Post by: ruSTynutz on December 12, 2023, 06:17:16 PM
http://tinyurl.com/33dkt95v
John Cadogan's take on it:
https://youtu.be/IS5JPqZcdI0?si=hjM4b4uje_DBWKbo
Post by: CallMeSteve on December 12, 2023, 06:24:44 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 12, 2023, 06:47:40 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 12, 2023, 07:02:02 PM
Then there's the extra time spent waiting for enough charge to make it to the next charge station and to top it off the extra hassle involved with payment... :o
Think I'll stick with my little diesel! :grin
Post by: Gadget on December 14, 2023, 09:31:12 PM
I drove Brisbane to Cairns over 2 days, and back over 3 days for $228.60, including the final charge at home. The return trip was only slower because we were catching up with family.
Keep sniffing fumes, paying through the nose for petrol, and fit very expensive servicing. The Saudis thank you for your loyalty, and spreading their BS unpaid.
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Post by: ruSTynutz on December 14, 2023, 11:34:44 PM
Keep sniffing fumes, paying through the nose for petrol, and fit very expensive servicing. The Saudis thank you for your loyalty, and spreading their BS unpaid.
I assume you're still sniffing them as well unless your Spyder is battery powered! ;-*
Cheers :beer
Post by: Gadget on December 14, 2023, 11:48:51 PM
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Post by: ruSTynutz on December 15, 2023, 07:33:09 AM
While it's great you're loving your Tesla and I'm sure you're not on your own, it doesn't hurt to acknowledge the possible downsides of EV ownership, which my original post was doing.
The drive from Sydney to Melbourne article had nothing whatsoever to do with John Cadogan but as he had done a video reporting on it, I included a link.
On the whole, I found the article (and Cadogan's video) quite interesting (and enlightening) so hopefully others did too...
Cheers :beer
Post by: Williamson on December 15, 2023, 11:07:52 AM
... On the whole, I found the article (and Cadogan's video) quite interesting (and enlightening) so hopefully others did too...
On the whole, I find Cadogan's videos interesting. I also often find him very and unnecessarily coarse (to the point that I won't listen to him in mixed and younger [grandchildren] company) and abrasive. He can also be divisive, perhaps not unlike some of the threads on this and other Forums (any others on here also on ADVRider?).
:whistle
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 15, 2023, 01:37:36 PM
If you can ignore his (at times) crudeness & mocking and just concentrate on the facts etc that he presents, he does make a lot of sense.
That doesn't mean I always agree with everything he says though...
As for threads being divisive at times, I honestly can't see that there's really anything wrong with a bit of healthy discussion (as long as it doesn't get personal) as it can make the forum a bit more interesting...
Post by: Biggles on December 15, 2023, 05:29:40 PM
Post by: Williamson on December 15, 2023, 06:02:48 PM
.... circumlocution ....
Who else had to look that up? Come on, be honest!
Post by: Biggles on December 15, 2023, 06:25:07 PM
.... circumlocution ....
Who else had to look that up? Come on, be honest!
See- you learned something. At least he wasn't heavily into tautology. Although even that might be attributed to him.
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 15, 2023, 06:38:10 PM
I thought that was something i had done when i was a little kid... :o.... circumlocution ....
Who else had to look that up? Come on, be honest!
Post by: Bodø on December 15, 2023, 07:17:51 PM
.... circumlocution ....
Who else had to look that up? Come on, be honest!
I didn't have to look that up. Ignorance is bliss.
Post by: cravenhaven on December 16, 2023, 09:14:52 AM
I looked up the locations she used for charging and it would appear that she used only EVIE chargers. They quote $0.65/KwH for their 350Kw chargers. So working backwards from that, I figure she used 323KwH for her return trip.
Most EV's use around 16KwH/100km which would equate to 256KwH and $166, but her figures imply 20KwH/100km. So either she was flooring it the whole time, or managed to choose a time with strong headwinds.
And then Her Corolla apparently achieves just over 4L/100km. So it's obviously a hybrid, not an ICE.
So it appears to me that her analysis is seriously flawed and the headline she has created is a lie.
Post by: Gadget on December 16, 2023, 10:40:18 AM
That's a bit sad re your Spyder... :fpThe journalist he was referring to, was either a complete numpty, wilfully ignorant, or a paid oil shill. (The EV community discussed the BS in the article in depth)
While it's great you're loving your Tesla and I'm sure you're not on your own, it doesn't hurt to acknowledge the possible downsides of EV ownership, which my original post was doing.
The drive from Sydney to Melbourne article had nothing whatsoever to do with John Cadogan but as he had done a video reporting on it, I included a link.
On the whole, I found the article (and Cadogan's video) quite interesting (and enlightening) so hopefully others did too...
Cheers :beer
I can show you heaps of videos of different EVs doing Sydney to Melbourne and return, with no issues at all.
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Post by: Gadget on December 16, 2023, 10:48:46 AM
Combination of Tesla SuperCharger, Evie, Qld Electric Super Highway/ChargeFox chargers, and a couple of freebies in Cairns.
At no stage was I trying to do an eco run. Everywhere was at posted speed limits.
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Post by: Langers on December 16, 2023, 05:26:31 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 16, 2023, 05:47:32 PM
So a quick calculation seems to imply there's something amiss with the figures she's quoted.
Maybe there is but she did say in her article:
"Though this doesn't count the fuel I start with - just stops - as I didn't count the charge I started with in the EV when working out costs."
And then Her Corolla apparently achieves just over 4L/100km. So it's obviously a hybrid, not an ICE.
I'm not really up with Toyota's various models but pretty sure they didn't have a Corolla Hybrid back in 2011...
What I do find interesting though is no-one is commenting on the issues she had with the way less than quoted range of the Hyundai, the pain in the bum requirements to have different apps and the lack of connectivity when attempting a charge.
Then of course there is the extra time lost while charging, plus possible range anxiety, both being an issue for some when attempting to cover long distances...
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 16, 2023, 07:30:06 PM
Then of course there is the extra time lost while charging, plus possible range anxiety, both being an issue for some when attempting to cover long distances...
Something I don't have to worry about with my little diesel as it could do the Sydney to Melbourne run non-stop easily and still have plenty of fuel left to explore the city before even thinking about re-fueling! :grin
Post by: Brock on December 16, 2023, 10:22:08 PM
Low lifes are stealing the charger cables probably for the scrap metal value. Tho some are blaming the anti EV group for it..
Post by: cravenhaven on December 17, 2023, 09:01:38 AM
She "filled" the EV within 130km's of Sydney, so it arrived back with more than half a "tank". She doesnt say where she would have filled the Corolla, but its probably not within cooee of Sydney.
"Though this doesn't count the fuel I start with - just stops - as I didn't count the charge I started with in the EV when working out costs."And then Her Corolla apparently achieves just over 4L/100km. So it's obviously a hybrid, not an ICE.
I'm not really up with Toyota's various models but pretty sure they didn't have a Corolla Hybrid back in 2011...
What I do find interesting though is no-one is commenting on the issues she had with the way less than quoted range of the Hyundai, the pain in the bum requirements to have different apps and the lack of connectivity when attempting a charge.
Then of course there is the extra time lost while charging, plus possible range anxiety, both being an issue for some when attempting to cover long distances...
I'd be very surprised to hear of a standard ICE doing 4l/100km at highway speeds, but prepared to be educated!.
Fuel economy lies have been told since cars were being sold. Some of us recall whn the government had to step in and mandate that advertising had to include highway cycle and town cycle figures. For some reason this doesnt seem to apply to EV's unfortunately. The other problem with EV range figures is that thereare competing (and irrelevant) standards for range of EV's. Some manufacturers quote the NEDC figures, which are total rubbish for Australian conditions. The WLTP standards are better but still way off the mark, The EPA is the closest, but is an American standard and doesnt cover all vehicles in Australia. Then of course EV's perform so much better in cities than in the country. I think we've all just learned to live with it and work out the actual range ourselves, just like you do with your ICE. And range anxiety extends to ICE as well, in fact I had exactly that on the same route when riding from Melbourne to Sydney, when I assumed I would be able to fill up at any of the many highway servos, only to find that there werent any on the highway until Tarcutta and I was running on fumes by then.
The billing method for chargers is just woeful and all EV owners are annoyed by it. In the UK the govt finally stepped in and mandated billing to be based on standard credit cards rather than apps and private charge cards. Australian govt is way behind the times here, but the current state and federal govts are stepping up and EV charger companies are finally responding..
Post by: Williamson on December 17, 2023, 09:48:21 AM
Quote from: cravenhaven link=topic=15316.msg1367434#msg1367434
I'd be very surprised to hear of a standard ICE doing 4l/100km at highway speeds, but prepared to be educated!
I could achieve under 5l/100km driving at around 85km/h to 90km/h in my 2005 Honda Civic manual (this was on a trip to Traralgon along the Princes Highway in 2019). What really peeved me is that I could not even do that on the ST1300.
Back in the '80's, the family XF Falcon Wagon (4.1 litre, alloy head, 3 speed auto), we drove from Sydney to Melbourne on one tank. Filled-up at Liverpool just before the entering the Freeway, drove through the night and filled-up again at Kalkallo. Don't remember the details apart from achieving the magic 10l/100km figure.
Post by: Skip on December 18, 2023, 07:09:36 PM
Post by: Gadget on December 29, 2023, 04:57:11 PM
I plug in, walk away, go and eat, drink, toilet, unplug, drive away.
My bladder is only good for 2 to 3 hours, so that's when we stop.
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Post by: West Aussie Glen on January 05, 2024, 09:10:33 AM
Had a great trip up to Uluru over the New Year. This was to test a car with 163,000 kms on it on a long road trip in 43+ degree heat for the most part of the trip. Car has a range of 340 kms these days. As more EVs hit the secondhand market, hopefully this shows that an older EV with a lot of kms on it can still go the distance.
Car is a S 75 with original battery pack.
Day 1 covered 1,500 kms from Sydney to Adelaide (Supercharger Network)
Day 2 was to Coober Pedy (charging at the brilliant RAA chargers at Port Augusta and Pimba, then Glendambo)
Day 3 To Uluru (charging at Marla, Kulgera and Ghan)
3,151 kms on the way out
On the way back
Day 1 to Coober Pedy (charging at Ghan, Kulgera and Marla)
Day 2 to Mildura (charging at Pimba, Port Augusta, Clare and Morgan)
Day 3 back to Sydney (charging at Hay then Superchargers from Wagga home).
2,960 kms on the way back.
The RAA chargers at Port Augusta and Pimba were fantastic both ways. Marla desperately needs an upgrade from the 7kw charger there. It would've reduced travel time by 2 hours.
Thank you to AEVA for the chargers at Glandambo and Kulgera! Those were fantastic. Skipped the Glandambo one on the way home by driving a little more efficiently.
The worst charging experience has to be Hay. Only 1 charger there and only 50kw is poor compared to the awesome RAA chargers along the way.
Edit: adding cost. Note I have free Supercharging for Life on this car so the numbers from Sydney to Adelaide or Wagga to Sydney are not indicative of the usual EV expected cost.
Sydney to Adelaide was free.
Adelaide to Uluru:
Adelaide Free with overnight accommodation
Port Augusta $22.24
Pimba $38.90
Glendambo $10
Coober Pedy Free with overnight accommodation
Marla Free RAA charger
Kulgera $10
Erldunda Free
Uluru Free
Uluru to Hay:
Uluru Free
Erldunda Free
Kulgera $10
Marla Free
Coober Pedy Free with overnight accommodation
Pimba $28.40
Port Augusta $25.95
Clare Free
Morgan $18.90
Mildura Free with overnight accommodation
Hay $14.47
Total: $178.86
Then free on the Supercharger network on the way home from Wagga.
Post by: cravenhaven on January 05, 2024, 12:03:02 PM
Assuming 17KwH/100km and $0.70/KwH
Sydney to Adelaide - 17*15*0.7 = $179
Wagga to Sydney - 17*4.6*.7 = $55
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 10, 2024, 08:32:03 PM
The results may surprise you...or perhaps not! :whistle :popcorn
https://youtu.be/WI24gjDr8TI?si=NAV4zzUHJBfFEEYI
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 16, 2024, 11:27:48 PM
https://www.drive.com.au/news/evie-hikes-prices-up-to-40-per-cent/
Recharging an electric vehicle now costs more than petrol...
https://youtu.be/OsRrkXiUtV4?si=Gmk7Yf1xPXL1vY9F
Post by: LindsayGT on January 17, 2024, 12:53:05 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-14/bassendean-family-plan-australian-ev-caravan-first/103298994 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-14/bassendean-family-plan-australian-ev-caravan-first/103298994)
I actually know him. He’s a good mate of my son. He’s very intelligent.
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 17, 2024, 09:08:05 AM
It will be interesting to see how that trailer tows with that extra overhang... :popcorn
Post by: Shiney on January 17, 2024, 09:56:38 AM
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 17, 2024, 10:58:09 AM
https://youtu.be/YKbAnOYUigo?si=q7-4DLIzcwqAkMEI
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 17, 2024, 11:04:49 AM
http://tinyurl.com/az838r (http://tinyurl.com/az838r)
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 20, 2024, 11:32:45 PM
http://tinyurl.com/yr77vafh
You can road trip in an electric car... but it's bloody hard
http://tinyurl.com/49bht6zt
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 21, 2024, 06:48:42 PM
EVs & plug-in hybrids to pay road user charges from 1 April...
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/506844/evs-plug-in-hybrids-to-pay-road-user-charges-from-1-april (https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/506844/evs-plug-in-hybrids-to-pay-road-user-charges-from-1-april)
Got to wonder how long before the Australian Government introduces something similar here in Oz.
Fair enough too, I reckon, as EV owners have been getting a free ride so far when it comes to paying their fair share for road usage & maintenance. |-i
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Post by: Gadget on February 03, 2024, 08:28:16 PM
You don't have to buy one. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240203/2bdee5769047308cb1e8a106e84fab1f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240203/0fdfa5d53521cd0c6ec48bf1278d38f0.jpg)
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Post by: Gadget on February 03, 2024, 08:33:25 PM
This guy must be incredibly naive!There is a couple from Perth, 'Atto Girl EV Adventures' and 'Gandalf', who left Perth on boxing day 2023, for a clockwise trip around the paddock, towing a modified pop-top caravan.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-14/bassendean-family-plan-australian-ev-caravan-first/103298994 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-14/bassendean-family-plan-australian-ev-caravan-first/103298994)
I actually know him. He’s a good mate of my son. He’s very intelligent.
The caravan has solar panels, inverter, charger, etc.
Last I heard, they were at Kalgoorlie, close to home.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100089625813396&mibextid=ZbWKwL
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Post by: ruSTynutz on February 03, 2024, 10:38:45 PM
So much anti EV... why?
You don't have to buy one.
Not so much anti EV, just helping to educate prospective owners on the downsides of EV ownership!
As for buying one...if Sue & I buy a new car in the foreseeable future it certainly won't be an EV for the following reasons...
Price - paying probably an extra $20,000 over the top of an equivalent ICE vehicle would definitely be out of the question.
Driving Range - with my current car offering around twice the range of an EV why would I want to go for something with way less? I suffer enough range anxiety with my ST1300 at times...lol.
Charging Costs - While people with EVs skite about being able to charge their EV at home for free it's not actually free if you've had to spend probably 20 grand installing solar panels and a battery just so you can do it.
Also, with recent soaring charging costs there doesn't seem to be much difference between that and what it would cost for fuel these days.
Lost time while charging an EV - When I do a road trip I often just want to get to where I'm going in the quickest possible time with the bare minimum of stops and having to possibly wait for access to a charger and the time spent charging means I won't be able to travel as far in a day as I would in my diesel.
Road Tax - With currently no road tax on EVs it's only a matter of time before the Federal Government introduces one which will obviously decrease any advantage an EV MAY have over a ICE vehicle.
Towing - I like to tow a trailer at times and yes, I know I could do that with an EV but that greatly reduces its traveling range, something that is way less of an issue with an ICE vehicle.
Heating & Cooling - Using either in an EV is going to reduce driving range, using either in my diesel makes basically no difference to its fuel consumption.
Cheers :beer
Post by: Gadget on February 04, 2024, 06:40:47 AM
Education requires balance. Not propaganda.
Road Tax doesn't exist. It was overturned in the High Court. People are getting refunds, with interest.
Running costs are so much cheaper. $109 maintenance for one 40,000 km travelled. Mostly charged for free, and those two combined can compensate for the higher purchase price really quickly.
Because of renewables, Energy is getting so cheap AGL, Origin, OVO, and others, are offering EV plans which include 0.08c/kWh during the day from 10:00am to 2:00 pm and after midnight until 4 or 6 am.
2nd hand EVs start from around$15,000
A new GWM Ora in Qld can be bought from $37,470, and then is eligible for a $6,000 rebate from the State Government.
Hearing and cooling with a heart pump is very cheap on energy. A Tesla could run the AC in the show for over 7 days and still drive off. An ICE would reboot the tank on less than 24 hours.
But go ahead with your obsessive tilting against EVs, and I'll keep enjoying mine whilst saving loads of money.
You can keep throwing your money at the House of Saud from Saudi Arabia.
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 04, 2024, 10:22:21 AM
Road Tax doesn't exist. It was overturned in the High Court. People are getting refunds, with interest.
I never said it did!
But, as we get more and more EVs on the road and the fuel excise stream gets less and less do you honestly believe some kind of "road tax" won't be imposed on EVs?
Someone has to pay for our roads and currently EV owners are getting a free ride...
Running costs are so much cheaper.
Maybe so but if you factor in the cost of comprehensive insurance as part of "running costs" which can be double the price (or more) of a comparable sized ICE vehicle things don't look quite so good.
2nd hand EVs start from around$15,000
That's yet another reason I'm not an EV fanboy, EVs don't hold their value, depreciation is quite a bit more than an ICE vehicle...
You can keep throwing your money at the House of Saud from Saudi Arabia.
I'm happy to as I rather enjoy riding my ST1300 and driving my little diesel... :grin
Cheers :beer
Oh, nearly forgot this one:
As you've never owned own, never driven one, never lived with one, and never intend to own one, your 'education' source is solely from oil industry propaganda which you are willingly consuming, because it matches your confirmation bias.
Not quite true, I owned a Tesla EV (https://www.scootersaus.com.au/large-mobility-scooters/monarch-tesla-ii/) for a number of years... :whistle
Post by: Gadget on February 04, 2024, 04:02:03 PM
Running costs are so much cheaper.
Maybe so but if you factor in the cost of comprehensive insurance as part of "running costs" which can be double the price (or more) of a comparable sized ICE vehicle things don't look quite so good.
My comprehensive insurance for my 2022 Tesla is the same price as my 2017 VW Tiguan.
The 2nd hand price of the Tesla is almost twice that of the VW.
Another myth busted.
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Post by: ruSTynutz on February 04, 2024, 06:32:09 PM
My comprehensive insurance for my 2022 Tesla is the same price as my 2017 VW Tiguan.
The 2nd hand price of the Tesla is almost twice that of the VW.
Hardly a fair comparison comparing a 2022 year vehicle against a 5 year older vehicle...
Another myth busted.
Not a myth as far as I'm concerned as I got quotes through AAMI car insurance comparing a 2023 Tesla Y against a 2023 Kia Sportage...
Tesla Model Y Dual Motor Kia Sportage GT-Line Diesel
$1,503.81 per year $726.51 per year
Excess: $1,475 Excess: $900
Post by: Gadget on February 04, 2024, 06:57:53 PM
My Y, the younger car, is actually cheaper to insure than the older, less expensive car....My comprehensive insurance for my 2022 Tesla is the same price as my 2017 VW Tiguan.
The 2nd hand price of the Tesla is almost twice that of the VW.
Hardly a fair comparison comparing a 2022 year vehicle against a 5 year older vehicle...Another myth busted.
Not a myth as far as I'm concerned as I got quotes through AAMI car insurance comparing a 2023 Tesla Y against a 2023 Kia Sportage...
Tesla Model Y Dual Motor Kia Sportage GT-Line Diesel
$1,503.81 per year $726.51 per year
Excess: $1,475 Excess: $900
Both are currently owned and insured.
My real insurance premiums vs subjective quotes, which can be rigged due to changed assumptions, $0 excess vs. $1,200 excess, postcodes, garaging, previous claims, etc
You don't like EVs, simple, don't effin' buy one.
Please stop pontificating on a subject of which you clearly have no experience or real knowledge.
Haranguing owners of EVs and treating them like fools for having bought an EV doesn't make you look clever. It his makes you look like an obsessive (possibly financially vested interest) like an oil worker or shareholder.
Either that, or a supplicant of the Faux News/Sky After Dark (SAD) propaganda network, who definitely are shareholders protecting their vested interests.
I'll discuss this no further, as you appear to be entrenched in the anti EV cult, despite others' lived experiences which are contrary to your limited preconceived misconceptions.
It appears more than the nuts are rusty.
Foxtrot, foxtrot, sierra.
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Post by: ruSTynutz on February 04, 2024, 08:44:38 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 07, 2024, 02:47:52 PM
So much anti EV... why?
You don't have to buy one.
Not so much anti EV, just helping to educate prospective owners on the downsides of EV ownership!
As for buying one...if Sue & I buy a new car in the foreseeable future it certainly won't be an EV for the following reasons...
Price - paying probably an extra $20,000 over the top of an equivalent ICE vehicle would definitely be out of the question.
Driving Range - with my current car offering around twice the range of an EV why would I want to go for something with way less? I suffer enough range anxiety with my ST1300 at times...lol.
Charging Costs - While people with EVs skite about being able to charge their EV at home for free it's not actually free if you've had to spend probably 20 grand installing solar panels and a battery just so you can do it.
Also, with recent soaring charging costs there doesn't seem to be much difference between that and what it would cost for fuel these days.
Lost time while charging an EV - When I do a road trip I often just want to get to where I'm going in the quickest possible time with the bare minimum of stops and having to possibly wait for access to a charger and the time spent charging means I won't be able to travel as far in a day as I would in my diesel.
Road Tax - With currently no road tax on EVs it's only a matter of time before the Federal Government introduces one which will obviously decrease any advantage an EV MAY have over a ICE vehicle.
Towing - I like to tow a trailer at times and yes, I know I could do that with an EV but that greatly reduces its traveling range, something that is way less of an issue with an ICE vehicle.
Heating & Cooling - Using either in an EV is going to reduce driving range, using either in my diesel makes basically no difference to its fuel consumption.
Cheers :beer
Just an add-on as to why I wouldn't buy an EV...
Replacement Battery Cost - The cost of replacing the battery in an EV can cost you an arm & a leg...
I'm sure anyone with the slightest interest in EVs has heard about the Canadian Hyundai Ioniq 5 owner being charged 60,000 Canadian dollars to have his EV battery replaced?
That's not a misprint...That works out to be something like $68,000 Aussie dollars!
Since then another Ioniq 5 owner has come out and confirmed the replacement cost is indeed C$60,000... >:()
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/yikes-the-60000-hyundai-ioniq-5-battery-replacement-saga-continues-226590.html (https://www.autoevolution.com/news/yikes-the-60000-hyundai-ioniq-5-battery-replacement-saga-continues-226590.html)
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/ev-battery-icbc-writeoff (https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/ev-battery-icbc-writeoff)
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 11, 2024, 05:22:31 PM
I'm back in a diesel after 4yrs running both EV & PHEV. What needs to change to get me to go back?
https://youtu.be/nZysvgm2_Aw?si=hsaQtM17fAPeFGi4
Post by: Skip on February 13, 2024, 05:38:46 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 13, 2024, 06:21:27 PM
Post by: Skip on February 13, 2024, 07:21:44 PM
Tyre wear? Regardless of whether it is an EV or not, worn tyres must be putting 1000's of tons of rubber 'powder' into the waterways etc? EV's aren't immuned to tyre wear as far as I'm aware. An EV is just an automobile with an empty fuel tank. Don't pretend ALL recharge stations are fueled from 'renewables'. Within our little old town of Brisbane and SE Qld, there are hundreds of government owned facilities that have a diesel generator present, and run 24/7, because there is not enough power in the grid to run the facility. FACT. And the government want US to go all 'green and fuzzy" and drive EV's. It is an absolute joke. As I said, if you want one, and can afford one, then enjoy. We now live in a strata unit style living and EV chargers are not an option in our building as there is not enough energy in the grid to allow us to upgrade the supply to our complex. Fact. EV's, solar panels and wind turbines are NOT the answer to an energy crisis. Just sayin'.
