCL ones.

Phil.S · « **Reply #18 on:** June 20, 2015, 11:59:00 AM »

I do not know what is worse that being away from the bike and then finding it has fallen over , or when you parking your bike , you wait for your mate to park his then roll yours in next to him and when you go to push yours back your foot slips on a rock and the bike goes down , then your mate leans over and arks what are you doing down there.

Tipsy · « **Reply #19 on:** June 20, 2015, 12:26:01 PM »

py
Doing all what Stinky Pete said and all the time doing this keep your body vertical or perpendicular to the ground.
You then have better control and more balance with the culprit of tip overs GRAVITY.

Tipsy
aka king of tipsy over.

Biggles · « **Reply #20 on:** June 20, 2015, 12:36:48 PM »

Quote from: Tipsy on June 20, 2015, 12:26:01 PM

py
Doing all what Stinky Pete said and all the time doing this keep your body vertical or perpendicular to the ground.
You then have better control and more balance with the culprit of tip overs GRAVITY.

Tipsy
aka king of tipsy over.

Was wondering when you'd chime in with you extensive experience.

Gravity, eh? Why wasn't I told??

StinkyPete · « **Reply #21 on:** June 20, 2015, 12:54:00 PM »

Ahh Tipsy. Our beloved lifetime member of the "Tip Over" Club.

Gadget · « **Reply #22 on:** June 20, 2015, 03:24:24 PM »

One high speed tip over in the wet, one low speed in the driveway, one on the side of the road after the engine flooded.

kimmie · « **Reply #23 on:** June 20, 2015, 05:43:40 PM »

Had a coupla tip overs myself.

My first was on my L's parking in the front of Supercheap Auto in Penrith. Put the side stand down but not forward enough and bingo! up she folded and over we went

Dad came back looking for me, said I all of a sudden disappeared in his mirrors

We live and learn.

Thanks for the tips on the slow speed, I struggle with that too.

Wheelbarrow · « **Reply #24 on:** June 20, 2015, 06:17:30 PM »

Guys, I can't express how much I appreciate this forum. I love it and learn so much!
Especially do I like to Learn from other people's mistakes..... :think

stinky and biggles: great advice! Got myself a plywood pug and tennis balls. I reckon I take the panniers off for those exercises so they can't get stuffed at low speed slalom.

Somebody was talking about a tip over whilst applying the centre stand. I leave the side stand down until the bike is secure on the centre stand. If there is a problem the side stand is always a fall back. So I can't understand that this could ever be a problem?

About crash bars: when mine keeled over, the panniers did not even touch the ground because of the front crash protectors. Other ppl told me the same, so is the expense of installing rear crash bars justified?

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Author Topic: First tip over... Duh (Read 3288 times)