Post by: Biggles on February 13, 2024, 08:34:48 PM
Someone had to sacrifice two very expensive vehicles for this test. And yes, I know, crashworthiness costs heaps regardless of vehicle.
BTW, I suspect the only m/cs crash tested would be Goldwings with airbags.
On every other bike you do your own crash worthiness testing. >:()
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/12/experts-warn-electric-vehicle-weight-threatens-roa/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/12/experts-warn-electric-vehicle-weight-threatens-roa/)
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 15, 2024, 08:53:28 PM
Here ya go ruSTynutz. My thoughts are these. If you want an EV, knock yourself out. Just don't think you are 'saving the planet' by having one. Go hard. Have fun. Have you ever seen the amount of ships criss-crossing the globe transferring crap from one side to another? Ships are one of the most inefficient and polluting forms of transport. Why aren't the "Greenies" protesting about world trade? And aircraft? Another issue.
Tyre wear? Regardless of whether it is an EV or not, worn tyres must be putting 1000's of tons of rubber 'powder' into the waterways etc? EV's aren't immuned to tyre wear as far as I'm aware. An EV is just an automobile with an empty fuel tank. Don't pretend ALL recharge stations are fueled from 'renewables'. Within out little old town of Brisbane and SE Qld, there are hundreds of government owned facilities that have a diesel generator present, and run 24/7, because there is not enough power in the grid to run the facility. FACT. And the government want US to go all 'green and fuzzy" and drive EV's. It is an absolute joke. As I said, if you want one, and can afford one, then enjoy. We now live in a strata unit style living and EV chargers are not an option in our building as there is not enough energy in the grid to allow us to upgrade the supply to our complex. Fact. EV's, solar panels and wind turbines are NOT the answer to an energy crisis. Just sayin'.
I must say I agree pretty much one hundred percent with what you've said, Skip! :clap
Sorry for the late response, it was just too hard trying to type a reply on my mobile phone...
Now that we've had power restored here in Victoria I'm back on my PC! :runyay
Here's more grist for everyone's mill. EVs are heavier than ICE powered vehicles.
Someone had to sacrifice two very expensive vehicles for this test. And yes, I know, crashworthiness costs heaps regardless of vehicle.
BTW, I suspect the only m/cs crash tested would be Goldwings with airbags.
On every other bike you do your own crash worthiness testing. >:()
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/12/experts-warn-electric-vehicle-weight-threatens-roa/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/12/experts-warn-electric-vehicle-weight-threatens-roa/)
Thanks for the link, Bill...very interesting reading! :thumbs
Speaking of motorcycle crashes, did you know electric scooter fatalities get lumped in with motorcycle fatalities? Well, they do here in Victoria & NSW anyhow... :well
https://www.aaa.asn.au/newsroom/data-failings-prevent-e-scooter-safety-analysis/ (https://www.aaa.asn.au/newsroom/data-failings-prevent-e-scooter-safety-analysis/)
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 16, 2024, 10:04:28 AM
EVs are heavier than ICE powered vehicles
ICE vehicles are getting heavier also, loaded down with all the "you beaut" tech to make vehicles safer...
Even back when I bought my little 2010 Hyundai i30 diesel (which has bugger-all tech compared to more modern cars) I was surprised it weighed as much as a 6-cylinder 1973 XB Ford Falcon.
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 21, 2024, 03:18:25 PM
Firefighting in Ontario just got greener with the arrival of its first electric fire truck
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2024/01/25/news/firefighting-ontario-just-got-greener-first-electric-fire-truck (https://www.nationalobserver.com/2024/01/25/news/firefighting-ontario-just-got-greener-first-electric-fire-truck)
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According to the Rosenbauer Group (https://rosenbaueramerica.com/rosenbauer-revolutionary-technology/), the new electric fire truck has a run time of nearly two hours of driving on battery power, enabling it to respond to multiple emergencies on a single charge
And just to make the fire truck even greener, a look at the specs tells me the trucks have an "Auxiliary Power Backup System, a 3.0 Liter 300HP 6 Cylinder BMW Clean Diesel Engine...
Post by: cravenhaven on February 22, 2024, 09:20:59 AM
Here ya go ruSTynutz. My thoughts are these. If you want an EV, knock yourself out. Just don't think you are 'saving the planet' by having one. Go hard. Have fun. Have you ever seen the amount of ships criss-crossing the globe transferring crap from one side to another? Ships are one of the most inefficient and polluting forms of transport. Why aren't the "Greenies" protesting about world trade? And aircraft? Another issue.
Tyre wear? Regardless of whether it is an EV or not, worn tyres must be putting 1000's of tons of rubber 'powder' into the waterways etc? EV's aren't immuned to tyre wear as far as I'm aware. An EV is just an automobile with an empty fuel tank. Don't pretend ALL recharge stations are fueled from 'renewables'. Within our little old town of Brisbane and SE Qld, there are hundreds of government owned facilities that have a diesel generator present, and run 24/7, because there is not enough power in the grid to run the facility. FACT. And the government want US to go all 'green and fuzzy" and drive EV's. It is an absolute joke. As I said, if you want one, and can afford one, then enjoy. We now live in a strata unit style living and EV chargers are not an option in our building as there is not enough energy in the grid to allow us to upgrade the supply to our complex. Fact. EV's, solar panels and wind turbines are NOT the answer to an energy crisis. Just sayin'.
I think there's already moves afoot for shipping, such as Hydrogen, some trials with sails etc, but it will take a loooong time before there are any significant advances in pollution reduction from that industry.
Everyone likes to make big statements about EV's being heavier than ICE equivalents. It is true, but only by 10-15%, and as Rusty says, ICE vehicles have increased in weight over the years as well. I've "accidentally" ended up in a parking building a couple of times with my Ranger and old Patrol and have to say that I would not willingly take one into a parking building ever.
Yeah! tyres wear out, same/same, although there is a fair amount of research going into making tyres specifically for EV's so maybe reduced wear might come out of that too. The bit you didnt bother mentioning was the almost complete lack of brake pad wear (which also ends up in our waterways), never mind the manufacturing and disposal waste. Which bring me to Oil, you have to change your oi every 10/20000km in an ICE, but pretty much never in an EV, again, no waste.
And of course the old "coal powered EV" rhetoric. Even though most states in Australia have a greater than 30% generation by renewables now (NSW is over 60% during the day), and its increasing. Is oil/petrol/diesel becoming renewable?. The odd charger around the place running off a diesel generator (would be interested to know where these are?) are thoroughly abnormal as you probably know, and compare that to all the outback roadhouses running permanently on diesel generators to supply petrol and diesel.
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 23, 2024, 12:06:57 AM
Which bring me to Oil, you have to change your oi every 10/20000km in an ICE, but pretty much never in an EV, again, no waste.
Although in saying that, oil can be recycled...
Is oil/petrol/diesel becoming renewable?.
As far as petrol/diesel goes, the answer is yes.
MotoGP will be using a minimum of 40% synthetic fuel in all the MotoGP classes from this year and by 2027 all MotoGP classes will be using 100% non-fossil fuel...
Post by: cravenhaven on February 23, 2024, 10:58:21 AM
Although in saying that, oil can be recycled...
As far as petrol/diesel goes, the answer is yes.
MotoGP will be using a minimum of 40% synthetic fuel in all the MotoGP classes from this year and by 2027 all MotoGP classes will be using 100% non-fossil fuel...
I had completely forgotten about oil being recycled, but upon a bit of investigation found that it is not as rosy as one might believe. It seems that in Australia around 60% of lubricating oils are recycled back to lubricating oil funded at a rate of about 60% by the govt (partially funded by a levy on motor oils that we pay). Other uses are possible, but the lack of government funding precludes their production. In addition, there are only a few oil recycling plants in Australia so collection and transportation of used oil as well as the chemical and energy resources used in reprocessing the oil are a significant (but largely ignored) environmental cost.
Synthetic fuel could be interesting if it is what they say it is. But given that Hydrogen is one of the inputs, and most hydrogen is made from fossil fuels then its hardly renewable. Of course Hydrogen can be produced with green energy, but in either case its ridiculously energy intensive. So for Synthetic fuel you have energy intensive hydrogen mixed with either coal or LPG gas or biogas (ie food stock turned into fuel), and then through another ridiculously energy intensive process you produce synthetic fuel. Stuff I've read shows around 40% energy efficiency just to get to the fuel stage, then you burn it in an ICE engine to produce power in a 20% efficient process!!. I dont think our grid can handle producing this stuff.
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 23, 2024, 12:16:31 PM
I had completely forgotten about oil being recycled, but upon a bit of investigation found that it is not as rosy as one might believe. It seems that in Australia around 60% of lubricating oils are recycled back to lubricating oil funded at a rate of about 60% by the govt (partially funded by a levy on motor oils that we pay). Other uses are possible, but the lack of government funding precludes their production. In addition, there are only a few oil recycling plants in Australia so collection and transportation of used oil as well as the chemical and energy resources used in reprocessing the oil are a significant (but largely ignored) environmental cost.
I guess it's a bit like recycling lithium batteries, with something like 10 percent of them being recycled (in Australia), the rest being either stored, shipped overseas or ending up in land fill...
Synthetic fuel could be interesting if it is what they say it is. But given that Hydrogen is one of the inputs, and most hydrogen is made from fossil fuels then its hardly renewable. Of course Hydrogen can be produced with green energy, but in either case its ridiculously energy intensive. So for Synthetic fuel you have energy intensive hydrogen mixed with either coal or LPG gas or biogas (ie food stock turned into fuel), and then through another ridiculously energy intensive process you produce synthetic fuel. Stuff I've read shows around 40% energy efficiency just to get to the fuel stage, then you burn it in an ICE engine to produce power in a 20% efficient process!!.
Obviously there's a long way to go before synthetic fuel becomes a realistic proposition but who knows what advances will happen down the track but one obvious advantage of synthetic fuel is that it can be used in current ICE vehicles.
I dont think our grid can handle producing this stuff.
Can our grids handle a mass uptake of EVs?
Post by: ruSTynutz on March 10, 2024, 03:00:10 PM
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After our recent EV v Petrol road trip, we wanted to give driving an electric vehicle another shot.
This time we rented a Rivian R1S in the United States to see what DC fast charging, off-street AC charging and EV charging in a parking structure would be like.
We didn't expect it to end the way it did...
https://youtu.be/5MXzxHc0dWo?si=cL9NFqCFzby7EjD0
Post by: Gadget on March 10, 2024, 06:28:23 PM
:popcorn
Here's more grist for everyone's mill. EVs are heavier than ICE powered vehicles.The Toyota Hilux is over 2 tonne, my Teska Y is 1.8 tonne, the Nissan Leaf is under 1.5 tonne.
Someone had to sacrifice two very expensive vehicles for this test. And yes, I know, crashworthiness costs heaps regardless of vehicle.
BTW, I suspect the only m/cs crash tested would be Goldwings with airbags.
On every other bike you do your own crash worthiness testing. >:()
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/12/experts-warn-electric-vehicle-weight-threatens-roa/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/12/experts-warn-electric-vehicle-weight-threatens-roa/)
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Post by: ruSTynutz on March 10, 2024, 08:37:13 PM
The Toyota Hilux is over 2 tonne, my Teska Y is 1.8 tonne, the Nissan Leaf is under 1.5 tonne.
Whichever way you look at it though, currently an EV is still heavier than an equivalent sized ICE vehicle...
Post by: Shillas on March 10, 2024, 10:45:50 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on March 10, 2024, 11:39:32 PM
Post by: Gadget on March 11, 2024, 04:03:20 AM
It's just another furphy spread by the oil industry.The Toyota Hilux is over 2 tonne, my Teska Y is 1.8 tonne, the Nissan Leaf is under 1.5 tonne.
Whichever way you look at it though, currently an EV is still heavier than an equivalent sized ICE vehicle...
M Tiguan Diesel is the same size and 200 kg heavier. The engine, gearbox, transfer case, propshafts, front and rear differentials, all combined, are heavier than a battery and electric motor. The Tiguan is as tall,as wide, and just 4 to 5 cm shorter.
They have to resort to pushing 'negatives', including BS, which is all they have because they can't push positives of ICE.
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Post by: Gadget on March 11, 2024, 04:08:43 AM
Not quite as nice as our Tesla, but it's still very beautiful to drive.
Today, we are driving from Waiuku to Napier, and we're spoiled for choice on where to charge. Tesla, ChargeNet, OneLoop, Z Ev, and BP Charge.
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Post by: ruSTynutz on March 11, 2024, 09:55:14 AM
It's just another furphy spread by the oil industry.
M Tiguan Diesel is the same size and 200 kg heavier. The engine, gearbox, transfer case, propshafts, front and rear differentials, all combined, are heavier than a battery and electric motor. The Tiguan is as tall,as wide, and just 4 to 5 cm shorter.
So, you're comparing an AWD Tiguan to a 2WD Tesla? Hardly a fair comparison!
Even so, a quick look at the specifications of both says the Tiguan still weighs less...
They have to resort to pushing 'negatives', including BS, which is all they have because they can't push positives of ICE.
Perhaps these "negatives" are actually fact? :whistle
Post by: Gadget on March 11, 2024, 11:53:27 AM
Both the Tesla and the Tiguan are called SUVs, so a fair comparison. The Tesla has more storage space.
I've had both over the local tip weighbridge empty....
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Post by: ruSTynutz on March 11, 2024, 12:57:38 PM
My experience is that they aren't negatives.
That's great, but I'm pretty sure for most people it would be very hard to see the price difference between an ICE vehicle and an equivalent sized EV as anything other than a negative...
Post by: LindsayGT on March 12, 2024, 12:00:58 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-11/electric-car-sales-in-australia-outer-suburbs-overtake-city/103542014?utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-11/electric-car-sales-in-australia-outer-suburbs-overtake-city/103542014?utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web)
Post by: ruSTynutz on March 12, 2024, 01:51:55 PM
I’ll just drop this here!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-11/electric-car-sales-in-australia-outer-suburbs-overtake-city/103542014?utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-11/electric-car-sales-in-australia-outer-suburbs-overtake-city/103542014?utm_campaign=abc_news_web&utm_content=link&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_source=abc_news_web)
Makes sense as EVs are more suited to that environment than they are out in the sticks...
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"So although the initial cost of buying an electric car is higher than a petrol car, the running costs are significantly lower."
I would say that the initial costs of buying an EV is significantly higher...
For example, a basic MG ZS costs over $21,000 more than the same model ICE MG.
To put that in perspective, that's more than double the price of the basic ICE MG!
Another example is the Hyundai Kona EV, that will cost you nearly $23,000 over the cost of a basic Kona...a lot of money in anyone's language.
Do I need to point out that you could buy a hell of a lot of fuel with those savings?
Regarding running costs, I noticed there's no mention whatsoever in that article that EVs usually cost more to insure (and why would they when they are obviously talking up EVs :whistle)
As an example, I got quotes from Budget Direct for a 2024 Tesla Y rear drive model and a 2024 top of the line Kia Sportage Diesel and there was a massive price difference.
Bear in mind I used the exact same location/excess/age etc etc...
The difference between the two was a whopping $2,000+ per year...more than enough to pay for servicing of the Sportage and quite a bit of fuel as well! :o
Post by: cravenhaven on March 14, 2024, 10:56:30 AM
I've seen many posts about extraordinary insurance premium hikes for EV's so I guess it must be true, but in my own case the premium for my Tesla is about 20% more than my Ranger, and has been since I bought them 4 years ago.
Post by: ruSTynutz on March 14, 2024, 07:43:43 PM
I've seen many posts about extraordinary insurance premium hikes for EV's so I guess it must be true, but in my own case the premium for my Tesla is about 20% more than my Ranger, and has been since I bought them 4 years ago.I must admit I was shocked at the difference in the premiums from Budget Direct.
The quotes I got a while back from AAMI were a bit more reasonable with, I think, a $500 or $600 difference.
Post by: ruSTynutz on March 22, 2024, 08:56:37 PM
https://youtu.be/56Wpzw--U50?si=JquP7RNaEm5TnqiO
Post by: ruSTynutz on March 28, 2024, 08:42:16 PM
Electric car owners warned of charging wait times this Easter
With more people hitting the road this Easter, electric car owners are being warned of queues at charging stations.
The Easter long weekend typically brings an influx of people to the nation's roads, and electric car owners are being cautioned to plan ahead to avoid spending their road trip queuing for chargers.
As is the case with petrol stations, electric charging facilities will also see extended usage.
EV charging providers such as Evie, which has over 200 charging stations around Australia, have predicted that over 10,000 EV drivers will use their network over the long Easter weekend. This comes after Evie reported that 8000 unique users charged up at their stations over Christmas.
Obviously, with this many electric cars on the road, there will be some wait times on the chargers in heavily populated areas. Bernhard Conoplia, Head of Public Charging Business for Evie, says that it pays to plan ahead before heading out.
Click the link to continue reading: https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/electric-car-charger-wait-times-australia/ (https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/electric-car-charger-wait-times-australia/)
I particularly liked the bit on "Can you get fined for hogging a charger" :popcorn
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As is the case with petrol stations, electric charging facilities will also see extended usage.
Yeah right, as if the waiting times are gonna be anywhere near as long as waiting for an EV to be charged... :rofl
Post by: Biggles on March 29, 2024, 02:41:57 PM
As Mr Conoplia from Evie says, "We understand this can be frustrating, however we're all EV drivers, reducing our environmental impact on the planet every day, so remember to be patient, polite and friendly".
Post by: Williamson on March 29, 2024, 03:04:16 PM
I was already running late but I needed to put some LPG into my EF Falcon ute on the way home from work (would have been in the late 90's). Pull up at the Shell NW corner Maroondah Highway and Oban Road (Ringwood, VIC). Busy that night, only coupla LPG bowsers, a long queue at one, only one car at the ULP in front of the other. I pull up, patiently wait for the woman (these days, we might call her Karen), dicks around with the fuel, washes her windscreen, walks to the Shell Shop, returns to car to get purse, returns to Shell Shop. I wait, wait, wait for her to return, no show. I go to Shell Shop, see her on the Red Phone, walk up to her, ask her to move her car. Karen says, excuse me, can't you see I'm talking? Me, I've been waiting for 10 minutes. Karen, (loudly) eff off.
Well I snapped and must've been redder than the Red Phone, I push the silver button on the Red Phone and says, no you're not and whisper in her ear, now move your effing car or the bull bar on my car will.
First problem solved.
Second problem (my anger management) solved, but still surfaces from time to time.
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 02, 2024, 03:47:08 PM
https://youtu.be/4GACM-IZsZ4?si=XEZ-8CjaTPAsusmV
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 05, 2024, 08:19:02 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/C8JS1mw/Tesla-queue.jpg)
EVs waiting to charge up at Keith, South Australia over the Easter break...
Post by: Shillas on April 05, 2024, 09:03:05 AM
Never happens with ICE does it?
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Post by: cravenhaven on April 05, 2024, 11:16:32 AM
Enjoying The Easter Break! :rofl
(https://i.ibb.co/C8JS1mw/Tesla-queue.jpg)
EVs waiting to charge up at Keith, South Australia over the Easter break...
Apparently a Tesla club get together. They normally centre these around supercharger spots as this one is. In NSW they're often at the wineries that host superchargers.
Post by: cravenhaven on April 05, 2024, 11:20:47 AM
Why Tire Companies Love EVs
https://youtu.be/4GACM-IZsZ4?si=XEZ-8CjaTPAsusmV
More garbage by anti EV people. Tyres last about the same distance as any other car of similar type. You can get the low noise type if you want to pay heaps, or just use standard tyres.
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 05, 2024, 12:13:51 PM
Never happens with ICE does it?
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The difference is it doesn't take 20-30 minutes to refuel each individual ICE vehicle... :p
Btw, apparently these cars were queued up because the servo was offering fuel at a much cheaper price than normal...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4954426/Huge-queues-stretch-outside-Perth-petrol-station.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4954426/Huge-queues-stretch-outside-Perth-petrol-station.html)
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 05, 2024, 12:51:03 PM
Enjoying The Easter Break! :rofl
(https://i.ibb.co/C8JS1mw/Tesla-queue.jpg)
EVs waiting to charge up at Keith, South Australia over the Easter break...
Apparently a Tesla club get together. They normally centre these around supercharger spots as this one is. In NSW they're often at the wineries that host superchargers.
:rofl Good try... https://tinyurl.com/yc2y98e7
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 05, 2024, 01:16:07 PM
Why Tire Companies Love EVs
https://youtu.be/4GACM-IZsZ4?si=XEZ-8CjaTPAsusmV
More garbage by anti EV people. Tyres last about the same distance as any other car of similar type. You can get the low noise type if you want to pay heaps, or just use standard tyres.
I guess these companies are wrong then... :popcorn
Michelin says, and I quote:
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On average, EVs will wear out a tire 20% faster than a comparable ICE vehicle.
Goodyear says:
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Goodyear testing reveals that traditional tires can wear out up to 30% faster on electric vehicles due to the powerful, instant torque from electric motors and the additional vehicle weight from heavy battery packs.
Hyundai:
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The tires of electric vehicles wear 20% faster than those of internal combustion engines, which is due to the acceleration of electric vehicles that generate strong instantaneous power.
Post by: Wild Rose on April 05, 2024, 03:19:01 PM
Before Christmas she had to get new tyre's after 60,000km
So Dad to the rescue
We put Michelin as I like them, they come standard with them
I had Michelin on my Honda Jazz and sold it with 75,000km on it and it still passed a roadworthy but a Honda Jazz is much lighter and less power than the Tesla3
So I am guessing 60,000km out of a set of tyre's is not bad
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 05, 2024, 05:16:18 PM
I guess a lot of it comes down to how heavy a foot you have and also what sort of roads you drive on as well...
Post by: Wild Rose on April 05, 2024, 07:32:49 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 06, 2024, 10:29:36 AM
She had Michelin Pilot Sport 4 on it but had to put Pilot Sport 5's on it as the 4's are no longer available
I just happened to look up the price of those tyres and I nearly choked! :eek
I think I paid around $140 each for the tyres I have on my i30...
Post by: cravenhaven on April 06, 2024, 04:57:03 PM
I just happened to look up the price of those tyres and I nearly choked! :eekI paid $125 for the tyres on my Tesla 18 months ago. People spend ridiculous amounts on maintenance and upgrades with very little research all the time. It's what happens when you prefer ignorance over enlightenment.
I think I paid around $140 each for the tyres I have on my i30...
Post by: Wild Rose on April 06, 2024, 05:08:30 PM
She had Michelin Pilot Sport 4 on it but had to put Pilot Sport 5's on it as the 4's are no longer available
I just happened to look up the price of those tyres and I nearly choked! :eek
I think I paid around $140 each for the tyres I have on my i30...
I know they weren’t cheap, I just let my Daughter have part of her inheritance early
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 06, 2024, 05:13:07 PM
I paid $125 for the tyres on my Tesla 18 months ago. People spend ridiculous amounts on maintenance and upgrades with very little research all the time. It's what happens when you prefer ignorance over enlightenment.
Geez, are they Chinese home brand tyres or something? :eek
I'm surprised you could get a tyre anywhere for that price, especially considering the profile & wheel size on a Tesla!
I'm a bit of a believer you get what you pay for and really cheap tyres are a no no for me...
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 06, 2024, 05:14:25 PM
I know they weren’t cheap, I just let my Daughter have part of her inheritance early
:thumbs
Post by: Skip on April 08, 2024, 07:51:35 PM
My Daughter has a Tesla3We had a 2015 Honda HRV. First set of tyres, 112,000km. We gave it to our daughter. Car has now 228,000. still on the 2nd set of tyres.
Before Christmas she had to get new tyre's after 60,000km
So Dad to the rescue
We put Michelin as I like them, they come standard with them
I had Michelin on my Honda Jazz and sold it with 75,000km on it and it still passed a roadworthy but a Honda Jazz is much lighter and less power than the Tesla3
So I am guessing 60,000km out of a set of tyre's is not bad
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 11, 2024, 09:08:45 PM
https://youtu.be/Vy_o5jxcjjY?si=i-ItXYphqWQmBmM8
Post by: Skip on April 11, 2024, 09:28:53 PM
Are second-hand electric cars worth the value despite prices falling fast?No thanks.
https://youtu.be/Vy_o5jxcjjY?si=i-ItXYphqWQmBmM8
Post by: Marcus on April 12, 2024, 09:44:30 AM
You guys know that "oil" is finite, right? That means it will run out.
(https://i.ibb.co/Jv3RyQh/2024-04-12-09-23-49.png)
So what do all of you guys laughing at EVs think is going to happen then when people can't use their cars anymore?
In my eye, it makes me think we need to start exploring various ways and methods we can use to transition to a new method of transport
I wonder if electricity could hold the answer, lets build some cars to find out
Oh, but wait... we can't do that because people will laugh at us and tell us it is all a big waste of time, so all those people posting funny photos and videos and pointing at the people trying to innovate and actually come up with an alternative, and even laugh at the people for adopting said new technology well they are crazy.
Kinda makes me wonder what would have happened if Thomas Edison had given up because of people laughing at his stupid light bulb, or The Wright Brothers because people showed them a cartoon in the paper stating horses are fast enough.
If you guys think EVs are no good, What's your solution, 47 years of oil left
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 12, 2024, 12:12:26 PM
There's nothing wrong with exploring ways to transition but many believe EVs aren't a real viable option to replace ICE vehicles at this point due mainly to the obvious disadvantages of current batteries.
That's not to say there won't be breakthroughs in battery technology sometime in the future but at the moment EVs are, in my opinion, too expensive, weigh too much (compared to an ICE vehicle) and don't offer the range wanted by many people. Then there's also the lack of infrastructure, long-ish charge times, higher insurance premiums, expensive repair costs and the outrageous cost for a replacement battery.
And yes, I get that there are plenty of people out there that are happy with their EVs (and are prepared to live with their shortcomings) and good on them but at the end of the day there are just way too many disadvantages in owning an EV currently over an ICE car for this little black duck. :grin
That's my 2 bobs worth... :popcorn
Post by: Marcus on April 12, 2024, 01:01:14 PM
All the minerals used in EV batteries (and obviously the rest of the vehicle) are finite too, just sayin' :grinFor now, that's the only way we can make them, But we only have to make them once per car, as opposed to a car that uses a tank of fuel every week for the life of the car
There's nothing wrong with exploring ways to transition but many believe EVs aren't a real viable option to replace ICE vehicles at this point due mainly to the obvious disadvantages of current batteries.
So let's stop building and trying different versions and iterations. Let's stop trying to improve all the other systems a car needs just because one portion (battery) isn't as eco-friendly as it should be. why not keep going to and perfecting everything while the battery tech catches up?
How many times did SpaceX crash trying to perfect reusable autonomous landing of their rockets? should they have stopped after the first version because the tech wasn't there yet?
in my opinion, too expensive, weigh too much (compared to an ICE vehicle), and don't offer the range wanted by many people. Then there's also the lack of infrastructure, long-ish charge times, higher insurance premiums, expensive repair costs and the outrageous cost for a replacement battery.
Gee, that almost sounds exactly like what people said to people buying cars while they were driving their horse and buggy.
At the end of the day, there are just way too many disadvantages in owning an EV currently over an ICE car for this little black duck. :grin
The average person only commutes around 20-30K, so the handful of times they would drive enough distance to rechange while out on the road would be negligible
Sure there would be people who drive distance, EVs are not for them, in the same way as RAMs are not for inner-city
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 12, 2024, 03:00:19 PM
So let's stop building and trying different versions and iterations. Let's stop trying to improve all the other systems a car needs just because one portion (battery) isn't as eco-friendly as it should be. why not keep going to and perfecting everything while the battery tech catches up?
How many times did SpaceX crash trying to perfect reusable autonomous landing of their rockets? should they have stopped after the first version because the tech wasn't there yet?
There's also nothing stopping improvements for these other systems in ICE cars while we wait for better batteries...
Re your SpaceX comment, the difference is SpaceX aren't using the general public to iron out any issues...
Tesla, on the other hand are quite happy to use the public as guinea pigs to perfect their autonomous software! :||||
Gee, that almost sounds exactly like what people said to people buying cars while they were driving their horse and buggy.
That's because the issues back then were probably just as relevant as they are now... :grin
The average person only commutes around 20-30K, so the handful of times they would drive enough distance to rechange while out on the road would be negligible
Maybe so, but that doesn't negate all the other downsides such as mentioned earlier...
At the end of the day each of us have a different perspective and that's okay, but in saying that, there does seem to be growing concerns about EVs being the answer...
I guess time will tell... :popcorn
Post by: Shillas on April 12, 2024, 03:32:10 PM
An article from the RAA of SA (Equivalent to RACV, NRMA etc)
EVs: The truth behind the myths - Taking charge of EV misinformation.
A survey conducted by RAA has revealed South Australians have some concerns about EVs. But are these fears fact or fiction? We tackle some EV myths.
In 1899, during the early days of motoring, prominent South Australian Julian Ayers asked the Adelaide City Council if a car imported from England could be driven on city streets. A Council representative replied, “I have to inform you that it is scarcely possible to say with certainty that motor cars will be permitted in the streets of Adelaide without knowing more about them.”
Needless to say, this fancy new hobby soon caught on. With any emerging technology, there are questions about cost, safety, practicality, and these days, environmental impact.
Just as the arrival of the horseless carriage caused a ripple of unease in communities around the world, the advent of electric vehicles (EVs) has seen mixed reactions.
An RAA survey last year revealed a range of concerns about EVs, including purchase cost, driving range, charging infrastructure availability, fire risk and battery recycling. We take a look at these five factors to separate myth from reality.
1. EVs are too expensive
Three quarters of survey respondents said the cost of EVs was stopping them from buying one. EVs come in a range of shapes, sizes and, of course, price tags. While a standard Model 3 Tesla will set you back about $61,900 plus on-road costs, the base-model BYD Dolphin costs about $38,890 before on-roads.
Keep an eye out for the one of the latest EV offerings, the GWM Ora. The base model is currently available for $35,990 drive away.
In comparison, a base-model petrol Toyota Corolla hatch – similar in size to the Dolphin – has a sticker price of about $29,610 before on-roads. EVs are comparatively more expensive than ICE (petrol, diesel and autogas-powered) vehicles, but prices are constantly dropping.
To encourage sales, the South Australian Government is offering a three-year registration fee exemption for new battery-electric and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles first registered in SA, until 30 June 2025.
The scheme has a vehicle price cap of $68,750 (including GST). Conditions apply, so visit treasury.sa.gov.au for the full details. At the federal level, fuel-efficient vehicles, including EVs, enjoy a higher purchase-price threshold before the luxury car tax (LCT) applies.
2. EVs have poor range
‘Range anxiety’ is the fear of running out of battery charge and being left stranded. In fact, 70 per cent of survey respondents cited range anxiety as a barrier to EV ownership. The distance an EV can travel on a full charge varies between vehicles.
The folk at Polestar claim that under the right conditions, the Polestar 2 Long Range Single Motor model can clock up to 655km between charges, while the Mini Cooper SE may become a little breathless around the 400km mark.
The Tesla Model Y can cover up to 514km before needing a plug-in, which means a road trip to Melbourne can be completed with just one recharge along the way.
Vehicles with ranges around the mid-400km to low-500km mark are common among the rest of the EV pack. Just like ICE vehicles, an EV’s range can be affected by driving conditions, as well as air-con and heater use.
3. There’s insufficient charging infrastructure
A lack of public EV charging infrastructure was high on the list of survey respondents’ concerns, with 71 per cent seeing it as a problem. When petrol vehicles first hit our roads many years ago, motorists needed to carry top-up fuel until petrol stations started appearing in the countryside.
Similarly, early EV drivers could barely leave major cities without suffering justifiable range anxiety. Since then, the charging network has expanded rapidly throughout the nation.
In conjunction with the State Government, RAA is three-quarters of the way through establishing 140 charging stations throughout SA, powered by net 100 per cent renewable energy. Nearly all these chargers are less than 200km from the next one, and 75 per cent are in regional SA.
The (7kW) Destination chargers, usually found at places like caravan parks and motels, take several hours to recharge a battery, which is ideal when you’re staying overnight.
Rapid (150kW) and Ultra-rapid (200kW) chargers, commonly found on highways and in town centres, can do the job in 15 to 45 minutes, allowing travellers time to take a break, grab a coffee and refresh themselves.
4. EVs are a fire hazard
Research conducted by consultancy firm EV FireSafe, found that EVs are less likely to catch fire than ICE vehicles. However, because EVs are the new kids on the block, they receive much more attention when an incident occurs.
The combustibility of EV lithium-ion (Li-ion) batteries is the main concern, but according to EV FireSafe, there have only been seven EV battery fires in Australia. Three of these were caused by building fires that ignited the batteries, and one each was the result of arson, a collision, road debris hitting the battery pack, and a fire in a damaged battery that had been removed from a car.
Given there are about 130,000 EVs on Australian roads, the likelihood of a battery fire is very small.
Manufacturers use a range of methods to protect batteries from damage and overheating. Fire services handle EV fires differently than ICE fires, so EV number plates must display a blue, triangular plate to identify the vehicle as an EV.
5. EV batteries can’t be recycled
Although EV motors don’t emit greenhouse gases, and wind and solar provide much of SA’s power generation, questions have been raised about the recyclability of Li-ion batteries. Nearly half of survey respondents cited this as a barrier to EV ownership.
Depending on the manufacturer, batteries carry a warranty of about eight years or 160,000km, whichever comes first. However, batteries can last much longer.
So when a battery does need replacing, what happens to the old one? As well as plastic, Li-ion batteries contain a variety of materials, including steel, aluminium, copper, graphite, nickel, cobalt and lithium.
Recycling is a complex process, but the amount of material that can be recovered and re-used has improved significantly over the past few years. These days, more than 90 per cent of the plastics, metals and minerals can be separated and recycled effectively.
While efficiency and safety have long been the main focus of battery manufacturers, there’s a growing emphasis on improved recyclability.
Some batteries can also be repurposed to store power for homes and businesses once their EV days are over.
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 12, 2024, 07:51:53 PM
A look at their website tells me they sell EV car insurance, EV Chargers and also have their own EV charging network so it's not surprising they are encouraging EVs.
https://www.raa.com.au/motor/ev-hub (https://www.raa.com.au/motor/ev-hub)
Post by: LindsayGT on April 13, 2024, 12:00:37 AM
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 13, 2024, 09:44:01 AM
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 13, 2024, 12:32:23 PM
By Craig Cole, Senior Editor, EV Pulse
There are rules for everything. Pay your taxes… wear pants… don’t drive on the sidewalk … and if you own an electric vehicle, you need to be aware of the “80% rule.” Why is 80% an important number if you own an electric car, crossover, or pick-up?
There are two reasons: charging performance and battery longevity. Most of the time you should only charge an EV to 80% because charging rates slow down dramatically past the 80% mark. And two, the long-term health of your vehicle’s battery pack is improved when kept below 100%.
What does all this mean?
Concerning charging rates, a good example is the Hyundai Ioniq 5 with the optional, long-range battery. This hatchback-like crossover can DC fast charge from 10 to 80% in an incredibly quick 18 minutes. But it needs an additional 32 minutes to go from 80 to 100% - almost twice as long as it took to go from 10 to 80.
Why? Charging is not linear. Instead of batteries taking in energy at a constant, predictable rate, the rate actually changes based on a myriad of variables, though most importantly, the battery’s state of charge. Simply put, the fuller the battery is, the slower it absorbs energy. Imagine if a conventional car’s gas tank took longer and longer to fill up the closer it got to being full. It's kind of crazy.
The best analogy I’ve heard for why charging slows down is that batteries are like theater seating. When you’re one of the first people to enter, it’s quick and easy to find a chair – you can sit anywhere – but as the theater fills up, it takes a lot longer to snag a spot and sit down. In the Li-MAX Cineplex above, the electrons are climbing over each other and spilling popcorn everywhere!
It’s important to know about the “80 % rule” if you’re on a long-distance drive in an EV. When it’s time to charge, it’s often smarter to stop at 80% and then get back on the road, instead of waiting for the battery to completely fill up. Doing so maximizes your use of time.
For example, if your EV has 300 miles of range when fully juiced up, that means it can go about 240 miles with an 80% state of charge. (Obviously, you’re going to stop and power up before hitting zero miles, but let’s keep things simple and say 240.) If the 0-to-80% recharge time is 40 minutes, you can hit the road in little more than half an hour. If you want to fully replenish the battery, it could realistically take an additional 90 minutes to go from 80 to 100%. In the time it took you to gain that extra range, you could be a hundred miles or more down the road and in the vicinity of another charger. That’s why stopping at 80% usually makes the most sense (though that is something YOU have to determine).
There are, of course, instances where you’ll want to wait longer to hit 100%. Maybe there are huge distances between DC fast chargers, and you need every bit of range you can get. It could be the dead of winter and you have range anxiety about making it to your destination. Or you’re towing a car or boat, and the extra weight means you need the additional kilowatt-hours to get you to the next charging station.
The other reason to avoid going all the way to 100 is because it can help preserve battery life. Whether it’s a phone, cordless drill, or your car, batteries simply don’t like to be full. Keeping them topped to the brim means, over time, the maximum kilowatt-hours they can hold shrinks faster than it would otherwise. Always concerned about warranty costs, automakers even suggest limiting how much you charge. Car companies make this easy to do with an infotainment system that allows you to set your preferred charge level – even when you’re not at home.
It’s important to note that you can charge your EV to 100%, but it’s just that for optimal battery life over the long haul, charging to a lower percentage is a good idea. It’s like changing engine oil in an old-school vehicle. You can follow the manufacturer’s recommendation, but doing it more frequently is never a bad idea, especially if you plan on keeping your car or truck for years and years.
Link to article source: https://tinyurl.com/5n6nbpaj
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 16, 2024, 12:02:49 PM
The rental-car giant has been accused of billing customers for not topping up electric hire cars to the maximum charge level – even though
they physically wouldn't be able to do so unless the charging station is next door.
A leading car rental company is reviewing its practices after it was discovered it has been quietly limiting the battery capacity of its electric
cars – and billing customers for not returning the vehicle with maximum charge.
Hertz customers borrowing an electric Polestar 2, available at 22 sites across the country, are told in their rental agreement that the vehicle
is handed over with 90 per cent charge, and must be topped up to the same level when it is returned – or they will incur a fee.
However, the company has locked the vehicles from charging beyond 90 per cent, so unless the charging station is in close proximity to the
Hertz location, drivers are unable to hand the car back without dropping below 90 per cent charge – and paying a fee.
To continue reading, click this link: https://www.drive.com.au/news/exclusive-hertz-quietly-capping-electric-cars-charge/ (https://www.drive.com.au/news/exclusive-hertz-quietly-capping-electric-cars-charge/)
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 21, 2024, 09:50:10 PM
Limited driving ranges – which are halved when towing or carrying a load – are among the reasons today's electric utes are not ready for most Australians, according to a top Kia executive.
The local boss of South Korean car giant Kia says the current generation of electric utes – with high prices, and limited driving ranges that are cut in half when towing – are not yet suited to Australia.
Kia head office is currently developing two electric pick-ups, both due in 2026 – including one based on the diesel 'Tasman' ute coming to Australian showrooms mid next year.
However the CEO of Kia Australia, Damien Meredith, has acknowledged that – with current battery technology – electric utes are not yet suitable for Australian buyers who require a large payload and towing capacity without sacrificing driving range.
Only one electric ute is on sale in Australia, the LDV eT60, but it costs about $100,000 drive-away, more than double the price of the diesel version, and can tow a third of what the diesel can (1000kg vs 3000kg).
Electric pick-ups sold in the US can travel further unladen – and tow up to 4.5 tonnes – but independent testing has found driving range is cut roughly in half when towing at maximum capacity, or the tray is full.
It is this mix – a need to drive long distances, carry loads, tow even larger loads, and be capable of off-road use, while offering SUV-like interior comfort – that means utes are considered the hardest type of vehicle to electrify.
"We can all answer that question from different points of view, but ... bluntly, I don't think we're ready for an electric ute in Australia right now with what's available, for lots of reasons," Mr Meredith told Drive when asked if Australia is ready for an electric ute.
"If payload comes into play, instead of having a 450-kilometre range, you've got a 200-kilometre range. There are lots of negatives I think we're gaining."
Click HERE (https://www.drive.com.au/news/australia-not-ready-for-electric-utes-kia-aus-boss/) to continue reading.
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 22, 2024, 08:13:44 PM
https://youtu.be/iE8AmkQRhlg?si=li-mwy5Ugb1Yf8AE
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 25, 2024, 11:39:39 AM
The unveiling of Ford’s electric pick-up truck, the F-150 Lightning, in Australia has sparked excitement and scepticism among tradies and car enthusiasts alike.
With its classic American design reminiscent of the brand’s iconic gas-guzzling “yank tanks,” the Lightning is hoped to become the Australian tradie’s next best mate.
However, the hefty price tag of approximately $280,000 has left some in its target market scratching their heads.
Tradies reacted awkwardly this week to the staggering cost when 9 News reporter Abbey Geran presented them with the price tag.
To continue reading, click HERE (https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/on-the-road/thats-a-bit-spicy-aussie-tradies-awkward-reaction-to-fords-electric-ute-the-f150-lightning/news-story/e313a4e168e3117cb8226c0f1d8dc2bf)
I love this: :rofl
Quote
"Despite the sticker shock, AusEV suggests that customers consider the electric ute’s comparatively low running costs.
With a cost of $2 per 100 kilometres to run, significantly less than petrol F-150 models, and five years of free servicing, the Lightning could potentially save customers up to $32,500 over five years"
So, maybe in around 20 years you might just about break even! :rofl
Post by: Marcus on April 25, 2024, 02:11:30 PM
So, maybe in around 20 years you might just about break even! :rofl
Most tradies should go down this route TBH (as they only really work in their area) but yeah FORD needs to dramatically reduce the price by at least half, people will buy, proven by the clowns who buy 100K landcrusers and then spend another 50K on mods
Post by: cravenhaven on April 25, 2024, 02:27:44 PM
EVs aren't even WORTH FIXING, sent to JUNK YARD instead
https://youtu.be/iE8AmkQRhlg?si=li-mwy5Ugb1Yf8AE
Looking at the figures for mechanic training in EV's, it would seem that the courses are available but at a significant cost, and from an ongoing value for money perspective, service companies arer going to find it tough to consider it. A bit of a chicken and egg situation a bit like the EV charger vs EV numbers conundrum.
I also read in a UK article where the author was discussing the dissassembly and repair of an EV battery by an everyday mechanic. This just confuses the situation because mechanics these days dont even repair the major components of ICE cars, eg gearboxes, diffs, engines are all done by specialist companies. EV batteries and motors are the same.
Post by: Williamson on April 25, 2024, 02:44:54 PM
Most tradies should go down this route TBH (as they only really work in their area) but yeah FORD needs to dramatically reduce the price by at least half, people will buy, proven by the clowns who buy 100K landcrusers and then spend another 50K on mods.
Have a couple of cashed-up, bogan tradie neighbours, seem to be always thinking-up new ways to spend. For one, the Land Cruiser has been replaced with a Dodge RAM, optioned-up to over $200K (so he proudly tells everyone), a $180K Lotus caravan (despite having a holiday hpuse), a $200K wake (what's that anyway) boat, work ute is a new Ranger Wildtrack, when he took delivery of that the work tradie trailer went of the the shop, returned with custom paint and pinstripe job and wheels (to match the Ranger), would've been quite a few $K in that. And then he has the cheek to complain about the price of fuel - 1st world problem.
I can see him buying an EV ute, it only needs to get him to the holiday house at Bonnie Doon.
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 28, 2024, 09:20:14 PM
https://youtu.be/wuxR3h1_j_k?si=VYI2wlgjA8dm2ido
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 29, 2024, 07:27:15 PM
https://youtu.be/GjUMI5spWeU?si=ARRUAF1SW-bJs_bE
Post by: Shillas on May 04, 2024, 09:16:08 AM
They don't know what they're talking about.
Personally, I drive two top of the range EVs, a Jaguar and a Porsche.
Their acceleration and handling is fantastic. They look brilliant and they're really cheap to run. They need hardly any maintenance and haven't depreciated since I bought them.
Literally the only criticism I could make of them is sometimes, if I really push them into a corner, they can fly off the track and get stuck under the sofa....
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 04, 2024, 09:53:46 AM
Post by: Williamson on May 04, 2024, 10:12:59 AM
... if I really push them into a corner, they can fly off the track and get stuck under the sofa....
Thanks for the reminder, I must go a dig-out, and then set-up, the slot cars sets for the grandkids. These vids are around 9 year now, there have been five more grandies since then. I'm pretty sure it will be fun for the little ones, and old one.
https://youtu.be/mlAmIRfnHz8?si=QkPrq-JCTt4kKWuD
https://youtu.be/E_-36ZFaLuk?si=8NMI-MoqPQvUFhsi
That little bloke in the vids is Edward (now 15 yo). Here he is with his little (12 yo) brother, who is now taller than Helen, pic from last Christmas.
Scalextric or Aurora AFX? :popcorn
Aurora AFX - I think there's around six or so sets.
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 09, 2024, 04:19:47 PM
As for buying one...if Sue & I buy a new car in the foreseeable future it certainly won't be an EV for the following reasons...
Price - paying probably an extra $20,000 over the top of an equivalent ICE vehicle would definitely be out of the question.
Driving Range - with my current car offering around twice the range of an EV why would I want to go for something with way less? I suffer enough range anxiety with my ST1300 at times...lol.
Charging Costs - While people with EVs skite about being able to charge their EV at home for free it's not actually free if you've had to spend probably 20 grand installing solar panels and a battery just so you can do it.
Also, with recent soaring charging costs there doesn't seem to be much difference between that and what it would cost for fuel these days.
Lost time while charging an EV - When I do a road trip I often just want to get to where I'm going in the quickest possible time with the bare minimum of stops and having to possibly wait for access to a charger and the time spent charging means I won't be able to travel as far in a day as I would in my diesel.
Road Tax - With currently no road tax on EVs it's only a matter of time before the Federal Government introduces one which will obviously decrease any advantage an EV MAY have over a ICE vehicle.
Towing - I like to tow a trailer at times and yes, I know I could do that with an EV but that greatly reduces its traveling range, something that is way less of an issue with an ICE vehicle.
Heating & Cooling - Using either in an EV is going to reduce driving range, using either in my diesel makes basically no difference to its fuel consumption.
Cheers :beer
Just an add-on as to why I wouldn't buy an EV...
Replacement Battery Cost - The cost of replacing the battery in an EV can cost you an arm & a leg...
I'm sure anyone with the slightest interest in EVs has heard about the Canadian Hyundai Ioniq 5 owner being charged 60,000 Canadian dollars to have his EV battery replaced?
That's not a misprint...That works out to be something like $68,000 Aussie dollars!
Since then another Ioniq 5 owner has come out and confirmed the replacement cost is indeed C$60,000... >:()
Yet more add-ons... :whistle
No spare tyre - The vast majority of EVs don't come with a spare. :||||
Depreciation - EVs depreciate faster than an ICE car...
Post by: cravenhaven on May 11, 2024, 01:40:43 PM
Post by: cravenhaven on May 11, 2024, 01:50:08 PM
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/61152/car-manufacturers-ditch-spare-tyres#:~:text=A%20number%20of%20manufacturers%20don,cars%20use%20run%2Dflat%20tyres. (https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/61152/car-manufacturers-ditch-spare-tyres#:~:text=A%20number%20of%20manufacturers%20don,cars%20use%20run%2Dflat%20tyres.)
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 11, 2024, 02:30:15 PM
Many new cars are ditching the spare. It'll soon be common across all manufacturers:
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/61152/car-manufacturers-ditch-spare-tyres#:~:text=A%20number%20of%20manufacturers%20don,cars%20use%20run%2Dflat%20tyres. (https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/61152/car-manufacturers-ditch-spare-tyres#:~:text=A%20number%20of%20manufacturers%20don,cars%20use%20run%2Dflat%20tyres.)
Fair comment but it still seems to be worse when it comes to EVs...
There are still quite a few car manufacturers that fit a full size spare or, at the very least, include a space saver spare which, while not ideal is better than no spare at all.
Here's a list as of 2020: https://tinyurl.com/bdfteexh (https://tinyurl.com/bdfteexh)
I assume spare tyres are being left out of EVs mostly to try to increase their range, not that they haven't got space for one...
Post by: cravenhaven on May 12, 2024, 09:54:06 AM
I assume spare tyres are being left out of EVs mostly to try to increase their range, not that they haven't got space for one...
I presume you're correct, but it seems to be minimal gain for a big loss in user acceptance. The Tesla's have a large space under the boot floor, but not quite large enough for a spare, so I wonder if they just ran out of space and decided then to ditch it altogether.
There's also a large space in the frunk area, but again, not quite big enough for a spare.
Post by: Williamson on May 12, 2024, 10:37:34 AM
I assume spare tyres are being left out of EVs mostly to try to increase their range, not that they haven't got space for one...
I presume you're correct, but it seems to be minimal gain for a big loss in user acceptance. The Tesla's have a large space under the boot floor, but not quite large enough for a spare, so I wonder if they just ran out of space and decided then to ditch it altogether.
There's also a large space in the frunk area, but again, not quite big enough for a spare.
Spare anxiety, perhaps like range anxiety, is for some only in the mind of the user. I haven't needed a spare in a car, ute, 4WD (work or private) for many, many years - I can't remember the last time I changed a tyre on the side of the road. The spare in Helen's 2008 Mazda 6 had never been used in 180,000km.
Yeah, I've had a slow leak, made it home and changed the spare, or in the case of the work vehicles, taken it to the Depot. A different matter on the bike (pushy, eBike or motorbike), where I've had an air leak, the only viable option is for a roadside repair.
Any of the spareless vehicles (EV & ICE) we looked at in 2022 had a puncture repair kit (better than my motorcycle kit). If I had a puncture in the car I'd repair as I would on the motorbike. A vehicle being spareless wouldn't be a deal breaker for me.
Having said that, with our upcoming 15,000km trip to Darwin and Cooktown, we won't be without spares for the Jeep and caravan.
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 12, 2024, 10:38:30 AM
https://tinyurl.com/2vawp42f
Post by: Wild Rose on May 12, 2024, 11:24:23 AM
She never went back and collected it
Don't call me if you get a flat tyre
Post by: cravenhaven on May 12, 2024, 01:16:15 PM
Is this the sort of thing that could end up happening here in Australia? :popcornI think it would be a good idea, a bit like off-peak HWS. Weren't they doing this in south OZ?.
https://tinyurl.com/2vawp42f
Post by: Marcus on May 12, 2024, 05:10:50 PM
We're in a transition period from petrol and EV. And once the price becomes competitive you'll find the uptake to EV will be enormous
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 12, 2024, 05:12:01 PM
I think it would be a good idea, a bit like off-peak HWS. Weren't they doing this in south OZ?.
To me, if that sort of drastic action is needed now, can you imagine what it will be like when every man and his dog has an EV? :||||
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 12, 2024, 05:20:13 PM
Unless I'm mistaken you can't rotate tiers on Tesla so that means you can't have a spare. Road side assistance is there for a reason
I can't imagine why you couldn't...
As long as the tyres are the same size etc there should be no reason why you wouldn't be able to use one.
Yes, I get that most modern tyres are only supposed to be run in one direction but that shouldn't create an issue short term.
Better than hoping there's roadside assist out in the middle of no-where assuming you even have phone service to call them in the first place!
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 12, 2024, 05:36:29 PM
Spare anxiety, perhaps like range anxiety, is for some only in the mind of the user. I haven't needed a spare in a car, ute, 4WD (work or private) for many, many years - I can't remember the last time I changed a tyre on the side of the road. The spare in Helen's 2008 Mazda 6 had never been used in 180,000km.
You're lucky...with rural roads getting worse and worse it's bound to happen sooner or later. We've needed the spare twice on Sue's car.
Once when a sharp edge of a pothole ripped the inside tyre-wall open and another when a tyre developed a bulge...
Post by: Williamson on May 12, 2024, 05:56:16 PM
... tiers ...
Predictive text is ready to bite anytime, anyone, anywhere.
...Yes, I get that most modern tyres are only supposed to be run in one direction but that shouldn't create an issue short term ...
Other than, using a directional tyre in the wrong direction will possibly:
- Result in an unroadworthy vehicle, and leave the driver exposed to a penalty from VicPol (as happened to a mate).
- Void the vehicle insurance - in the event of a crash and a sharp assessor or VicPol noticing (and perhaps another penalty).
This would be a problem with EV and ICE (with directional tyres).
Post by: LindsayGT on May 12, 2024, 06:03:08 PM
Post by: Bodø on May 12, 2024, 06:06:15 PM
Mmmmm, perhaps I’ve been lucky on my 250000km on motorcycles since 2009, coz I’ve never had a flat tyre. I suppose I’m lucky coz I also never carried a spare tyre on any of my motorcycles!
:rofl
I carry an emergency repair kit. It's come in handy on three occasions.
Post by: LindsayGT on May 12, 2024, 06:09:39 PM
Mmmmm, perhaps I’ve been lucky on my 250000km on motorcycles since 2009, coz I’ve never had a flat tyre. I suppose I’m lucky coz I also never carried a spare tyre on any of my motorcycles!
:rofl
I carry an emergency repair kit. It's come in handy on three occasions.
Yes, very wise. I also carried a repair kit and compressor whenever I went out of town.
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 12, 2024, 08:08:39 PM
Other than, using a directional tyre in the wrong direction will possibly:
- Result in an unroadworthy vehicle, and leave the driver exposed to a penalty from VicPol (as happened to a mate).
- Void the vehicle insurance - in the event of a crash and a sharp assessor or VicPol noticing (and perhaps another penalty).
This would be a problem with EV and ICE (with directional tyres).
My comment "short term" was meant to mean that you could probably use it to get your vehicle to a tyre service or garage etc to have the damaged tyre repaired or replaced.
Bit of a grey area I guess but I would certainly use one in an emergency.
Did you know it's okay to use a space saver tyre in an emergency yet using different size wheels and tyres on the same axle is actually illegal?
You might also be interested to know that there's actually no mention whatsoever of unidirectional tyres in either the Vicroads Vehicle Standards Information - Roadworthy Requirements info sheet or their Tyre Maintenance & Repair sheet... :think1
And finally, if running unidirectional tyres in the wrong direction is illegal then surely you'd have to carry 2 spares? :grin
Post by: cravenhaven on May 14, 2024, 10:52:56 AM
Unless I'm mistaken you can't rotate tiers on Tesla so that means you can't have a spare. Road side assistance is there for a reason
There is no mention anywhere in the Tesla doco of not rotating tyres. In the Tesla community it is recommended that you rotate them on a regular basis of around 10,000km.
Post by: cravenhaven on May 14, 2024, 10:56:12 AM
Mmmmm, perhaps I’ve been lucky on my 250000km on motorcycles since 2009, coz I’ve never had a flat tyre. I suppose I’m lucky coz I also never carried a spare tyre on any of my motorcycles!
Only once had a flat tyre on a M/C and that was because it was well past it's replacement time and I was on the way to the tyre shop. Had to plug it, use a few of those little gas cylinders, then find a servo that'd let me use their airpump.
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 17, 2024, 10:24:42 AM
Australia’s EV sales boom falters
Electric vehicle sales drop for first time in three years, driven down by three factors.
Is the honeymoon over for electric vehicles in Australia?
It’s clear the EV sales surge has lost some of its spark, with the latest statistics revealing buyer demand for battery-electric vehicles waning in Australia and abroad.
To read more, click this link: https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/australias-ev-sales-boom-falters-145948/ (https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/australias-ev-sales-boom-falters-145948/)
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 17, 2024, 10:39:37 AM
https://youtu.be/NmcvWBnmKUU?si=-3XySSrCOeXjKR17
Post by: Marcus on May 17, 2024, 12:29:22 PM
Is this a sign of things to come? :popcornNo.
EVs are the future, you may not come kicking and screaming but the next generation will... guaranteed, The new financial year hasn't started yet plus the new emissions legislation, ICE is going to go the way of the dinosaur, no matter how many youtube videos you post of the goose John Cadogan
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 17, 2024, 03:11:39 PM
But, when people need to be encouraged to buy them in the way of incentives or actually FORCED to buy them by legislation you have to wonder...
The facts are, EV sales are slowing around the World whether EV zealots want to deny it or not. I guess time will tell whether that will continue to happen or if it's just a blip.
https://tinyurl.com/28963kva
The sad fact is, they aren't a like for like replacement for ICE vehicles at the moment.
Yes, they can be a half reasonable replacement if you live in the burbs and you have the capability to charge your vehicle at home, I get that, but they aren't yet suitable to fully replace ICE as things stand.
For example, If you need to tow a caravan or trailer an EV is crap as far as range goes compared to an ICE...as bad as half the normal range which realistically is nothing to write home about to start with...lol.
Then, if that's not bad enough, many chargers require you to back your vehicle in. So, you will then be required to unhitch the caravan, assuming there's even somewhere you can safely do that, charge your vehicle, then hook your van back up and continue on to the next charge point before you then have to go through the same procedure....Sounds like fun! :clap
Then of course there's heavy haulage, as things stand, an EV truck cannot offer the range and haulage capacity that a diesel truck currently does...
As for Cadogan, is he a "goose" because he's not supporting the EV zealots? :whistle
Post by: Marcus on May 17, 2024, 03:30:21 PM
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The sad fact is, they aren't a like for like replacement for ICE vehicles at the moment
That's why this is a transition period, every new thing needs time to develop. Nothing enters the market fully fleshed for every eventuality
Post by: LindsayGT on May 17, 2024, 03:42:10 PM
https://www.bing.com/search?q=transition+from+horse+to+automobile&qs=UT&pq=transition+from+horse+&sc=10-22&cvid=C1CA38C07C9F4CAE874B7799ABB55109&FORM=QBLH&sp=1&ghc=1&lq=0 (https://www.bing.com/search?q=transition+from+horse+to+automobile&qs=UT&pq=transition+from+horse+&sc=10-22&cvid=C1CA38C07C9F4CAE874B7799ABB55109&FORM=QBLH&sp=1&ghc=1&lq=0)
In February 2022 I purchased a Mazda CX5 Akera 2.5T and love it. So I’m Not an early adopter. My son owns a BYD and from all reports, likes it a lot as a shopping trolley.
Cadogan is really quite deluded! His presentations are puerile.
Confirmation Bias is certainly evident in this thread. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)
I have no doubt that EVs are the way of the future but I’m not ready for one in my garage. You only have to look at the R&D going into battery and charger technology.
But it won’t happen overnight, just like the transition from horse to motor vehicle!
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 17, 2024, 07:38:59 PM
The transition from horses to motor vehicles did not happen overnight! Lots of interesting reading here.
From that article:
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Why is the horse no longer used for riding?
Explanation: Horses are no longer used for riding because with time humans are getting advanced and they have invented better means of transport which are faster and way comfortable than traveling on horses.
Copilot also had this to say:
The transition from horse-drawn carriages to automobiles brought about several significant benefits. Here are some of the key advantages of cars:
- Speed and Efficiency: Automobiles allowed people to travel faster and cover longer distances in a shorter time. Unlike horses, which had limited speed and endurance, cars could maintain consistent speeds on roads.
- Convenience: Cars provided greater convenience for daily transportation. People no longer needed to rely on horse stables, feed, and harnessing. They could simply hop into their cars and drive to their destinations.
- Independence: Owning a car gave individuals more independence and control over their mobility. They were no longer dependent on public transportation schedules or the availability of horses.
- Cargo Transport: Cars were not only for passengers; they also facilitated the movement of goods. Trucks and delivery vans became essential for commerce, allowing businesses to transport products efficiently.
- Urbanization: The rise of automobiles contributed to urbanization. Cities expanded, and suburbs developed as people could commute from farther distances. This led to changes in city planning, road infrastructure, and housing patterns.
- Social Mobility: Cars became a status symbol and a marker of social mobility. Owning a car was associated with prosperity and upward mobility.
- Innovation and Industry: The automobile industry spurred innovation in manufacturing, engineering, and design. It created jobs and boosted economic growth.
- Tourism and Exploration: Cars enabled people to explore new places, go on road trips, and experience different landscapes. Tourism flourished as families could travel to scenic destinations.
- Emergency Services: Police, fire departments, and medical services adopted cars for faster response times during emergencies.
- Environmental Impact: While cars have environmental drawbacks, such as pollution and traffic congestion, they also allowed for more efficient transportation networks, reducing the need for horses and their associated waste.
Confirmation Bias is certainly evident in this thread. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias)
That works both ways, Lindsay! :grin
At the end of the day this thread is highlighting the many downsides of EVs.
There's nothing stopping anyone from starting another thread highlighting the benefits of EVs if they so choose... :popcorn
Post by: Biggles on May 20, 2024, 05:48:23 PM
More grist for the mill:
https://joannenova.com.au/2024/05/the-ev-car-crash-continues/ (https://joannenova.com.au/2024/05/the-ev-car-crash-continues/)
Post by: Williamson on May 20, 2024, 07:59:29 PM
Bold, oversize font in some threads is akin to being shouted at, and is not necessary or appropriate in a debate.
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 20, 2024, 08:28:12 PM
There are upsides and downsides. Many people highlighting the advantages of EV’s could be accused of confirmation bias; people highlighting the disadvantages of EV’s could also be accused of confirmation bias.
That's already happened and some of the responses got quite personal... >:()
Bold, oversize font in some threads is akin to being shouted at, and is not necessary or appropriate in a debate.
They are called headings, Michael... :popcorn
Post by: LindsayGT on May 23, 2024, 02:42:35 PM
Is this just an expensive experiment?
Post by: CallMeSteve on May 23, 2024, 02:49:52 PM
https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/2024/mar/team-global-express-rolls-out-australia-s-largest-logistics-elec.html (https://www.volvotrucks.com.au/en-au/news/press-releases/2024/mar/team-global-express-rolls-out-australia-s-largest-logistics-elec.html)
Is this just an expensive experiment?
Time will tell. It appears that they intend to use them in Metro areas, which honestly is the only place it makes any sense. I assume they will have a battery (pun not intended) of very fast chargers at the depot. Plus a massive, massive transformer or substation to supply those fast chargers.
Post by: LindsayGT on May 23, 2024, 02:59:31 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 23, 2024, 08:38:04 PM
Is this just an expensive experiment?
Who knows, like Steve said, time will tell...
I did read elsewhere that they have had a couple of issues...one truck didn't make it back to the depot and had to be towed apparently due to a particularly hot day which could be an issue down the track what with global warming and all... :whistle
Anyhow, hopefully it's more successful than Janus Electric's trial where they lost 2 out of 6 trucks to fire...
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 24, 2024, 09:27:44 AM
https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-slashes-prices-in-australia-may-2024/ (https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-slashes-prices-in-australia-may-2024/)
I guess it's good if you're looking at buying one though...
Post by: Marcus on May 27, 2024, 02:56:54 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 27, 2024, 09:14:22 PM
There does seem to be lots of estimates, expectations and rubbery figures produced in the article to support the narrative but at the end of the day I don't disagree with the fact that EVs are "greener" than ICE vehicles.
Whether they are as green as they like to project, that's probably debatable...
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More than 3 million Australian homes have rooftop solar and, according to a 2021 survey, most EV owners plug into their own set-up.
A car that's charged with rooftop solar produces even lower emissions over its lifetime.
Out of those 3 million homes only around 180,000 have batteries. I'd like to know how many of them also have an EV!
There are obviously a lot of people charging their EVs from the grid overnight with power most likely produced with coal/gas, depending on what State you live in.
Crowing that there are 3 million Australian homes with rooftop solar does sound much more impressive though if you're pushing the EV narrative. :whistle
Oh, by the way, it was only a few days ago that the NSW government extended the life of Australia’s biggest coal-fired power station for at least two more years so that might throw their calculations out a bit. :grin
Anyhow, if you're happy to put up with the inconveniences of EV ownership, go for it...I very much doubt I'll be having one in my garage any time soon for all the reasons I've put forward in my other posts... :popcorn
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 28, 2024, 09:26:52 AM
https://tinyurl.com/2n9sukrm
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 31, 2024, 12:07:05 PM
https://youtu.be/h4f-crzpZ9w?si=na6gaJ6IwNXrdxR5
Post by: Joso on May 31, 2024, 06:56:52 PM
Post by: Joso on June 02, 2024, 12:28:36 AM
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 02, 2024, 11:03:31 AM
The word is they are less likely to catch on fire compared to an ICE vehicle although it will be interesting to see if that changes as they age, and we get more and more EVs on our roads... :popcorn
Post by: LindsayGT on June 04, 2024, 12:24:29 AM
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 04, 2024, 09:07:11 AM
Hybrids do appear to be a much better option than full on EVs...
Post by: CallMeSteve on June 04, 2024, 10:42:13 AM
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/byds-new-hybrids-can-get-from-melbourne-to-brisbane-with-range-to-spare (https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/byds-new-hybrids-can-get-from-melbourne-to-brisbane-with-range-to-spare)
I don't have a dog in this fight, and I've never spent any serious time with a hybrid, so I'm happy to be corrected on anything I say.
I do think that hybrids make a lot of sense since they play to the strengths of both ICE and EV technology.
However I think the title of that article is misleading. There is no way I would expect to drive that vehicle from Melbourne to Brisbane at highway speed without a refuel.
From what I understand, the NEDC fuel consuption test is 25 years old, is very lenient and it is heavily geared towards slow-speed, stop-start city usage (which of course is where hybrids shine). The sources I've read suggest that the consumption measured under the newer WLTP standard that we use in Oz could be 30% hgher. So the quoted figure of 2.9l/100k could be more like 4l/100k, which is fairly common for hybrids in a pure city cycle.
Further, my understanding is that the fuel consumption benefits that hybrids achieve in the city evaporates on the open highway where the electrics are mostly unused and fuel consumption is largely determined by wind drag.
So to take an optimistic city-cycle fuel consumption and extrapolate it to 'Melbourne to Brisbane' is completely incorrect.
Post by: LindsayGT on June 04, 2024, 11:48:25 AM
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 04, 2024, 07:59:38 PM
By Bethan Yeoman
Is the electric vehicle honeymoon over?
Thousands of Teslas are piling up in what’s been described as an auto graveyard amid plummeting sales across Australia, with motoring
experts now worried the honeymoon is over for electric vehicles.
Two thousand Teslas arrive at Port Melbourne every month but sales slumped a massive 44 per cent in April, and many of the vehicles
have been pictured waiting to be moved on from the busy transport hub.
Click link to continue reading: https://7news.com.au/news/tesla-sales-numbers-slump-amid-uncertainty-over-evs-c-14905950
Post by: Williamson on June 04, 2024, 08:15:56 PM
Tesla sales numbers slump amid uncertainty over EVs
By Bethan Yeoman
Is the electric vehicle honeymoon over?
Thousands of Teslas are piling up in what’s been described as an auto graveyard amid plummeting sales across Australia, with motoring
experts now worried the honeymoon is over for electric vehicles.
Two thousand Teslas arrive at Port Melbourne every month but sales slumped a massive 44 per cent in April, and many of the vehicles
have been pictured waiting to be moved on from the busy transport hub.
Click link to continue reading: https://7news.com.au/news/tesla-sales-numbers-slump-amid-uncertainty-over-evs-c-14905950
More discounts coming?
Post by: Marcus on June 04, 2024, 08:18:33 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 04, 2024, 10:41:23 PM
Post by: LindsayGT on June 07, 2024, 03:16:02 PM
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/family-towing-a-caravan-across-australia-in-an-ev-to-prove-scomo-and-doubters-wrong (https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/family-towing-a-caravan-across-australia-in-an-ev-to-prove-scomo-and-doubters-wrong)
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 07, 2024, 04:05:25 PM
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They claim they averaged range of between 260km and 300km per charge
Nothing to write home about when you consider the camper is fairly lightweight with a tare weight of 1480kg...
While no-one is saying you can't do trips towing a camper with an EV, the point is, would you want to? :think1
Instead of a nice relaxing holiday cruising our huge Country, you'd be constantly planning and worrying whether you were going to make it to the next charger
and with that sort of range there would be little opportunity to deviate off your planned route for fear of being stranded out in the middle of no-where.
At least with an ICE, you'll have way more range and more options.
You can also carry a couple of jerry cans of fuel for those times that you feel like exploring further than you'd planned...
Post by: LindsayGT on June 07, 2024, 04:19:18 PM
More like stopping to "smell the roses", so to speak. https://www.thesmellofroses.com/posts/what-does-it-mean-to-take-time-to-smell-the-roses (https://www.thesmellofroses.com/posts/what-does-it-mean-to-take-time-to-smell-the-roses)
Very few negative comments on their facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/ElecTrekking (https://www.facebook.com/ElecTrekking)
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 07, 2024, 05:16:54 PM
They don't appear to be suffering from "range anxiety".
That's good for them if that's the case, but with their pretty limited range I'm sure there would be plenty out there that would...
More like stopping to "smell the roses", so to speak. https://www.thesmellofroses.com/posts/what-does-it-mean-to-take-time-to-smell-the-roses (https://www.thesmellofroses.com/posts/what-does-it-mean-to-take-time-to-smell-the-roses)
I know what "smelling the roses" means and all I can say you'll have plenty of time to do that while waiting for your EV to charge...lol.
Driving an ICE vehicle will allow you to "smell the roses" pretty much whenever you want... :p
Very few negative comments on their facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/ElecTrekking (https://www.facebook.com/ElecTrekking)
Probably because that sort of page would be attracting like-minded people and/or people just interested in their travels...
Post by: Gadget on June 12, 2024, 01:05:38 PM
50,000 km in and we've saved over $4,000 in fuel, and over $2,000 in servicing.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-10/farmer-switches-to-an-electric-vehicle-and-saves-thousands/103952104?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=other
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Post by: ruSTynutz on June 12, 2024, 02:08:04 PM
It will be interesting to see how the Tesla's suspension holds up long term travelling gravel roads although in saying that, the road in the video looked to be in pretty good nick.
Post by: Biggles on June 13, 2024, 12:21:30 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 13, 2024, 01:29:05 PM
The reason I mentioned the suspension is because there seems to be a fair bit of discussion online about suspension issues on Teslas so it may be an issue long term.
And while the guy says the maintenance is a lot less compared to his Landcruiser, he's comparing 2 completely different styles of vehicles, one is a 4WD and the other is a sedan...
I'd also like to know how old the Landcruiser is and how many k's it's got on the clock.
I suspect it probably has a lot so naturally there's likely to be a lot more maintenance required than a relatively new-ish vehicle.
Hmmm, I wonder if he carries a spare tyre?
Post by: LindsayGT on June 14, 2024, 05:34:21 PM
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/can-you-drive-around-australia-in-an-electric-car/ (https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/can-you-drive-around-australia-in-an-electric-car/)
https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-21-misleading-myths-about-electric-vehicles/ (https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-21-misleading-myths-about-electric-vehicles/)
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 14, 2024, 09:39:47 PM
It was nice that they actually admitted many of the shortcomings that an EV poses for that sort of touring.
The fact that they had a flat tyre shows that a spare really is a must have, especially with this sort of use, whether it's an EV or a ICE vehicle.
I'm assuming they carried the spare/spares in the trailer and not in the EV9, which, if true, is disappointing :||||
Most people don't have the luxury of a support vehicle and trailer following them around so it would have been more interesting/realistic to see the EV9 loaded up the way most people would have their vehicle loaded on a trip like this.
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However, the EV9 did have some driver aids that needed to be turned off at the start of each day – for our own sanity more than anything. I take offence at being told to take a break 20 minutes into a 500km drive, and the driver attention monitoring system was enthusiastic to say the least.
Likewise, the speed-limit warning chime, which we turned off every time we saddled up. Lastly, the lane-keep assist system is a hindrance on country roads where you might be avoiding washouts, potholes or roadkill, and you need to move over or around hazards that the car doesn’t want you to. As such, that system was turned off each time too.
It just goes to show what a joke some of these so called "Driver Aids" can be, and their inclusion (in my opinion) is really more about getting the coveted ANCAP 5 Star Rating than actually making the driving experience safer...
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What might appear on paper, though, to be a 600km range (around town) very quickly drops to 350km on the open road. Forget about 130km/h in the NT, 110km/h or even 100km/h is your battery-saving friend. Especially in the heat of the day. We had numerous days where the mercury hit 38 degrees, and at highway speed, with the AC running, the EV9 wouldn’t get anywhere near its city best.
Pretty much confirms what I've been saying that EV range isn't really good enough.
I'm not saying you can't do long trips but it certainly involves much more forward planning and :X than a comparable trip in an ICE vehicle.
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I did have a quick look at that second link but got to wondering how accurate some of their "so called" fact checks are when I read this:
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adding that those fires that do occur in EVs do not burn more intensely or at higher temperatures than for combustion engines.
Also this one:
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EVs do not depreciate any faster than conventional cars.
Hmmm, really??? Wot thuh
Post by: Biggles on June 15, 2024, 05:51:31 PM
(https://www.imghostr.net/images/2024/06/15/a2217ea989fdf35942a65b59b6d91ed1.jpg)
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 15, 2024, 06:45:02 PM
Post by: Nigel on June 15, 2024, 07:28:40 PM
When you really need reliability...
(https://www.imghostr.net/images/2024/06/15/a2217ea989fdf35942a65b59b6d91ed1.jpg)
Who`d have thought?
Post by: Joso on June 15, 2024, 11:57:43 PM
Post by: Gadget on June 16, 2024, 06:43:56 PM
That’s if they don’t go up in smoke first they are deadlyNot an EV in sight.
https://youtu.be/U6dlHpKE-ug?si=J121a7zpjuzMPJW9
Evfiresafe.com
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Post by: LindsayGT on June 16, 2024, 07:34:26 PM
https://www.rideapart.com/news/722784/honda-ev-strategy-kill-gas-motorcycles/ (https://www.rideapart.com/news/722784/honda-ev-strategy-kill-gas-motorcycles/)
https://global.honda/en/newsroom/news/2024/c240516eng.html (https://global.honda/en/newsroom/news/2024/c240516eng.html)
What would it take for Honda to cancel its progress on EV research and development?
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 16, 2024, 11:19:56 PM
Post by: Gadget on June 17, 2024, 10:08:35 AM
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Post by: Gadget on June 17, 2024, 10:10:11 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2024/05/19/the-vibes-lie-electric-vehicles-accelerate-toward-50-of-global-sales/
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Post by: ruSTynutz on June 17, 2024, 10:36:21 AM
Evidenced based reporting over feelpinions.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2024/05/19/the-vibes-lie-electric-vehicles-accelerate-toward-50-of-global-sales/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2024/05/19/the-vibes-lie-electric-vehicles-accelerate-toward-50-of-global-sales/)
Reads more like a commercial for EVs... :rofl
Post by: Gadget on June 17, 2024, 02:22:52 PM
That says more about your bias than anything else.Evidenced based reporting over feelpinions.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2024/05/19/the-vibes-lie-electric-vehicles-accelerate-toward-50-of-global-sales/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2024/05/19/the-vibes-lie-electric-vehicles-accelerate-toward-50-of-global-sales/)
Reads more like a commercial for EVs... :rofl
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Post by: ruSTynutz on June 17, 2024, 02:51:32 PM
That article was more about "projections" than actual evidence, from what I could see... :popcorn
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 17, 2024, 03:05:40 PM
Europe’s car market wasn’t supposed to be like this. Electric vehicle sales were expected to be booming, plug-in hybrids would be the compromise choice and combustion engines were heading for the knacker’s yard.
On the surface, the Western European market for all sedans and SUVs in 2024 has slowed down a bit but still appears to be healthy. Industry forecaster GlobalData said it expects sales to grow 4.5% this year to 11.98 million, much slower than last year’s 13.9% increase.
But the industry is in turmoil as the unexpected slowdown in EV sales growth raises questions about the huge amount of capital invested in developing them. European Union carbon dioxide regulations look incoherent as internal combustion engine sales unexpectedly rally. The likelihood of tariffs on more affordable Chinese EV imports also raises problems for the EU’s determination to force its citizens to buy EVs.
To continue reading, click this link: https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2024/05/14/weak-ev-sales-spur-europe-ice-plugin-hybrids-undermine-co2-rules/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2024/05/14/weak-ev-sales-spur-europe-ice-plugin-hybrids-undermine-co2-rules/)
Post by: LindsayGT on June 17, 2024, 04:05:03 PM
https://www.wintonsworld.com/ (https://www.wintonsworld.com/)
He seems far more measured than the Aussie knowitall who likes to make YouTube videos.
And I noticed this article. Quite interesting and nowhere near the hysteria exhibited by some!
https://www.wintonsworld.com/evs-acquitted-of-short-term-excess-fire-risk-charges/ (https://www.wintonsworld.com/evs-acquitted-of-short-term-excess-fire-risk-charges/)
From his most recent article!
https://www.wintonsworld.com/the-two-faces-of-evs-brilliant-in-town-hopeless-on-highways/ (https://www.wintonsworld.com/the-two-faces-of-evs-brilliant-in-town-hopeless-on-highways/)
“ More than 30 EVs over three years
My reviews of more than 30 EVs over three years show as soon as speeds advance past 60 mph, the range drops away alarmingly. This is simply the laws of physics in action, as expressed by Peter Wells, Professor of Business and Sustainability at Cardiff Business School.
“Range falls off a cliff at high speed. For an electric car, the extra energy required getting from 60 mph to 75 mph is astonishing and virtually doubles energy consumption to move all that air out of the way,” Wells has said.
This range argument has been the elephant in the room for years. Back in 2012 when I questioned Elon Musk at the Geneva car show, he confirmed that Tesla average range claims were measured at 55 mph. It doesn’t much imagination to realize cruising at 75 mph is going to slash range.”
In recent times, since my catastrophic crash on February 19, last year, I’ve been happy to move along at around 100kph, rather than the posted limit of 110kph. I found that the journey time length was insignificant, and much more relaxed.🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 17, 2024, 04:36:23 PM
Post by: Brock on June 17, 2024, 04:45:56 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 17, 2024, 05:50:29 PM
Of course I can carry extra fuel, but extra amps are hard to contain.
EV owners need these: https://www.smart-energy.com/industry-sectors/electric-vehicles/electricity-jerry-cans-developer-to-research-advanced-ev-solutions/ (https://www.smart-energy.com/industry-sectors/electric-vehicles/electricity-jerry-cans-developer-to-research-advanced-ev-solutions/)
Of course, they probably weigh a ton but just might enable you to get another coupla hundred metres up the road before it too is empty... :grin :rofl
Post by: Gadget on June 17, 2024, 05:54:35 PM
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Post by: Williamson on June 17, 2024, 05:57:05 PM
Fuel usage at high speeds is also a problem for ICE vehicles, thats why my BT50 has an 80Liter tank (or larger) . Just dont watch the liters/K indicator when you put the foot in.. Of course I can carry extra fuel, but extra amps are hard to contain.
What motor in your BT?. I had two Rangers with the 2.2 diesel, one with the 3.2. The 2.2s were very good (8 litres per 100km) on the highway at up to 110km/h, the 3.2 was pretty awful.
Then came the Pajero with a 2.4, better than the 2.2 Rangers.
Currently a 3.0 diesel Jeep Grand Cherokee. It gets around 8.0 at around 100km/h, and towing the 2000kg caravan at 90km/h, around 13 to 14.
Post by: Brock on June 17, 2024, 07:54:06 PM
Post by: Williamson on June 17, 2024, 08:08:53 PM
I have a 2.2 4x2 in Thailand that is good on fuel, a 3.2 4x4 here, fuel usage is a bit high, but liveable. Its a good motor with a ton of grunt. I can feel the difference in the new (Isuzu) BT50 with the smaller engine.
Yes, the 3.2 certainly had more grunt than the 2.2, but the 3.0 Jeep V6 has enormous torque, craps all over the 3.2.
Work replaced my 3.2 Ranger early last year, never had a chance to give it a test (only did 4,000km in 12 months - mostly by others), but it was sure noisy, crude, rude and unsophisticated. Don't think I'd ever buy one for myself.
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 29, 2024, 07:48:48 PM
J.D. Power's latest initial quality survey finds that EVs have more problems and higher severity of repairs compared to traditional autos.
J.D. Power’s study tracks responses from nearly 100,000 purchasers and lessees of 2024 vehicles within the first 90 days of ownership,
and for the first time in the study’s 38-year history, it incorporates repair visit data. Overall, internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles
averaged 180 PP100 (or 180 problems per 100 vehicles), while battery electric vehicles (BEVs) averaged a whopping 266 PP100, 86
points higher than ICE vehicles.
Click link to continue reading: https://tinyurl.com/4fjd87w9
Post by: West Aussie Glen on June 30, 2024, 10:10:19 AM
My mate had a Tesla Type 3 which he enjoyed but sold it to his son after buying a Tesla Y as his wife is mote comfortable in the Y both from a the seat and reduction in Range Anxiety as they regularly do the Perth to Yallingup trip of 520kms return.
With Tesla 3 a coffee stop at a charging point fitted nicely into the trip.
Unfortunately the Tesla Y let him down the other day.
There was a planned power outage and he hadn't left enough time to manually open the garage door to get to a doctors appointment so he had to go in his wife's Yaris Hybrid.
PS He has had very little trouble with either Tesla
Post by: LindsayGT on June 30, 2024, 11:36:47 AM
EVs are giving new owners more headaches, and Tesla is a big reason why: J.D. Power study
Click link to continue reading: https://tinyurl.com/4fjd87w9
Whenever these stories pop up it’s good to read the comments. At the end of this story, almost 800 comments. One of the comments that popped out was
“ It's worth reading the results on the JD Powers website. The "quality" measurement includes both mechanical and non-mechanical issues, such as badly designed cup holders, confusion over how to operate components, etc.” Whatttt!!!
Read em!
The story was also somewhat confusing to me. Aren’t Ram and Dodge the same mob? Ram was apparently the most reliable. I know a guy who was driving between Uluru and the Stuart highway. 40000 km on the clock so almost new. It popped its bottom end and had to be transported back to WA on a flatbed. Thankfully a new engine was installed under warranty. Took quite a while though.
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 30, 2024, 11:40:42 AM
Quote
“The removal of traditional feature controls, such as turn signals and wiper stalks, has not been well received by Tesla customers,”
I don't blame them, why make change for the sake of change?
I also can't get my head around why the hell everything needs to be done via the "iPad" screen...
Yes, I get that it is probably way cheaper for Tesla to do it that way as they don't have to manufacture individual
switches etc but how anyone could think operating just about everything through the screen is a good thing is absolutely crazy!
Even having the speedo showing on the screen instead of directly in front of the driver is ridiculous...
Also, having to use the screen just to open the glove box...really? :||||
And before someone pipes up and tells me you can also open it with voice command or by programming a switch, is that really
easier than just having a catch on the glove box?
I know many other manufacturers are going down that path to a certain extent (and not just in their EVs) but, in my
opinion it's just fashion over function! :crazy
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 30, 2024, 11:45:04 AM
Whenever these stories pop up it’s good to read the comments. At the end of this story, almost 800 comments. One of the comments that popped out was
“ It's worth reading the results on the JD Powers website. The "quality" measurement includes both mechanical and non-mechanical issues, such as badly designed cup holders, confusion over how to operate components, etc.” Whatttt!!!
Read em!
Probably ties in with my "issues" in my last post... :whistle
Post by: ruSTynutz on July 05, 2024, 12:20:11 PM
In Short: Car buyers looking for low-emission options are choosing hybrid vehicles over fully battery-powered electric vehicles (EVs), according to latest sales figures.
Experts are worried this will delay mass uptake of EVs and the needed deep cuts to national transport emissions.
What's next? Some automakers are scaling back or delaying their EV plans in favour of hybrid production.
Sales of hybrids are rapidly outstripping those of electric vehicles (EVs), with experts concerned the developing consumer trend will slow the national reduction in transport emissions.
Hybrids, which combine batteries and electric motors with internal combustion engines, recorded 14.4 per cent of new car sales last month, up from 7.8 per cent in June last year, according to data published by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) this week.
To read more, click this link: https://tinyurl.com/2s3px63z
Post by: ruSTynutz on July 17, 2024, 10:28:26 PM
https://youtu.be/4TCXvkaUyzM?si=FOF2_wDY7Q3yPLz-
Post by: Gadget on August 12, 2024, 07:09:37 PM
https://youtu.be/hdbICmNdtlw?si=N4Qc_W63_i6E3632
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Post by: LindsayGT on August 12, 2024, 07:39:42 PM
https://www.facebook.com/ElecTrekking (https://www.facebook.com/ElecTrekking)
18,625 km into our trip from our first stop in Gin Gin WA to Gin Gin QLD. This half of the lap has been a fantastic experience with very few challenges related to the EV and minimal time spent waiting around to charge... and has only cost us $1,128 at charging stations.
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 12, 2024, 10:06:41 PM
One for Ford fans.
https://youtu.be/hdbICmNdtlw?si=N4Qc_W63_i6E3632
That whistle would drive you nutz... |-i
Oh, I wonder how many laps you get out of a charge? :whistle
Post by: Gadget on August 12, 2024, 10:59:53 PM
Gone fishing.One for Ford fans.
https://youtu.be/hdbICmNdtlw?si=N4Qc_W63_i6E3632
That whistle would drive you nutz... |-i
Oh, I wonder how many laps you get out of a charge? :whistle
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Post by: ruSTynutz on August 13, 2024, 12:44:05 AM
I had better luck with this post that someone mysteriously removed...twice! :popcorn
Apparently some are happy to dish it out but can't take it when it's given back... :rofl
(https://i.ibb.co/QMD8nVW/My-post.jpg)
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 16, 2024, 05:22:45 PM
Hey, I laughed! :grin
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 29, 2024, 11:23:54 PM
Insurance companies in Korea have begun reviewing their policies regarding electric vehicles (EVs) following reports of fires caused by these vehicles.
With the rapid growth of the EV market and increasing vehicle sales, related fire accidents have also been on the rise. This is raising concerns that the existing insurance system, which is primarily focused on internal combustion engine vehicles, may not adequately reflect the unique characteristics and risks associated with EVs.
Fears surrounding EV accidents started after a spontaneous fire, which began in a parked Mercedes-Benz EV, wiped out an entire underground parking garage filled with other vehicles in an apartment complex in Incheon on Aug. 1.
Then on Aug. 16, a Tesla caught fire in Yongin, Gyeonggi Province, while the car was parked on the side of the road, further fueling the public's widespread concerns.
According to the Korea Insurance Development Institute, the number of fire and explosion incidents involving EVs has been higher than that of internal combustion engine vehicles over the past five years.
EVs had 0.93 incidents per 10,000 vehicles, while non-EVs had a lower rate of 0.90 incidents.
To continue reading: https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/biz/2024/08/602_381045.html (https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/biz/2024/08/602_381045.html)
Post by: cravenhaven on August 30, 2024, 01:49:03 PM
Even last years numbers of 1.3 EV fires/10000 compared to 1.9 ICE fires/10000, is considerably higher than anywhere else. I couldnt find out for sure, but I wonder if they count hybrids and FCEV as part of EV wrt fires.
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/south-korean-alarm-over-ev-fires-puts-spotlight-safety-concerns-2024-08-15/ (https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/south-korean-alarm-over-ev-fires-puts-spotlight-safety-concerns-2024-08-15/)
I've heard that Mercedes have had a lot of trouble with their EV's, including fires, but I would have thought the majority of EV's in Korea would be Hyundai/Kia.
Post by: Biggles on August 30, 2024, 02:34:10 PM
However, his flat tyre story trumped mine by a mile.
For starters, he told me that Teslas don't carry a spare tyre. That left him calling roadside assistance, who had some further bad news.
The usual providers can't change the tyres on a Tesla because they can't jack the vehicle up due to the batteries. That meant my mate had to organise a tow truck to get his Tesla to the tyre change shop.
Ok, it's a pain but doable.
Then came the following problem. There was only one Tesla replacement tyre (wheel?) available in the State and that had been earmarked for another customer.
That meant it would be four days before his vehicle could return to the road!
Imagine that. Four days of no vehicle because of a flat tyre?
Even I was back in action within an hour of my own labour!
Imagine being on a long Tesla trip between cities and needing help. It could be a week or more of waiting plus the additional expense of the specialised roadside transport required.
Post by: cravenhaven on August 30, 2024, 06:03:25 PM
From a quite different angle- another consideration that may only apply to Teslas, as others may have suitable spare wheels:Well that's just plain EV bashing untruth.
However, his flat tyre story trumped mine by a mile.
For starters, he told me that Teslas don't carry a spare tyre. That left him calling roadside assistance, who had some further bad news.
The usual providers can't change the tyres on a Tesla because they can't jack the vehicle up due to the batteries. That meant my mate had to organise a tow truck to get his Tesla to the tyre change shop.
Ok, it's a pain but doable.
Then came the following problem. There was only one Tesla replacement tyre (wheel?) available in the State and that had been earmarked for another customer.
That meant it would be four days before his vehicle could return to the road!
Imagine that. Four days of no vehicle because of a flat tyre?
Even I was back in action within an hour of my own labour!
Imagine being on a long Tesla trip between cities and needing help. It could be a week or more of waiting plus the additional expense of the specialised roadside transport required.
Any tyre repair place can jack up a Tesla, and most of them have replaced tyres on Teslas by now. Like all cars, there are manufacturer recommended jack points and in the case of EV's you need to be careful that the jack doesnt slip onto the battery pack (BTW I've seen a jack slip on an ICE vehicle and go through the floor pan). If you have the special low noise, low rolling resistance tyres that most EV's are supplied with, then you might have trouble getting that same tye in an emergency, but any tyre (of the correct size) will do, just like any other car.
WRT to the lack of spare tyre, the EV manufacturers seem to be spearheading that policy, but they are not the only cars that come with no spare.
I'm sure that if you asked Ford or Toyota for an emergency replacement wheel for your car, they would have a similar response to the Tesla response you quoted.
I currently run "Winrun" tyres on my Tesla, and regularly rotate them with standard jacks and wheel stands.
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 30, 2024, 06:12:23 PM
but I would have thought the majority of EV's in Korea would be Hyundai/Kia.
It seems you thought right: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1019534/south-korea-most-sold-electric-vehicle-model/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1019534/south-korea-most-sold-electric-vehicle-model/)
Although perhaps that may have changed this year as Chinese EVs seem to be flooding the market here and elsewhere... :think1
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 30, 2024, 07:44:04 PM
Interesting that Korea is having so many EV fires, compared to the rest of the world.
It would appear the good ol' US of A are attempting to keep up... :whistle
https://youtu.be/aKFaudtDkOc?si=kocGhloWlfOrFKyv
Post by: Gadget on September 01, 2024, 04:49:15 AM
From a quite different angle- another consideration that may only apply to Teslas, as others may have suitable spare wheels:I've had 2 service calls to change a flat tyre.
However, his flat tyre story trumped mine by a mile.
For starters, he told me that Teslas don't carry a spare tyre. That left him calling roadside assistance, who had some further bad news.
The usual providers can't change the tyres on a Tesla because they can't jack the vehicle up due to the batteries. That meant my mate had to organise a tow truck to get his Tesla to the tyre change shop.
Ok, it's a pain but doable.
Then came the following problem. There was only one Tesla replacement tyre (wheel?) available in the State and that had been earmarked for another customer.
That meant it would be four days before his vehicle could return to the road!
Imagine that. Four days of no vehicle because of a flat tyre?
Even I was back in action within an hour of my own labour!
Imagine being on a long Tesla trip between cities and needing help. It could be a week or more of waiting plus the additional expense of the specialised roadside transport required.
One came to my home, jacked it up on its dedicated jacking point, changed the tyre, lowered it, pulled out the torque wrench, and torqued the wheel nuts up.
The other was on the south side of Brisbane. Scrap metal on the road pierced the sidewall. Service van turned up, trolley jack, jacking point, changed, lowered, torqued.
We could watch Netflix, YouTube, etc, while we waited half an hour for them to turn up.
Great service.
I've also plugged a slow leak at home. Didn't even have to remove the wheel.
Disinformation is easily spread.
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Post by: ruSTynutz on September 01, 2024, 08:59:46 AM
I've had 2 service calls to change a flat tyre.
One came to my home, jacked it up on its dedicated jacking point, changed the tyre, lowered it, pulled out the torque wrench, and torqued the wheel nuts up.
The other was on the south side of Brisbane. Scrap metal on the road pierced the sidewall. Service van turned up, trolley jack, jacking point, changed, lowered, torqued.
We could watch Netflix, YouTube, etc, while we waited half an hour for them to turn up.
Great service.
I've also plugged a slow leak at home. Didn't even have to remove the wheel.
Disinformation is easily spread.
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Lucky you were in "service" range otherwise it might have been interesting!
Also lucky with the scrap metal...If it had pierced the battery things may have got rather expensive! >:()
Post by: Gadget on September 01, 2024, 09:31:31 AM
LFP batteries can be shot and not burn...I've had 2 service calls to change a flat tyre.
One came to my home, jacked it up on its dedicated jacking point, changed the tyre, lowered it, pulled out the torque wrench, and torqued the wheel nuts up.
The other was on the south side of Brisbane. Scrap metal on the road pierced the sidewall. Service van turned up, trolley jack, jacking point, changed, lowered, torqued.
We could watch Netflix, YouTube, etc, while we waited half an hour for them to turn up.
Great service.
I've also plugged a slow leak at home. Didn't even have to remove the wheel.
Disinformation is easily spread.
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Lucky you were in "service" range otherwise it might have been interesting!
Also lucky with the scrap metal...If it had pierced the battery things may have got rather expensive! >:()
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Post by: ruSTynutz on September 01, 2024, 10:08:07 AM
But, in saying that, https://tinyurl.com/yn7s3v5t
Post by: cravenhaven on September 02, 2024, 02:47:05 PM
Same with a petrol vehicle though. A piece of metal going through the fuel tank is likely to cause some serious excitement.
Lucky you were in "service" range otherwise it might have been interesting!
Also lucky with the scrap metal...If it had pierced the battery things may have got rather expensive! >:()
Post by: cravenhaven on September 02, 2024, 02:48:24 PM
It would appear the good ol' US of A are attempting to keep up... :whistle
https://youtu.be/aKFaudtDkOc?si=kocGhloWlfOrFKyv
Seems like Rivian dont know how to do safe electronics.
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 02, 2024, 06:24:06 PM
Same with a petrol vehicle though. A piece of metal going through the fuel tank is likely to cause some serious excitement.
Lucky you were in "service" range otherwise it might have been interesting!
Also lucky with the scrap metal...If it had pierced the battery things may have got rather expensive! >:()
True to a certain extent but besides a petrol tank being a lot smaller and probably more out of the way than an EV battery, at least you may have some chance of sealing a holed petrol tank. Probably unlikely to ignite also, if that's what you're thinking... :think1
Post by: LindsayGT on September 02, 2024, 10:43:56 PM
I just did a search on vehicle fires on one of our freeways. More than I would have thought.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=mitchell+freeway+vehicle+fire&qs=GS&pq=mitchell+freeway+vehicle+fi&sc=10-27&cvid=83EFD15B5EDB4E0AA878F8E99628AC06&sp=1&ghc=1&lq=0&FPIG=465700010A854606A9F7C46AA24D7E8D&first=1&FORM=PERE (https://www.bing.com/search?q=mitchell+freeway+vehicle+fire&qs=GS&pq=mitchell+freeway+vehicle+fi&sc=10-27&cvid=83EFD15B5EDB4E0AA878F8E99628AC06&sp=1&ghc=1&lq=0&FPIG=465700010A854606A9F7C46AA24D7E8D&first=1&FORM=PERE)
Post by: cravenhaven on September 03, 2024, 01:49:56 PM
EV batteries dont automatically fo on fire when damaged either..
True to a certain extent but besides a petrol tank being a lot smaller and probably more out of the way than an EV battery, at least you may have some chance of sealing a holed petrol tank. Probably unlikely to ignite also, if that's what you're thinking... :think1
Keep an eye out when you're driving around, and its amazing how many burnt vehicles there are on the roadsides. Admittedly a majority will be a result of arson, but there are plenty of fires as a result of damage or faults.
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 03, 2024, 08:04:54 PM
EV batteries dont automatically fo on fire when damaged either..
I don't believe I said they did but it seems that any damage to an EV battery usually results in needing a replacement... :popcorn
Post by: cravenhaven on September 04, 2024, 04:41:22 PM
But EV batteries can be repaired as well. There's not much call for it in Australia yet, but it's certainly a thing in the US and Europe and other countries.
I don't believe I said they did but it seems that any damage to an EV battery usually results in needing a replacement... :popcorn
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 04, 2024, 08:51:28 PM
Due to a lack of certified repairers, it seems insurance companies are writing vehicles off rather than have them repaired...
https://www.insurancenews.com.au/daily/repairer-shortage-condemns-electric-vehicles-to-scrapheap (https://www.insurancenews.com.au/daily/repairer-shortage-condemns-electric-vehicles-to-scrapheap)
Post by: cravenhaven on September 05, 2024, 09:14:35 AM
They may be repairable but is it actually happening? :popcorn
Due to a lack of certified repairers, it seems insurance companies are writing vehicles off rather than have them repaired...
https://www.insurancenews.com.au/daily/repairer-shortage-condemns-electric-vehicles-to-scrapheap (https://www.insurancenews.com.au/daily/repairer-shortage-condemns-electric-vehicles-to-scrapheap)
Yeah!, it's a pretty damning indictment of the automotive repair industry that they cant get mechanics/technicians trained to handle EV's. OTOH there arent enough EV problems to justify the expense and time to train people.
I think it would help greatly if the auto industry divorced the repair side from the supply side, and manufacturers were forced to make their parts/diagnostic tools/repair info available to any otherwise qualified business. ie "right to repair".
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 05, 2024, 03:16:47 PM
and manufacturers were forced to make their parts/diagnostic tools/repair info available to any otherwise qualified business. ie "right to repair".
That has "supposedly" already happened...https://tinyurl.com/5xxwvehr
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 10, 2024, 02:39:58 PM
Electric car sales in Australia have dipped for the second month in a row during August – despite multiple existing EV makers cutting prices across their
lineup and introducing multiple new models.
The latest data from the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) and Electric Vehicle Council (EVC) shows that 5,892 battery electric vehicles
were sold in Australia in August – a share of just 5.9 per cent of the overall new car market.
The data is now split into two sources following the breakaway of Tesla and Polestar from the main car lobby group, the FCAI.
It reported 3,434 EV sales from the car makers it represents, while the Electric Vehicle Council revealed 2,458 sales from Tesla and Polestar.
Both brands, however, are sharply down from a year ago, with Model Y sales nearly halving from 2,314 in August last year to 1,300 in
August this year, and down from 1,335 in July, although the Model 3 was up to 1,063 from 999 in the same month last year.
Polestar 2 sales fell to 62 from 225 a year ago ahead of the release of the Polestar 3 and the Polestar 4.
To continue reading, click this link: https://thedriven.io/2024/09/04/tesla-and-byd-lead-ev-sales-slump-in-august-despite-price-cuts-and-new-models/
Post by: Joso on September 11, 2024, 09:47:48 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 12, 2024, 11:55:47 AM
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 13, 2024, 01:18:37 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/dPf1hYk/A-Recycled-EV.jpg)
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 15, 2024, 02:26:01 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 15, 2024, 11:54:58 PM
Regardless of whether you believe what they're saying, the amount of EV fires that are happening in China right now is downright scary... :eek
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 20, 2024, 09:05:44 AM
https://youtu.be/bQSNMHOXO8U?si=MjH2nC7dVn6TkmlL
Post by: cravenhaven on September 20, 2024, 10:08:24 PM
Post by: cravenhaven on September 20, 2024, 10:14:51 PM
https://youtu.be/Pqnja4hYYqw?si=OznlPHWuOyFrtaxAEvery one of those cvideos shows an ICE car on filre, not an EV.
Regardless of whether you believe what they're saying, the amount of EV fires that are happening in China right now is downright scary... :eek
First one: engine bay, cabin, boot on fire, EV batteries are under the car.
2nd one: the EV's on the back of the truck are not on fire in the first scenes, but we cant see what vehicles are on fire.
3rd one: Petrol/diesel on the ground burning. If it was an EV fire, the battery in the car would be burning, but not so.
Gave up at that point.
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 20, 2024, 11:28:30 PM
https://www.motortrend.com/features/truth-about-electric-cars-ad-why-you-are-being-lied-to/photos/ (https://www.motortrend.com/features/truth-about-electric-cars-ad-why-you-are-being-lied-to/photos/)
I couldn't see how they are better for humans by looking at those pics...:fp :whistle :o
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 21, 2024, 01:51:19 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 21, 2024, 05:17:13 PM
Post by: Gadget on September 22, 2024, 04:18:28 PM
I loaned my EV to a 60 year old V8 ute owning mate, who's dying Dad, said he would like to ride in or drive a Tesla before he dies.
I sent my mate off this morning with 100% charge battery, and he came back 148.6 km later with 66% staye of charge remaining. It's cost me a total of $0.41 to recharge it.
His Dad got to drive the Tesla and loved it. He said if he wasn't dying, he'd buy one tomorrow. My mate also said he really loved driving it. 2 more converts.
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Post by: Gadget on September 22, 2024, 04:26:30 PM
It has done 55,100 km, and servicing has cost me $109 for a tyre rotation performed in my home garage.
We've saved over $3,300 per year on fuel and over $2,000/year in servicing, so over the 2 years, that comes to over $10,600 in savings.
It has easily driven Brisbane-Macksville, Brisbabe-Goondawindi, Brisbane-Cairns, and many more trips. Oh, and it tows like a beast, as you don't notice the weight of the trailer.
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Post by: Williamson on September 22, 2024, 07:39:30 PM
Yesterday, it was 2 years of owning our Tesla.
Met up with a mate at Noosa Heads a couple of days back. He's had his Tesla Model 3 for just over five years now, said his only cost (apart from purchase) was new tyres - no service costs, no fuel costs (he has solar and batteries at home), doesn't use charging stations.
No. 2 son will have had his Polestar for two years in December, similar situation for him, he charges the car during the day (solar but no batteries) on weekends. Hasn't used a charging station, as yet.
Post by: Gadget on September 22, 2024, 07:53:41 PM
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Post by: Brock on September 22, 2024, 08:03:45 PM
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Met up with a mate at Noosa Heads a couple of days back. He's had his Tesla Model 3 for just over five years now, said his only cost (apart from purchase) was new tyres - no service costs, no fuel costs (he has solar and batteries at home), doesn't use charging stations.
No. 2 son will have had his Polestar for two years in December, similar situation for him, he charges the car during the day (solar but no batteries) on weekends. Hasn't used a charging station, as yet.
The Govt wont like that, no fuel taxes..
Post by: Gadget on September 22, 2024, 08:38:15 PM
Plugshare.com is there if he needs to find a public charger.Yesterday, it was 2 years of owning our Tesla.
Met up with a mate at Noosa Heads a couple of days back. He's had his Tesla Model 3 for just over five years now, said his only cost (apart from purchase) was new tyres - no service costs, no fuel costs (he has solar and batteries at home), doesn't use charging stations.
No. 2 son will have had his Polestar for two years in December, similar situation for him, he charges the car during the day (solar but no batteries) on weekends. Hasn't used a charging station, as yet.
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Post by: Williamson on September 22, 2024, 08:44:30 PM
The Govt wont like that, no fuel taxes..
VIC Government's move to introduce a "road tax" has been blocked for now, so make hay whilst the Sun shines, or, in this case, save some $$.
Post by: Shillas on September 23, 2024, 07:47:51 PM
"World's Best Electric Cars"
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 23, 2024, 11:39:11 PM
OK, Rusty (Don Quixote) Nutz, keep tilting at windmills in your one man crusade.
I've simply pointed out some of the downsides & issues with EV's...
I get that you're passionate about EVs, but surely you, if you were being honest with yourself, would have to admit there are quite a few downsides and, at this point in time, they certainly aren't a like for like replacement for ice vehicles.
As for your derogatory comments towards me, you certainly aren't setting a good example as a Moderator.
I have never attacked your character, yet you feel it's okay to attack mine... :well
Anyhow, here's hoping from now on you can refrain from getting personal and just concentrate on the subject... :X
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 24, 2024, 12:05:56 AM
The Govt wont like that, no fuel taxes..
I believe it's only a matter of time before the Federal Government introduces some kind of "fuel tax" or surcharge on EV rego to cover maintenance of our roads...
Probably something similar to what the New Zealand Government has done. https://tinyurl.com/yc4twa99
In saying that though, with the slower than expected uptake of EVs, they are probably a bit reluctant to introduce anything at this point in time... :think1
Post by: LindsayGT on September 24, 2024, 12:20:56 AM
Of course it can't be done!!!
https://www.facebook.com/ElecTrekking (https://www.facebook.com/ElecTrekking)
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 24, 2024, 01:05:35 AM
Of course it can't be done!!!
I don't think anyone said it can't be done... :whistle
You could also ride a postie bike around Oz but, like driving an EV around Oz, it will take much more time, planning and effort to do it compared to an ICE vehicle... :grin
Post by: Marcus on September 24, 2024, 06:52:30 AM
it will take much more time, planning and effort to do it compared to an ICE vehicle... :grinOnly because the infrastructure hasn't been built out completely yet, give it time. Service stations and trucks transporting the fuel to them to keep them topped up have been in place for a while now
Post by: Gadget on September 24, 2024, 08:24:04 AM
So you expect me (and others) to accept your unfounded assertions, when you have zero experience with an EV, and I've got to 2 with an EV, out of 44+ years of vehicle ownership, which you deem should be ignored.The Govt wont like that, no fuel taxes..
I believe it's only a matter of time before the Federal Government introduces some kind of "fuel tax" or surcharge on EV rego to cover maintenance of our roads...
Probably something similar to what the New Zealand Government has done. https://tinyurl.com/yc4twa99
In saying that though, with the slower than expected uptake of EVs, they are probably a bit reluctant to introduce anything at this point in time... :think1
My EV meets, and exceeds, all my needs, and is better than a like for like replacements. For a start, it's not fatigue inducing to drive.
Murdoch (Sky News) and other commercial media are dependent on advertising revenue from the oil and gas industries, so they're happily spreading disinformation because they know how to manipulate people. That's why advertisements work, they use psychologists to manipulate people to buy product, only now, they are using the same techniques with 'articles', talking heads, etc.
Some (many) of Sky's talking heads have aligned themselves with one political party and think this is a vote winner. I know EV owners who support that party and think Sky people are being silly (to put it kindly).
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Post by: Gadget on September 24, 2024, 08:29:39 AM
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/12A4MG1h7FU/?mibextid=oFDknk
They can charge their car from the van if they need to.
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Post by: ruSTynutz on September 24, 2024, 09:34:46 AM
So you expect me (and others) to accept your unfounded assertions, when you have zero experience with an EV, and I've got to 2 with an EV, out of 44+ years of vehicle ownership, which you deem should be ignored.
They aren't all my assertions, I post articles etc showing some of the downsides/issues with EVs, I don't need to own an EV to recognise them.
I also can't help it if you can't accept that EVs aren't ideal for everyone! :||||
I also get that there are plenty of people out there that are perfectly happy with their EV, but that doesn't mean there aren't issues with their suitability for others.
Feel free to question the articles, prove them wrong if you must but, I'll say it again, there is no need to be derogatory towards me and question my integratory just because you don't like what's been posted.
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 24, 2024, 09:48:46 AM
If you’re only just getting on the EV train, you might be too late to jump onto the electric car discounts and rebates in some states.
Click link to read: https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/state-governments-begin-scrapping-their-electric-car-discounts/ (https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/state-governments-begin-scrapping-their-electric-car-discounts/)
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 24, 2024, 11:37:46 AM
Yet another interesting video from our old mate, John Cadogan... :grin
https://youtu.be/REjOALjiiUI?si=rqpyDm1OXaHd1DIB
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 25, 2024, 08:46:17 PM
’Could be compromised’: Calls to ban ‘weaponised’ Chinese EVs
The United States has moved to ban Chinese connected-car technology over fears vehicles can spy on – and assassinate – their drivers.
“Cars today have cameras, microphones, GPS tracking and other technologies connected to the internet. It doesn’t take much
imagination to understand how a foreign adversary with access to this information could pose a serious risk to both our national security
and the privacy of citizens,” Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said earlier this week.
“In an extreme situation, foreign adversaries could shut down or take control of all their vehicles operating in the United States all at the same time.”
To continue reading, click this link: https://tinyurl.com/7vfpdzs8
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 25, 2024, 08:50:01 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on September 26, 2024, 12:25:54 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on October 01, 2024, 01:10:38 PM
A popular brand of electric vehicle sold in Australia has a hidden backdoor allowing the manufacturer to listen into conversations, users have claimed.
After witnessing an explosive month showcasing the awful possibilities of technological warfare, the topic of electric vehicles and their potential to be
hacked has once again been thrust into the global spotlight.
A driver who owns a BYD car, a Chinese brand of electric vehicle, has claimed that the software can listen to his conversations.
To continue reading, click link: https://tinyurl.com/tcyhvd6a
Post by: LindsayGT on October 01, 2024, 02:01:55 PM
https://www.choice.com.au/consumers-and-data/data-collection-and-use/who-has-your-data/articles/toyota-connected-cars (https://www.choice.com.au/consumers-and-data/data-collection-and-use/who-has-your-data/articles/toyota-connected-cars)
Post by: ruSTynutz on October 01, 2024, 03:35:31 PM
For the record, I'm certainly aware that privacy issues are not just confined to EVs.
I think the invasion of privacy and the tracking of pretty much everything you do with a new car (be it an EV or ICE) is so wrong but unfortunately, you really don't have very much choice but to accept it if you want a new car... :cuss
Post by: Biggles on October 01, 2024, 06:44:32 PM
Certainly relevant but, as far as I'm aware, there has been no mention of Toyota (or anyone else for that matter) being able to listen in to conversations as has been reported with the BYD brand.
or being filmed naked as reported of the Tesla brand. :crazy
Post by: LindsayGT on October 01, 2024, 08:34:45 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on October 01, 2024, 09:39:36 PM
Post by: West Aussie Glen on October 02, 2024, 04:35:36 AM
Don't really know why people are worried about their privacy with new cars, I get a report every month from Google about where I have been (yes I know I could turn location off on my phone but now I can enjoy what I did again and again :grin).
I am sure phones, ipads, smart TVs etc can gather just as much or probably more than cars.
Post by: Gadget on October 02, 2024, 05:41:06 AM
People worried about privacy in a car, carrying an iPhone or Android phone in their pocket, which is always listening, have Amazon Echo, Apple or Google home automation.
How special do they think they are, that anyone would interested in the minutia of the conversations they have with their kids or partner whilst driving a car.
Unless you're an operational staff member of the military, ASIO, ASIS, or Government (people who know how to keep secrets), you've got nothing to worry about.
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Post by: ruSTynutz on October 02, 2024, 09:20:54 AM
Post by: Marcus on October 02, 2024, 09:24:50 AM
I'm glad you guys are so casual when it comes to your privacy...Do you mind if I have your bank account details & passwords? :roflDo you use Google Maps or any form of GPS when you travel or do you lug around the Melways on your bike?
Post by: ruSTynutz on October 02, 2024, 09:36:37 AM
Post by: Gadget on October 03, 2024, 02:28:43 PM
Of course but I actively try to protect my privacy as much as I can...What's so special about you that anyone else would be interested in the minutiae of your life?
I can be careful about protecting my personal records without being paranoid.
You've posted so much anti EV stuff here that you're already easily profiled, and your vulnerabilities are exposed.
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Post by: ruSTynutz on October 03, 2024, 06:54:21 PM
Speaking of profiling, how you respond to my posts tells me (and others) a lot about how you think and how quick you are to judge and respond with your disparaging remarks.
I don't get why you need to be so hostile!
If you don't like what I post, you do realise you don't have to read them! :well
Post by: ruSTynutz on October 03, 2024, 09:16:09 PM
https://youtu.be/2JDTxHJwsgU?si=dvxXkI4HdX4s5ujG
Post by: West Aussie Glen on October 04, 2024, 04:26:19 AM
Post by: Bodø on October 04, 2024, 04:43:31 AM
I think it is time we all agree to disagree and this thread is closed or preferably deleted.
I stopped opening it ages ago and only do so when the last voice is someone rare (like yourself) has posted in it. Whilst I think it s boring and going around in circles I can think of more worthy candidates for deletion before this one.
Post by: Wild Rose on October 04, 2024, 06:17:17 AM
I think it is time we all agree to disagree and this thread is closed or preferably deleted.I agree 👍
Post by: ruSTynutz on October 04, 2024, 08:50:02 AM
Like I mentioned earlier, no-one has to read what I post if they don't like the content.
I'm posting information on the downsides of having an EV....whether you agree or disagree, that is perfectly fine.
What we don't need is the personal attacks...and it surprises me that no-one, besides me calls it out.
I know there are members that won't even comment about EVs because of the personal attacks!
I respect that plenty of people like their EVs, but the facts are, there are downsides and they aren't a perfect like for like replacement for ice vehicles.
I suggest having a look at the views on this thread, it seems like plenty of people are interested enough to read it!
Post by: Shillas on October 04, 2024, 09:12:53 AM
I suggest having a look at the views on this thread, it seems like plenty of people are interested enough to read it!
Maybe now they're not looking at the EV information, but settling in with :popcorn to see people going at each other.
Like Bodø, I only look at it when another voice comes up.
All for free speech & healthy discussion, but the thread is now a circular argument.
Post by: West Aussie Glen on October 04, 2024, 11:15:56 AM
This will be the last time I post or even open this thread but can't help pointing that there is no ICE vehicle that is a like for like replacement for an EV. :grin
I respect that plenty of people like their EVs, but the facts are, there are downsides and they aren't a perfect like for like replacement for ice vehicles.
Post by: Gadget on October 05, 2024, 10:52:07 AM
Converted to RH drive here on Brendale Qld.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15JHAxfwez/(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20241005/57d91eef820cfe2843c68db5cc7cbca0.jpg)
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Post by: Gadget on October 05, 2024, 10:55:49 AM
Like for like.This will be the last time I post or even open this thread but can't help pointing that there is no ICE vehicle that is a like for like replacement for an EV. :grin
I respect that plenty of people like their EVs, but the facts are, there are downsides and they aren't a perfect like for like replacement for ice vehicles.
30 minute charge time, i.e. lunch break.
https://thedriven.io/2024/09/26/fortescues-6mw-electric-vehicle-charger-stuns-the-ev-and-mining-industries/
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Post by: ruSTynutz on October 05, 2024, 11:17:48 PM
Like for like.
30 minute charge time, i.e. lunch break.
Probably takes 5 minutes max to refuel an ice car so not really like for like but if taking a 30-minute break while you recharge suits the sort of driving you do then goodo! :thumbs
Post by: Gadget on October 05, 2024, 11:42:43 PM
It is going to take a bit more than 5 minutes to add 5,351 litres to the tank, engender at high flow. Or the optional tank at 6,397 litres.
https://www.liebherr.com/external/products/products-assets/833577bc-3743-4525-a5c3-f92ff2ea78fb/liebherr-T284.pdf?srsltid=AfmBOooz36yyyiFN69cil1JMwlafWiNipArOdcEESb5k1RIjuNEHqPhE
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Post by: ruSTynutz on October 05, 2024, 11:47:39 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on October 05, 2024, 11:49:17 PM
Ford F150 Lightning on K'gari (formerly known as Fraser Island)
Converted to RH drive here on Brendale Qld.
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Speaking of EV Utes...
Wouldn't you be impressed if you paid full price for one of these?
Check out the price they are selling them for in NZ! :o
https://www.drive.com.au/news/ldv-et60-half-price-after-outsold-by-rolls-royce/ (https://www.drive.com.au/news/ldv-et60-half-price-after-outsold-by-rolls-royce/)
Post by: Gadget on October 06, 2024, 07:34:12 AM
The LDV eT60 isn't a particularly good EV ute, as it is an ICE converted to EV, not designed as an EV from the ground up.Ford F150 Lightning on K'gari (formerly known as Fraser Island)
Converted to RH drive here on Brendale Qld.
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Speaking of EV Utes...
Wouldn't you be impressed if you paid full price for one of these?
Check out the price they are selling them for in NZ! :o
https://www.drive.com.au/news/ldv-et60-half-price-after-outsold-by-rolls-royce/ (https://www.drive.com.au/news/ldv-et60-half-price-after-outsold-by-rolls-royce/)
As Ford aren't importing the Lightning into Australia, Aus EV are importing and converting them, particularly for the mining industry, as they are rated intrinsically safe, and emit no fumes for underground work.
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Post by: ruSTynutz on October 06, 2024, 10:51:26 AM
Green motoring isn’t as cheap as it used to be, as rapid charging sites continue to increase prices.
The cost of fast-charging electric cars is accelerating beyond the price of refuelling conventional vehicles in Australia.
Though the “range anxiety” that discouraged people from buying electric cars has been mitigated by 1000 fast-charging
outlets across the country, increasingly high charging fees could make drivers hesitant to make the switch.
To continue, click link: https://tinyurl.com/6npy5xnp
Post by: Gadget on October 06, 2024, 02:58:48 PM
Public EV charging costs rise to rival petrolMeanwhile, in the real world.
Green motoring isn’t as cheap as it used to be, as rapid charging sites continue to increase prices.
The cost of fast-charging electric cars is accelerating beyond the price of refuelling conventional vehicles in Australia.
Though the “range anxiety” that discouraged people from buying electric cars has been mitigated by 1000 fast-charging
outlets across the country, increasingly high charging fees could make drivers hesitant to make the switch.
To continue, click link: https://tinyurl.com/6npy5xnp
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Post by: ruSTynutz on October 06, 2024, 06:51:30 PM
Post by: Brookester on October 09, 2024, 05:00:34 AM
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Post by: Biggles on October 09, 2024, 10:43:05 PM
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Post by: LindsayGT on October 09, 2024, 11:23:10 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on October 09, 2024, 11:31:23 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on October 10, 2024, 09:00:44 AM
https://youtu.be/3xH_-8n3P1I?si=-FnJfU9nwbuEkUh-
Post by: ruSTynutz on October 23, 2024, 10:09:24 AM
https://youtu.be/D2Vjn0Z-DGs?si=jLRORjkNzabRuY8W
Post by: ruSTynutz on October 27, 2024, 07:27:44 PM
This video covers the tragic Tesla crash in downtown Toronto that left four dead after the vehicle burst into flames. We also discuss a similar fatal crash in Michigan involving a Tesla and a wrong-way driver.
Learn about the dangers of lithium-ion batteries in high-speed crashes, the challenges of rescuing trapped passengers, and the risks posed by Tesla's electronic door handles and laminated windows.
Watch to understand how these incidents highlight critical safety concerns with electric vehicles.
https://youtu.be/AhgKkiuEmnE?si=klDA4jXrbQRQSo75
Post by: ruSTynutz on November 07, 2024, 12:46:37 PM
https://www.ttnews.com/articles/trump-evs-oil-epa (https://www.ttnews.com/articles/trump-evs-oil-epa)
Post by: ruSTynutz on November 07, 2024, 07:07:36 PM
https://tinyurl.com/3svrc5b7
Post by: Biggles on November 08, 2024, 02:37:45 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on November 08, 2024, 05:23:57 PM
Typical media hype! Elon Musk has a huge commitment to EVs which I'm sure Trump wouldn't jeopardise. I think it's just a matter of Trump removing the Left's mandates on manufacturers.
Could be Bill, but Trump is that unpredictable he may very well follow through with some of his threats. I guess time will tell...
There is a place for EVs among the options for vehicle owners. They suit a lot of people perfectly, just as there are those who swear by their diesel VWs etc.
I agree, but it doesn't hurt to point out that there are downsides (and there are downsides in spite of what the true believers will tell us) when it comes to EV ownership.
Obviously, there are also downsides with diesel & petrol vehicles as well, but this thread is about EVs... :grin
Post by: Shillas on November 08, 2024, 06:29:13 PM
He's invested & is sure he'll get a return on that for Tesla & SpaceX.
But, it'll be interesting to see what happens if Trump applies tarriffs to imports - like Tesla would be subjected to if made in China.
BTW Rusty, you're missing the Cars of the Future expo in Sydney this weekend - all the EVs & more. :grin
Post by: ruSTynutz on November 08, 2024, 08:08:15 PM
BTW Rusty, you're missing the Cars of the Future expo in Sydney this weekend - all the EVs & more. :grin
I'd actually be interested in that but not enough to travel to Sydney to see it! :thumbsup
Post by: ruSTynutz on November 11, 2024, 08:54:27 PM
My (stressful) drive from Land’s End to John o’ Groats in an EV
Ben Clatworthy,
Transport Correspondent
Friday November 08 2024, The Times
The Times’s transport correspondent battled range anxiety (and stale croissants)
as he put electric cars’ facilities to the test with an 867-mile road trip.
https://tinyurl.com/3v7ukh44
Post by: ruSTynutz on November 20, 2024, 10:15:14 PM
The global car renting giant has posted its fourth loss in a row as it slashes its fleet of Tesla and Polestar electric cars.
Rental car giant Hertz has announced higher than expected losses of more than $AU2 billion which the company says is largely due to its failed electric vehicle strategy.
In announcing its third-quarter (July-September) 2024 results to shareholders, Hertz reported a loss of $US1.3 billion ($AU2 billion) with the majority being losses from its ex-rental electric vehicle sell-off.
The company says it is targeting an average of below $US300 ($AU460) in monthly depreciation for each vehicle, but it’s latest reported figure is nearly double at $US537 ($AU823).
The vehicle depreciation bill for the third-quarter was a staggering $US937 million ($AU1.43 billion).
To continue reading, click this link: https://www.drive.com.au/news/hertz-loses-2-billion-on-electric-cars/ (https://www.drive.com.au/news/hertz-loses-2-billion-on-electric-cars/)
Post by: ruSTynutz on November 25, 2024, 08:06:25 PM
The influx of affordable Chinese EVs is shaking up the Australian market but buyers could be stung by skyrocketing insurance premiums and hidden repair costs.
The Australian electric vehicle market has seen an influx of affordable models from newer Chinese automakers priced significantly lower than those from established brands.
New research reveals that while they may be cheaper, they could cost owners more to insure and repair.
Data from Compare the Market shows comprehensive insurance for EVs is on average 43 per cent more expensive than petrol-powered vehicles.
Compare the Market economic director David Koch said the top five best-selling EVs in Australia were more expensive to insure than traditional alternatives.
“Across the top five best-selling EVs and 12 car insurance providers, motorists could be spending between $98 to $1,788 more to comprehensively insure an EV every year – which
may diminish some of the benefits of reduced running costs,” he said.
The study compared the top five selling EVs with cars from Toyota, Audi, Mazda and Hyundai, using quotes from 12 insurers for a 34-year-old Brisbane man with a clean driving record.
To continue reading, click link: https://tinyurl.com/4ym9rdhr
Post by: ruSTynutz on November 30, 2024, 12:29:38 PM
It is often taken as a given that electric vehicles are friendlier for the environment and that we will all inevitably be driving them in the future.
In this video, Mark P. Mills of the National Center for Energy Analytics questions the government’s push towards EVs, and whether these “givens” are true.
https://youtu.be/OEkIh2PcSYE?si=SjnVFRDLrsws2Qnq
If you're really keen you can watch Mark P. Mills' lecture from the recent CCA, "Economic Issues and Controversies," here: https://tinyurl.com/29mu7vj3
In my opinion, it's definitely worth watching... ++
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 01, 2024, 12:06:00 PM
Overheating issues in Jaguar I-Pace battery packs has reportedly led to three fires—and a bunch of unhappy customers
Jaguar has launched a campaign in America to buy back nearly 3,000 examples of its I-Pace EV after a litany of complaints and
thermal overloads of the battery unit in certain examples from the 2019 model year. According to reports, the brand has agreed
to repurchase a total of 2,790 I-Pace EVs.
At issue is a battery pack that has an alleged manufacturing defect thanks to a line issue at the LG facility in which the batteries
were assembled. Overheating batteries and potential conflagration have been a problem in 2019 I-Pace crossovers for some spell
now, with at least three of the things catching fire even after the company issued a software update to help address the issue
under a previous recall.
Click link to continue reading: https://driving.ca/auto-news/driver-info/2019-jaguar-i-pace-buyback-recall-battery-fire-issue
Post by: Biggles on December 01, 2024, 02:03:33 PM
TESLA BURSTS INTO FLAMES FOLLOWING CRASH
SHAYLA BULLOCH
A Tesla driver and his teenage passenger have been injured after a car slammed into a pole and caught fire.
Paramedics were called to Shaw Rd in Wavell Heights at about 11am where a Tesla had crashed into a power pole.
A man in his 50s and his female passenger managed to escape the wreck before the car burst into flames.
“The fire burned for some time and produced a large amount of smoke,” the Queensland Fire Department said in a statement.
Residents were advised to close windows and doors and keep respiratory medications close by if required.
The man and the teenager were both taken to Royal Brisbane and Women’s Hospital in stable conditions suffering rib and back pain.
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Post by: ruSTynutz on December 01, 2024, 05:07:30 PM
The following video is quite interesting.
A Tesla caught fire, so what can we learn?
https://youtu.be/GhVt1d6uLrI?si=Z_8uiVjGIH-WISf6
Post by: LindsayGT on December 01, 2024, 05:12:15 PM
https://www.bing.com/search?q=brandolini&form=APIPA1&PC=APPD (https://www.bing.com/search?q=brandolini&form=APIPA1&PC=APPD)
Post by: Joso on December 03, 2024, 11:34:00 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 04, 2024, 07:49:38 AM
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 04, 2024, 09:30:39 AM
Has anyone ever heard of Brandolini?
I decided to Google it, and this is basically what it says...
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Brandolini’s law (also called the bullshit asymmetry principle), is the adage that “the amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it”.
Seems to fit the EV push perfectly... :grin
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 04, 2024, 09:43:14 AM
Two devastating EV crashes in November claimed eight lives and left one critically injured. Why do these incidents often involve fires?
Discover the critical flaw in some EV designs, the unique risks of lithium-ion batteries, and the truth about post-crash fires in both EVs and gas-powered vehicles.
It’s time to rethink vehicle safety.
https://youtu.be/Xl4LtE3wiGA?si=Nd9eW8p_ZzM1BWOv
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 09, 2024, 02:48:01 PM
The sluggish uptake of battery EVs comes despite a raft of financial incentives offered by federal and state governments.
These include a higher luxury car tax threshold and exemptions from fringe benefits tax and customs duty.
Battery EVs are also exempted from paying road user charges via fuel excise, which is effectively a subsidy.
However, several jurisdictions reduced rebate programs and tax exemptions for 2023 and 2024.
The $3,000 rebates in New South Wales and South Australia terminated on January 1, this year.
The New South Wales government also eliminated a stamp duty rebate for new and used zero-emission vehicles worth
up to $78,000. Both incentives have been offered since 2021.
Victoria’s $3,000 rebate, which began in 2021, expired in the middle of 2023.
In the ACT, the incentive of two years of free registration expired on June 30, 2024.
Queensland’s $6,000 incentive for electric vehicles expired in September 2024.
The Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) recently lowered its forecast for battery EV adoption over the next decade
from seven million to four million units.
A recent McKinsey Mobility Consumer survey shows that 49% of Australian EV owners are “very likely” to return to ICE vehicles.
Respondents’ main worries were the poor state of public charging infrastructure (35%) and expensive purchase costs (34%).
The comparison website Compare the Market recently raised concerns about ownership expenses.
The study of 12 insurers found that electric vehicles cost about 50% more to insure than their ICE counterparts.
To read the full story, click this link: https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/12/evs-lead-crash-in-new-car-sales/ (https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/12/evs-lead-crash-in-new-car-sales/)
Post by: Gadget on December 09, 2024, 11:00:46 PM
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Post by: cravenhaven on December 10, 2024, 07:21:42 AM
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/vfacts-october-1-million-units-and-counting-147910/ (https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/vfacts-october-1-million-units-and-counting-147910/)
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 12, 2024, 10:09:27 PM
Australia’s EV sales in 2024, including plug-in hybrid vehicles, have exceeded 100,000 units.
We take a look at the breakdown of those numbers.
https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/australian-ev-market-100k-sales (https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/australian-ev-market-100k-sales)
John Cadogan's take on the Electric Vehicle Council's fudging of the EV sales figures...
https://youtu.be/fYnsorOopks?si=z5D80qgWbju65xDP (https://youtu.be/fYnsorOopks?si=z5D80qgWbju65xDP)
Post by: ruSTynutz on December 17, 2024, 08:31:48 AM
In short:
Strata owners are increasingly banning electric vehicles (EVs) from charging in apartment basement carparks, citing a perceived risk of battery fires.
EV fire safety researchers say the risk is no greater than for petrol and diesel cars and such concerns are fed by misinformation, but state fire authorities urge caution.
What's next?
Strata committees blocking EV charging may slow the uptake of EVs and make it harder for Australia to meet its emission reduction commitments.
To continue, click this link: https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-12-17/strata-residents-banning-electric-vehicle-ev-charging/104707754 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-12-17/strata-residents-banning-electric-vehicle-ev-charging/104707754)
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 06, 2025, 09:18:43 PM
https://youtu.be/py9huBMByvs?si=AEDZmXMJYh4-C6Ez
Post by: Joso on January 06, 2025, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 07, 2025, 08:40:18 AM
Deliveries of all electric cars except Tesla grew by nearly 30 per cent last year – but a sales slide for the US car giant pulled the total closer to negative territory than ever before.
Annual sales of fully-electric vehicles in Australia have increased by the smallest margin on record, data published today has revealed.
And it is not due to a cooling in demand for all types of battery-only cars, but rather 8000 fewer Tesla deliveries than in 2023 that pulled the entire EV market down to a year-on-year increase of 4.7 per cent – compared to 29 per cent growth for all other EVs.
Data published by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) and Electric Vehicle Council (EVC) lists 91,292 new electric vehicles as sold in 2024, compared to 87,217 the year prior.
EV sales growth outpaced the broader new-car market – which was up 1.7 per cent year-on-year – but it is a far cry from year-on-year increases of 161 per cent in 2023, 93 per cent in 2022 and about 230 per cent in 2021.
To continue reading, click this link: https://www.drive.com.au/news/electric-car-sales-stall-in-australia-2024/ (https://www.drive.com.au/news/electric-car-sales-stall-in-australia-2024/)
Post by: Gadget on January 11, 2025, 08:24:39 AM
Electric car sales growth in Australia hits the brakes amid Tesla slump in 2024The much anticipated model Y refresh was released yesterday. Many potential buyers were holding off for the release. Others who are waiting for 2nd hand model Ys, were also waiting for the release of the new one.
Deliveries of all electric cars except Tesla grew by nearly 30 per cent last year – but a sales slide for the US car giant pulled the total closer to negative territory than ever before.
Annual sales of fully-electric vehicles in Australia have increased by the smallest margin on record, data published today has revealed.
And it is not due to a cooling in demand for all types of battery-only cars, but rather 8000 fewer Tesla deliveries than in 2023 that pulled the entire EV market down to a year-on-year increase of 4.7 per cent – compared to 29 per cent growth for all other EVs.
Data published by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) and Electric Vehicle Council (EVC) lists 91,292 new electric vehicles as sold in 2024, compared to 87,217 the year prior.
EV sales growth outpaced the broader new-car market – which was up 1.7 per cent year-on-year – but it is a far cry from year-on-year increases of 161 per cent in 2023, 93 per cent in 2022 and about 230 per cent in 2021.
To continue reading, click this link: https://www.drive.com.au/news/electric-car-sales-stall-in-australia-2024/ (https://www.drive.com.au/news/electric-car-sales-stall-in-australia-2024/)
In Q4, Tesla made 345,000 vehicles and sold 395,000 vehicles and only missed their projections by 1.8%
https://www.tesla.com/en_au
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Post by: ruSTynutz on January 11, 2025, 09:14:53 AM
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 11, 2025, 09:35:45 AM
2024 EV sales in Australia:
A deep dive into the electric car market that saw Tesla drop, BYD grow – and 10 new brands enter the market
https://tinyurl.com/pnapavm5
Post by: Gadget on January 17, 2025, 12:53:30 PM
I must admit I like the look of the new "Y" more than the old one... :thumbYay! Something we can agree on. :grin
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Post by: ruSTynutz on January 17, 2025, 02:45:25 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 19, 2025, 08:55:18 PM
Carsales survey shows 18% of intenders pick EVs, down from 40% in June 2022
ELECTRIC vehicle consideration has again dropped significantly for Australian motorists with the latest Carsales EV Consumer Survey
report confirming that hybrid vehicles are the emerging choice – alongside petrol.
When asked to predict the car respondents would be driving in 2035, nearly half said they would be driving a petrol vehicle (27 per cent)
or a hybrid vehicle (22 per cent) in 10 years.
Only 18 per cent of respondents believe they will be driving an EV by 2030; a steep decline from 40 per cent in a June 2022 survey.
The survey also showed that price remains a key barrier to selecting an EV as a next car, Carsales data services director Ross Booth
said. “The price issue was further highlighted with two-thirds of EV considerers saying they’d be more likely to buy an EV if there was a
$3000 government incentive,” Mr Booth said.
“The good news is that we’ve already seen a drop in new EV prices. Since 2021, the price of petrol vehicles has risen by 20 per cent,
while EV prices have decreased by 9 per cent, a drop of more than $3000 on average.
“Competition in the EV market is also increasing and, with up to 12 new Chinese car brands set to enter the country, many of which
will focus on EVs, prices will likely drop further in the upcoming years,” he said.
The key findings from the survey are:
- Lifetime EV consideration has once again dropped, with only 30 per cent of respondents having ever considered an EV.
This continued drop from 56 per cent (June 2022) likely a reflection of the cost of living crisis and a decrease in disposable income
for the average person. - The loyalty of current EV owners is declining: While 83 per cent of EV owners are likely to buy another EV in the future, this
represents a decrease over time from 95 per cent in May 2023. - However, consideration of hybrid vehicles has significantly increased from May 2024. Both plug-in hybrids (up 24 per cent) and
regular hybrids (up 53 per cent) have significantly increased in consideration and are now considered more often than battery electric cars.
Post by: ruSTynutz on January 29, 2025, 09:35:53 AM
Are electric vehicles really safer when it comes to fire risks? You’ve probably heard the widely shared claim that EVs only
experience 25 fires per 100,000 vehicles sold—a statistic that seems to outshine gas and hybrid vehicles.
But what if I told you that data is completely wrong?
In this video, we’ll dive into the truth behind EV fire statistics and uncover the misinformation that’s been circulating for years.
From the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) to global studies in South Korea and Sweden, we’ll explore the
limitations of current data sources like NHTSA, NFIRS, and EV FireSafe, and explain why accurate fire incident reporting is crucial.
https://youtu.be/cIDZT55rwh4?si=Vzd4Ibs-HO8jL2sc
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 06, 2025, 10:03:01 AM
The sales of Tesla electric vehicles has slumped sharply again in the first month of 2025, with sales of the once market-leading Model 3 sedan
falling more than 60 per cent below the same month last year.
Tesla has been the major player in the Australian EV market, with share sales consistently above 60 per cent over recent years, but that started
to change in 2024 when its sales for the year slumped 17 per cent – a fall attributed to increased competition from Chinese EV makers, the
expiry of state rebates, and the impact of Musk’s political actions.
That slump has continued into January. It is traditionally a slow month for the car maker – and the industry as a whole – but new data released
by the Electric Vehicle Council show that Tesla’s overall EV sales fell 33.24 per cent to just 739 units.
The Model Y held up OK, increasing sales by 21 per cent over the same month a year earlier to 465. But the Model 3, despite the release of the
“refreshed” Highland option, slumped 62 per cent to just 274 – a figure that a year ago would have not earned a place in the top five EVs in the country.
To continue reading, click this link: https://tinyurl.com/yrpdyr7s
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 17, 2025, 01:12:49 PM
https://tinyurl.com/32bb4mtz
Post by: ruSTynutz on February 25, 2025, 09:57:08 PM
Tesla owners have stunned the Australian motoring industry with a move against Elon Musk’s company.
Disgruntled Tesla owners in Australia have launched legal proceedings in the Federal Court against Elon Musk’s car manufacturer, claiming the company sold vehicles with major defects while also over-promising on the abilities of its cars.
The consumer action filed against Tesla Motors Australia by Australian firm JGA Saddler targets the sales of Model 3 and Y cars manufactured by the US-based Tesla Inc.
Both those models accounted for more than 40 per cent of Australian EV sales in 2024 despite the surge of Chinese brands entering the EV market.
The class action will target three alleged problems with the Model 3 and Y cars, including ‘phantom braking’, poor battery range and lack of autonomous driving.
“Tesla made promises about their vehicles’ safety, performance and features such as their ‘full self-driving’, but it appears some of these promises are falling flat,” JGA Saddler director Rebecca Jancauskas told AAP.
Ms Jancauskas said ‘phantom braking’, the potential for a vehicle to activate its emergency braking systems for no reason while in cruise control, was a huge problem for Tesla drivers in Australia.
“This dangerous phenomenon … would terrify you and your passengers and could, if it causes an accident, result in serious injury and/or death,” Ms Jancauskas said.
While the braking issue is a safety matter, the battery and autonomous driving issues are a matter of Tesla failing to deliver on its promises to customers, according to the class action.
“Imagine your EV has never reached 75 per cent of its advertised battery range, or the promised self-driving features, that you paid a premium of more than $5000 for, have never been delivered,” Ms Jancauskas said.
To continue reading, click this link: https://tinyurl.com/etkru4vw
Post by: ruSTynutz on March 04, 2025, 11:05:57 PM
The investigations focus on the information provided to consumers regarding EV driving range, battery capacity degradation and limitations on standard battery warranties.
The Italian Competition Authority has launched four investigations into BYD Industria Italia s.r.l., Stellantis Europe S.p.A., Tesla Italy s.r.l. and Volkswagen Group Italia S.p.A. over suspected unfair commercial practices. The investigations look into the information provided to consumers on EV driving range, battery capacity degradation and limitations on standard battery warranties, potentially in breach of the Consumer Code.
In particular, the companies’ websites appear to have displayed generic – and at times contradictory – information regarding the driving range of their marketed electric vehicles, without clarifying which factors impact the advertised maximum range and the extent to which they affect the actual range.
To continue reading, click link: https://en.agcm.it/en/media/press-releases/2025/2/PS12926-PS12927-PS12928-PS12929
Post by: ruSTynutz on March 12, 2025, 10:42:04 AM
Elon Musk’s association with the Trump Administration has contributed to the tanking of Tesla sales across the globe.
According to CarScoops, Tesla sales in Norway fell 44.4% in January through February, while in Germany, Tesla sales fell 76.3% in February compared to the same month in 2024.
The picture becomes even bleaker when you realise that in both the Norwegian and German markets, overall EV adoption has steadily increased.
Electrek reports that global sales of Tesla were down year-over-year for the first time in a decade in 2024, and the situation looks worse in 2025.
Back home in Australia, Tesla’s deliveries dropped 65.5% in the first two months of 2025.
The latest data from the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) and the Electric Vehicle Council shows that a total of 5,684 full battery electric vehicles (BEVs) were sold in
Australia in February, compared to 10,111 in the same month last year, when Tesla dominated and accounted for 5,665 units.
Tesla sold just 1,592 units in February—accounting for nearly all the fall in BEV sales by number.
To continue reading, click this link: https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2025/03/tesla-drives-crash-in-ev-sales/ (https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2025/03/tesla-drives-crash-in-ev-sales/)
Post by: ruSTynutz on March 12, 2025, 10:59:58 AM
See here: https://tinyurl.com/3yn49ku7
Post by: ruSTynutz on March 19, 2025, 09:48:24 AM
A viral video experiment has exposed flaws in Tesla’s camera-based “Autopilot” driver assistance system.
American YouTube presenter Mark Rober published a video examining the difference between camera and laser – or LIDAR – based driver assistance features in cars.
Tesla chief executive Elon Musk is a famous proponent of camera-based technology, believing that if visual processing is good enough for human eyes and minds to process their environment, then it can also work for cars.
But other companies ranging from Volvo to Google’s Waymo insist that more sophisticated radar and laser rangefinding sensors are necessary for vehicles to assess their surroundings.
Rober put the cars to the test by setting up a fake wall inspired by “Roadrunner” cartoons.
In his experiment, a Tesla Model Y relying on cameras for its cruise control and auto emergency braking systems did not detect the obstacle, smashing through it spectacularly.
But a prototype Lexus fitted with an expensive LIDAR scanner accurately recognised the wall and stopped in time.
To continue reading, click link: https://tinyurl.com/5e62p7ar
To view video, click this link: https://tinyurl.com/42tk6mvw :rofl
Post by: Shillas on March 19, 2025, 04:39:44 PM
I had to laugh at salesman Trump's attempt to "pump up" the plummeting sales of Teslas by supposedly buying one, even though he doesn't drive... :rofl
With self driving mode in the US swasticar, he doesn't need to.
Post by: ruSTynutz on March 19, 2025, 07:39:01 PM
Anyone care to paint a brick wall instead of one made from polystyrene foam? :p
Post by: ruSTynutz on April 08, 2025, 05:04:56 PM
https://7news.com.au/news/the-great-ev-con-the-deception-driving-our-green-future-c-18261836
In a world-exclusive investigation, Liam Bartlett uncovers the dirty truth behind so-called clean, green electric vehicles
and how China is getting away with causing a toxic environmental catastrophe. :eek >:()
You'll need to sign up to 7Plus to watch the video: https://7plus.com.au/7news-spotlight
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 05, 2025, 12:55:14 PM
Plug-in hybrids, were down 62 per cent compared to March 2025,
Tesla, recorded just 500 deliveries in April, down a whopping 76 per cent.
Stock of the old Model Y did run out ahead of the first deliveries of the new Model Y which would not have helped but, a similar 76 per cent drop in Model 3 sales year on year also drove Tesla's low performance.
It will be interesting to see if sales bounce back in May... :popcorn
Post by: ruSTynutz on May 22, 2025, 10:49:13 AM
New figures from the Australian Automobile Association’s (AAA) EV Index show battery EV sales fell but hybrids grew - with the BYD Shark 6 a factor in the rise.
Australia’s electric vehicle (EV) market experienced a notable shift in the March 2025 quarter, as battery electric vehicle (BEV) sales fell to their lowest levels in two years, while hybrids and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) recorded strong gains.
The latest data from the Australian Automobile Association’s (AAA) EV Index revealed that BEVs accounted for just 6.3 per cent of new car sales, down from 7.42 per cent in the December 2024 quarter.
Only 17,914 BEVs were sold between January and March 2025, compared with 21,331 in the previous quarter. This decline coincided with a broader 0.96 per cent dip in total vehicle sales nationally. Internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles remained dominant with 206,810 sales, although this too was down from 215,789 the quarter before.
To continue reading, click the link: https://tinyurl.com/47mu3ehe
Post by: ruSTynutz on June 06, 2025, 10:33:48 AM
Typical media hype! Elon Musk has a huge commitment to EVs which I'm sure Trump wouldn't jeopardise. I think it's just a matter of Trump removing the Left's mandates on manufacturers.
Could be Bill, but Trump is that unpredictable he may very well follow through with some of his threats. I guess time will tell...
Seems the "bromance" is over... :rofl https://tinyurl.com/5h6yvwwa
Post by: ruSTynutz on July 10, 2025, 11:29:46 AM
Chris Haslam, Chief Travel Writer
Tuesday July 08 2025
It’s green, it’s eco-friendly…and it can take up to six hours to charge, as Chris Haslam discovered. The road trip revolution is still a long way off.
My annual circumnavigation of mainland Britain and Northern Ireland presented the perfect opportunity to try to prove that it was not only possible, but, ideally, a breeze to complete a four-week road trip in an electric van.
Volkswagen thought so too, lending me an all-electric ID Buzz five-seater van, in two-tone candy white and bay leaf green, for the duration. The specs were as impressive as its surfy two-tone looks: an 84kWh battery that charged from 5 to 80 per cent in as little as 30 minutes and claimed a maximum range of up to 293 miles.
The job was to survey the English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish coasts — a distance of some 4,800 miles — but since I had the entire month of May to complete the journey I set a maximum of 240 miles a day, leaving a minimum 53-mile safety buffer within which to find a charger for my anticipated daily 30-minute top-up. That may sound overcautious, but over the 16 years I’ve been doing this journey, I’ve seen loads of old service stations closed down, but never seen a new one open.
You need apps to find chargers. A single app won’t do because you can’t be sure that it lists all locations, or that it will communicate with the actual charger you want to use so you can get loyalty discounts and receipts, so I downloaded Charge Assist, Electroverse, InstaVolt, Plugsurfing, Pod Point and Zapmap. They’re all free, because they make their money in a variety of ways — that may include commission from charging providers, advertising or data analytics, for example — and soon their icons were crowding my phone.
It was already becoming something of a faff and I wondered how useful they’d be in those parts of the nation where 5G is a popular fairytale, but, overall, I was extremely pleased with myself. I had a green van and a greener plan for a low-cost, zero-carbon road trip (if you ignore the upstream emissions from manufacture and electricity generation). That’s not how it turned out.
Click on this link to continue reading: https://archive.md/id5Wt
Post by: Biggles on July 10, 2025, 04:42:36 PM
"First off, few EVs can draw 300kW. The Audi e-tron, the Porsche Taycan and the Volvo EX90 are among the exceptions, but the VW ID Buzz pulls only 185kW. Second, if the battery is too cold, or too warm, you won’t even get 50kW. Ditto if the battery is almost empty. Third, your charge could be slower than advertised because, er, there are other drivers charging, or it’s a Monday and there are five crows perched in the lightning tree, or the cows are lying down."
Post by: Biggles on July 10, 2025, 04:49:45 PM
"The next morning I crept the six miles into Eastbourne on the electrical equivalent of fumes, following the Electroverse app’s directions to a high-speed charger in a Volvo dealership. How I laughed when they told me it was out of order, and how I chuckled again when I discovered that the trickle charger at the VW dealership — a tense half-mile away — would take six hours to bring me up to 80 per cent.
I gave it an hour to get enough power to drive to Waitrose, where a 120kW charger told me it would take just three hours to fill my battery.
Unless you’re a student of urban decline or a fan of post-apocalyptic horror, you’ll find three hours is too long to be in Eastbourne. I sat in a café one street back from the ruins of the seafront, watching as zombies lurched past. It gave me time to think."
Post by: Brock on July 10, 2025, 06:32:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBMJKMgZ13s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBMJKMgZ13s)
Post by: ruSTynutz on July 10, 2025, 07:26:38 PM
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Post by: ruSTynutz on July 15, 2025, 12:52:45 PM
The spontaneous trip wasn't without its challenges, but it's an adventure they'll never forget.
Crossing the Nullarbor is not for the faint-hearted. But imagine travelling the isolated 1,200km stretch in a Tesla that only has 4 per cent battery left.
That was the nail-biting reality for Perth couple Abby and Patrick, who had to travel 20km/h under the speed limit at one point to make sure they'd be able to reach their next charging station.
Incredibly, their journey across Australia was their first time ever driving a Tesla. After purchasing a Model S from Canberra, the pair decided to fly over at the end of May to pick it up and drive it back home.
Abby told Yahoo News the road trip was "quite the inauguration" to the world of EVs, but they loved every moment of the "wild" adventure.
Their 3,700km trip was split up over four days and three nights, with the most challenging part “definitely” the Nullarbor. One 460km stretch had no charging stations at all, with the couple putting their faith in their new car's long-range battery.
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Post by: LindsayGT on July 15, 2025, 04:48:45 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on July 15, 2025, 05:46:18 PM
I get that you're trying to prove/show that you can do that sort of a trip with an EV but, whichever way you look at it, with the limited range of most EVs and questionable (at times) charging infrastructure, it does require a lot more time, effort and planning than it does with an ICE vehicle which, to me is a major downside of owning an EV.
Post by: Brock on July 15, 2025, 08:42:55 PM
Yes you can do the drive, but their are hurdles to clear. For me, the time to recharge the car before being able to continue is a problem. I like to be able to have a 5 minute fuel stop, grab a bite to eat and continue the trip. Several hours sitting around in the middle of nowhere waiting to charge is distance not being covered. That takes away from time available at the places you want to spend time.
Then there is the problem with chargers being available/ serviceable. It would be no fun to have 20 Ks range left, and there being a queue to use the only working charger..
It will be a long time before I go that way.
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 03, 2025, 10:50:56 PM
A major player in American shipping has issued a ban on electric vehicles following devastating fires at sea.
The latest fire saw the Morning Midas car carrier burn at sea for three weeks with more than 3000 cars on board before capsizing and sinking to a depth of more than 16,000 feet near Alaska.
It follows similar incidents for car carriers such as the Fremantle Highway in 2023 and Felicity Ace in 2022.
All three ships were carrying a mix of electric, hybrid, and conventionally powered vehicles.
Matson, a company that specialises in shipping goods including vehicles between the US mainland, Hawaii, Guam and Alaska, surprised customers in July by declaring an EV ban.
A statement issued by the company said that “due to increasing concern for the safety of transporting vehicles powered by large lithium-ion batteries, Matson is suspending acceptance of used
or new electric vehicles (EVs) and plug-in hybrid vehicles for transport aboard its vessels,” it said.
“Effective immediately, we have ceased accepting new bookings for these shipments to/from all trades.”
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Post by: Joso on August 03, 2025, 11:14:50 PM
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Post by: ruSTynutz on August 08, 2025, 10:40:21 PM
https://youtu.be/EQWGWtluejs
Post by: Wild Rose on August 09, 2025, 06:36:34 PM
What did you get ?
My Daughter has a Tesla3 and a friend has a MG4
They are all happy with them
I watched the story EV that caught fire but it didn't say what brand it was so hard to make a decision on it
But it is a problem
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 09, 2025, 06:45:43 PM
I watched the story EV that caught fire but it didn't say what brand it was so hard to make a decision on it
But it is a problem
Hi Leo, he said it was a Tesla @ the 27 second mark... :thumb
Cheers :beer
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 11, 2025, 12:10:26 PM
https://youtu.be/88KHfX_kPIY
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 12, 2025, 10:03:43 AM
Plans being fast-tracked for new road user charge for EV drivers
For years, drivers of EV vehicles have escaped petrol taxes that help fund road upgrades. But that’s all about to change.
The free ride enjoyed by drivers of electric vehicles is coming to a close with Treasurer Jim Chalmers and state governments fast-tracking plans for a new road-user charge.
The Treasurer has long flagged the development of a new road-user charge across Australia for drivers of electric vehicles to ensure EV drivers are contributing a fair share to road upgrades.
Now the government, state treasurers and industry experts are gathering to hold high-level talks on how a new road user charge will work ahead of next week’s economic roundtable in Canberra.
All Australian motorists who buy petrol and diesel at the bowser pay 51.6 cents a litre in fuel excise.
Based on a planned NSW road user scheme, a national rollout will depend on your mileage but might cost between $300 and $400 a year.
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Post by: Biggles on August 12, 2025, 12:28:48 PM
Post by: Williamson on August 12, 2025, 03:26:16 PM
I can hear the outrage from the EV zealots already! |-i
Plans being fast-tracked for new road user charge for EV drivers
For years, drivers of EV vehicles have escaped petrol taxes that help fund road upgrades. But that’s all about to change.
The free ride enjoyed by drivers of electric vehicles is coming to a close with Treasurer Jim Chalmers and state governments fast-tracking plans for a new road-user charge.
The Treasurer has long flagged the development of a new road-user charge across Australia for drivers of electric vehicles to ensure EV drivers are contributing a fair share to road upgrades.
Now the government, state treasurers and industry experts are gathering to hold high-level talks on how a new road user charge will work ahead of next week’s economic roundtable in Canberra.
All Australian motorists who buy petrol and diesel at the bowser pay 51.6 cents a litre in fuel excise.
Based on a planned NSW road user scheme, a national rollout will depend on your mileage but might cost between $300 and $400 a year.
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In Victoria, this was introduced in 2021 before being abolished in 2023.
From a Google AI overview:
Victoria's electric vehicle (EV) road-user charge was ruled unconstitutional by the High Court in November 2023, and the state government was required to refund the money collected. This decision stemmed from a legal challenge arguing that states cannot impose excise taxes on vehicles. While the charge was scrapped, Victoria also ended its EV subsidy program on June 30, 2023.
I surprised that it's taken this long for the Feds to propose it.
Striking an equitable rate will be difficult due to so many variable, relevant criteria, but I don't think that having a set fee would be fair, afterall we don't have a fixed annual fee with the fuel excise. The fuel excise is probably a good fit as it is a function of useage, this takes into account distance travelled, economy of a vehicle and vehicle mass.
The way I see it working and acceptable (if EV and Hybrid owners will accept it) would be on distance travelled. EV and Hybrid owners will probably need to report vehicle km and start / end of the financial year, or at the purchase / sale of their vehilce (let's include in their tax returns).
After the fee is collected, another issue will be how it's spent. Any need to worry here? We all know how responsible all levels of previous and current governments (both flavours) have been with spending excises, tariff and taxes. Yeah, no need to worry at all.
Post by: Langers on August 12, 2025, 04:04:38 PM
I can hear the outrage from the EV zealots already! |-i
Plans being fast-tracked for new road user charge for EV drivers
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The way I see it working and acceptable (if EV and Hybrid owners will accept it) would be on distance travelled. EV and Hybrid owners will probably need to report vehicle km and start / end of the financial year, or at the purchase / sale of their vehilce (let's include in their tax returns).
Sounds like the creation of yet another army of bureaucrats - checking and verifying the accuracy of the reports, under a cost recovery system no doubt. Mind you, including the data collection in tax returns may be another positive wrt aging (& there's not to bloody many of them), that being many superannuated seniors don't do tax returns and so no EV charge!!! Hmmm, perhaps I might just reconsider my opposition to these environmental disasters waiting to happen.
Post by: Williamson on August 12, 2025, 05:36:48 PM
... many superannuated seniors don't do tax returns ...
Well, not currently, but they may have to report on their EV useage some way. Just what many of us want,
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 12, 2025, 06:58:48 PM
I surprised that it's taken this long for the Feds to propose it.
I think they have been a reluctant to bring it in due to slower than hoped for take up of EVs.
Take up will be even slower, (I'd imagine) when they introduce an EV user charge...
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 12, 2025, 07:14:08 PM
Should be $500 because they're so much heavier!! :rofl
I reckon $500 would be cheap, I suggest it would need to be closer to $1000 to bring it more inline with what ice vehicle owners probably shell out in a year in excise.
Post by: Biggles on August 14, 2025, 08:38:26 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 14, 2025, 09:47:56 PM
Post by: West Aussie Glen on August 18, 2025, 09:56:19 AM
Should be $500 because they're so much heavier!! :roflHow heavier is your hybrid compared to a non hybrid, a guess would be about 10% and if it uses 10% less than the same ice model then hybrid should be paying an extra 20% fuel road t :grinx
Post by: West Aussie Glen on August 18, 2025, 09:59:23 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/is-it-actually-hard-to-drive-an-ev-across-australia/ar-AA1JLgIU?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=73317a4f4d28418ddf343a5efbc29440&ei=143 (https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/is-it-actually-hard-to-drive-an-ev-across-australia/ar-AA1JLgIU?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=73317a4f4d28418ddf343a5efbc29440&ei=143)
I love the heading in BOLD Print for the last two paragraphs.
Post by: Williamson on August 18, 2025, 12:52:21 PM
How heavier is your hybrid compared to a non hybrid, a guess would be about 10% and if it uses 10% less than the same ice model then hybrid should be paying an extra 20% fuel road t :grinx
From a sample of one from CarSales.com quoted specs, the 2008 Honda Civic Hybrid is 4.5% heavier than the equivalent ICE version.
I looked at that model because as far as I can recall, these were the first Hybrids, and thus have been allegedly damaging our roads more than the ICE version since 2008, ie. more than any other make / model.
If any blame is to be directed and revenue received for heavier vehicles causing more damage to the roads, perhaps the bean counters should look at the vehicles that are heavier and being sold in greater numbers, eg. Toyota Hi Lux, Ford Ranger, Isuzu DMax, etc...
But this is likely to result in overcharging tradies to overcharge even more.
Post by: Langers on August 18, 2025, 03:49:05 PM
Post by: Williamson on August 18, 2025, 05:44:17 PM
& in SA I'm already paying 50% Rego because being a ute it's (the DMax) classed as a commercial vehicle, despite not being used as a commercial vehicle (never get in the way of a Govt. and your wallet). So, I'm more than happy for our EV driving friends to pay a little more for the possible damage to our roads. But to be honest, in my view it is the very heavy vehicles with their airbag suspension that's causing much of the problem out on the country roads. I can't help but wonder whether road engineering and building hasn't kept up with the increased weights of these behemoths thundering down our roads.
Last work vehicle I had was a DMax, I didn't like it very much, it was a base model, so perhaps it was a bit crude.
Re. rego and insurance fees, I can remember tradies squealing about fees on the talkback radio recently, so may be it's like that in VIC too.
Re. road design and construction, this was not my forte, but one of the annual tasks was to get AADT (average annual dail traffic) surveys (I had a very important role at Council). The road design engineers were not as interested in the daily traffic volume as much as they were in the percentage of heavy (7.5 tonne) vehicles. May be it is time that the road design standards were reviewed.
Reviews - Australian Standards required car parks (individual bays and the overall layout) be designed to cater for the 85th%ile vehicle, which happened to be a Ford Falcon sedan (the 99th%ile was the station wagon and the Fairlane), these hadn't had any really tangible changes since the late 1960's.
Back in (probably) 2018 / 2019, as it started to emerge that the largest selling vehicles in Australia were the Hi Lux, Ranger, DMax, Triton, etc, I asked one of my very bright young engineers (Paul) to put some figures together to confirm (facts, figures, evidence) what were all anecdotally knew, that cars were getting bigger. Yeah, Paul proved what we all knew.
A DRAFT "paper' was prepared for a national roads & traffic conference (we were gunna be famous), but it was buried by the Director and CEO.
Que Sera, Sera
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 18, 2025, 08:21:19 PM
Not sure if this link has been posted before:-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/is-it-actually-hard-to-drive-an-ev-across-australia/ar-AA1JLgIU?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=73317a4f4d28418ddf343a5efbc29440&ei=143 (https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/is-it-actually-hard-to-drive-an-ev-across-australia/ar-AA1JLgIU?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=73317a4f4d28418ddf343a5efbc29440&ei=143)
After reading the heading of that article (Is it actually hard to drive an EV across Australia?) I was a bit surprised he considers driving from Melbourne to Sydney is crossing Australia... >:()
Post by: West Aussie Glen on August 18, 2025, 11:16:01 PM
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 19, 2025, 12:39:13 AM
Plus a lot more time, planning & inconveniences involved...
Post by: Gadget on August 22, 2025, 04:39:07 PM
Time to give this crap a rest how many times does it have to be put on the site give it a spellIt's his "crusade". He's trying to 'educate' us.
He thinks my 45+ years with ICE vehicles is meaningless, so I have no idea what I'm doing with an EV.
Psst, don't tell him I just bought a 2nd one because the first one is so good.
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Post by: Gadget on August 22, 2025, 04:40:36 PM
EV Burns After Sitting 2 Years – TWICE!No Tesla has those tail lights.
https://youtu.be/EQWGWtluejs
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Post by: Gadget on August 22, 2025, 04:41:12 PM
For the last 40+ years, my wife and I have driven from Brisbane to Cairns in a wide variety of cars and 4WDs (V8, 6, V6, 4 cyl Turbo diesel), the distance is 1,700 km or 1056 miles, and we have always done it over 2 days.
We drove it on our EV, and every time we stopped to
️,
, or 
, we:
order
️ and /
/
/
Consume
️ and ///Un-
....We were never waiting on the car. In fact, I had to interrupt a couple of meals to go unplug and move the car, because it was already full.
Arrived in the same 2 day time period, and arrived completely fresh and relaxed.
Whilst we were in Cairns, I towed a trailer with several loads of furniture.
The return trip of 3,579 km or 2,224 miles cost AU$211 (US$136.58)
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Post by: ruSTynutz on August 22, 2025, 06:08:44 PM
he's trying to 'educate' us.
Obviously wasted on you as you love EVs so much that you can't even acknowledge that there are downsides to owning and driving an EV or admit that there are some advantages of an ICE over an EV...
EV Burns After Sitting 2 Years – TWICE!No Tesla has those tail lights.
https://youtu.be/EQWGWtluejs
Perhaps you don't know Teslas as much as you think you do!
Check out a Tesla X and you may just find you're wrong... :p
Post by: Gadget on August 22, 2025, 08:35:11 PM
If there was a single downside, I would have found it by now and I am the type to acknowledged it.
I never thorns a product I haven't tried and tested for myself.
You're implying I'm narrow minded, but unlike you, I've owned and driven both, and I can provide a list a mile long of the downsides I've personally experienced with ICE Vehicles with each getting their scheduled routine maintenance:
Cylinders wear
Worn and broken Rings
Worn and burnt valve seats
Loss of compression
Water in the fuel
Water in the fuel tank
Water in the cylinder and hydrostatic lock
Holes in the radiator
Burst water hoses
Broken timing chains
Slipped timing
Slipping fan belts
Worn clutch
Blocked air filter
Faulty air flow sensor
Cracked distributor caps
Worn points
Faulty ignition leads
Faulty spark plugs
Faulty fuel pump
Faulty EFI Computer
Leaky fuel filters
Blocked injectors
Blown and leaky head gaskets
Water in the oil jacket
Oil leaks
Hole in the sump
Faulty gear boxes, manual, auto, and Faulty DSG gearbox Controller
Stripped differential gears
Broken drive shafts
Worn brake pads
Worn out disc rotors
Worn out drum cylinders
Worn out CV joints
And more heat related failures under the bonnet.
My EV after 3 years:
one set of wiper blades
one cabin air filter
End of list
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Post by: Gadget on August 22, 2025, 08:38:25 PM
evfiresafe.com for firefighter research based on data not media and social media click bait.
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Post by: ruSTynutz on August 22, 2025, 10:17:49 PM
I can provide a list a mile long of the downsides I've personally experienced with ICE Vehicles with each getting their scheduled routine maintenance:
Good for you! I don't believe I've ever said there aren't downsides with ICEs...
There are obviously downsides to any vehicle, whether it's an EV or an ICE.
But, If you can't admit or acknowledge them when it comes to an EV, then I guess that's your issue.
You may find this Ai Google search on the downsides of EVs of interest...or not:
Electric vehicles (EVs) have several drawbacks, including high initial purchase price, limited driving range, long charging times, and
the need for a robust charging infrastructure. Additionally, battery degradation, potential range limitations in cold weather, and the
environmental impact of battery production are also concerns.
Detailed Disadvantages:
High Initial Cost:
EVs typically have a higher purchase price compared to gasoline-powered cars, though this is offset by lower running costs.
Limited Driving Range:
While ranges are improving, many EVs still have a shorter range than gasoline cars, leading to "range anxiety" for some drivers.
Longer Charging Times:
Charging an EV takes considerably longer than refilling a gasoline car, especially when using public charging stations.
Charging Infrastructure:
The availability and reliability of public charging stations, particularly in certain locations, can be a significant hurdle.
Battery Degradation:
EV batteries lose capacity over time, reducing the vehicle's range and requiring eventual replacement, which can be costly.
Battery Production's Environmental Impact:
The manufacturing of EV batteries requires rare earth minerals and can have environmental consequences in mining and processing.
Cold Weather Performance:
Extreme cold can affect battery performance and range, leading to slower charging and reduced mileage.
Potential for Higher Insurance Costs:
Some insurers may charge higher premiums for EVs due to the higher cost of repairs and potential for battery damage.
Depreciation:
EVs tend to depreciate faster than traditional vehicles, potentially impacting resale value.
Limited Model Availability:
The range of EV models, particularly in certain body styles or with specific features, may be more limited than gasoline cars.
Reliability Concerns:
Some EV components, especially batteries and related electronics, can be prone to issues, particularly in newer models.
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 22, 2025, 10:21:45 PM
Perhaps you don't know Teslas as much as you think you do!
Check out a Tesla X and you may just find you're wrong... :p
As you're "very factual" I'm surprised you didn't comment... :whistle :popcorn
Post by: Gadget on August 22, 2025, 10:59:07 PM
As former soldier, as a decent human being, I am offended and insulted.
Google AI just scrapes the internet. Good and bad. Real and fake. Factual and oil industry propaganda.
The commercial media are very dependent on coal, gas, and oil advertising revenue. They've written dozens of anti-EV articles based on falsehoods to discredit EVs, and Google just sucks up all the lies, Ag you believe them, without critical thinking.
Here's a hint. You don't like them, don't buy one.
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Post by: Gadget on August 22, 2025, 11:00:04 PM
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Post by: ruSTynutz on August 23, 2025, 12:16:04 PM
< on the spectrum...
That explains a lot... :thumbs
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 23, 2025, 12:22:21 PM
How far can electric cars REALLY go in EXTREME heat??
https://youtu.be/5G1KQhCotSI
Post by: West Aussie Glen on August 23, 2025, 12:52:21 PM
Still a lot harder than an ice!Not really, I would take the same time in an EV as I do on my Goldwing.
Plus a lot more time, planning & inconveniences involved...
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 23, 2025, 01:02:45 PM
Post by: Gadget on August 23, 2025, 02:38:39 PM
Zero inconvenience.Still a lot harder than an ice!Not really, I would take the same time in an EV as I do on my Goldwing.
Plus a lot more time, planning & inconveniences involved...
Every stop, was a stop we were going to make anyway, and is further than my 4.2 litre VB SLE commodore could do on a tank (220 km range when driven willingly), or my 650 V-Star.
Plugshare.com and Abetterroutplanner.com make trip planning very easy. So easy with ABRP, as it is automated, linked to the car, so it knows the SoC, and plans accordingly.
Far less planning than I did on the ST during a LDR.
This November, I'm driving Brisbane to Adelaide via Western NSW, to Melbourne, then up the East Coast via Lakes Entrance. ABRP trips already planned. Took me about 30 seconds each for the 3 major legs.
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Post by: ruSTynutz on August 23, 2025, 04:24:38 PM
Now I don't have to see that crap anymore.
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That lasted a long time... :rofl
Post by: Gadget on August 23, 2025, 04:32:15 PM
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Post by: ruSTynutz on August 23, 2025, 04:58:46 PM
Post by: West Aussie Glen on August 23, 2025, 11:46:59 PM
Still a lot harder than an ice!It would be no different to how I cross the Nullarbor on my Goldwing, about to do another crossing next week.
Plus a lot more time, planning & inconveniences involved...
It will be my 24th crossing on solo, have done 5 on sidecar (one ways).
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 24, 2025, 12:41:49 AM
Sue & I are heading across the Nullarbor next month...
Post by: ruSTynutz on August 25, 2025, 10:34:43 AM
In short:
Sales of plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) are booming, while the market share of full-battery electric vehicles remains steady.
PHEVs now account for a quarter of EVs sold, as competing sides argue over whether they're a "stepping stone" or a "handbrake" to vehicle electrification.
What's next?
More automotive brands are launching new PHEV models into the Australian market, despite tax changes making PHEV ownership more expensive.
It's the "transition technology" that isn't going away.
For years, sales of plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), which can burn fuel or run off a battery, have been tipped to fall as full-battery electric vehicles (BEVs) take their place.
But in Australia, another story is unfolding.
PHEV sales are booming.
One year ago, not a single PHEV ute had been sold anywhere in Australia.
Today, there are more than 12,000 on our roads, and a PHEV is the fourth best-selling ute in the country.
To some, PHEVs are a necessary "stepping stone" in the process of vehicle electrification, helping Australians get used to battery-powered cars.
But others argue PHEVs simply prolong our costly love affair with unnecessarily large cars.
These hybrids, they say, are effectively gas guzzlers dressed up as EVs, or "wolves in sheep's clothing".
So why are Australians reluctant to drop the fuel tank entirely, and what does it mean for reducing emissions?
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