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Honda ST1100 Section => Electrics & Electronics - Volts, Amps and Fuses ST1100 => Topic started by: Totgas on June 30, 2013, 11:54:23 AM
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Well it got down to 9c in Brisbane the other day and now that I have arthritic pain in both my hands decided it was time to bite the bullet and buy some heated grips.
I looked at the cheapies on e-bay and the fitting videos and the fact that they warm to the efficiency of 10 watts. The Oxfords although 200 times dearer heat to 45 watts and come with a controller and an auto switch off (2013 model). So I thought this was the set for me.
Looked through this forum and whilst there are general remarks about the Oxfords nothing too detailed eg which type for the ST1100. I purchased (via e-bay $120) a set to touring grips (wrong) way too short, should have gone for the "Adventure" model. Mistake 1. Second the old grips came off pretty easy with the wife's hair dryer. As recommended used the super glue on the first (throttle) side. Mistake 2. The glue only jams the grip 3/4 of the way up and makes it impossible to slide it all the way on. And it's on so dame tight that it isn't going to slip no matter what.
Finished the rest of the install as stated, without issue.
Checked all the connections and all is working however - and this is a question for the guys with these fitted already.
Is it my perception or is the throttle grip cooler on the (R) from the (L) - or are my grips faulty. What might explain the difference is that the (R) side has a nylon sleeve and the (L) is solid steel.
Feedback appreciated.
Thanks,
Adrian.
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I've only had the grips on for one long ride (over 1000 kays a few weeks ago) and they're both great, and the same temperature. I would deduce not having the right one fully on due to the super-glue is your problem. Heat is being lost by its not being held in by the throttle cylinder. I bought mine on eBay, but picked them up from the warehouse here on northside Brisbane. They warned me about the superglue and supplied a two-pack "Araldite" glue. I honestly used no glue on either side because they fit so snugly.
You might try the hairdryer on the throttle side to see if it will weaken the super glue. No promises if it doesn't work, but I'll take the credit if it does! :grin
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As I couldn't get the grip on with the super glue I removed it completely. The heating differences may be due to a weaker heating coil on the (R) side. To aid the slide on I found that a bit of talc helped.
A.
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Like Biggles, I didn't use much if any superglue on the grips. I would rather be able to remove at a later stage if need be. As a precaution, I did put two drop each side to stop the twist.
Removing grips is easier with an air compressor. A blast of air up the jacksie does wonders.
There should not be any difference between RH and LH, with regard to heat. They should be the same temp.
It is possible to replace the adventure grips at a later stage if you want too. The grips are interchangeable with what ever controller.
:blu13
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I have heard that hairspray is good for getting the grips on, and when it drys it acts like a glue, keeping everything fixed.
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During a really cold Tassie ride last week I also noticed that the right was a little cooler. As I didnt fit them I am unsure why but its not an issue.
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I have heard that hairspray is good for getting the grips on, and when it drys it acts like a glue, keeping everything fixed.
Did just that but now i have two cable ties on right hand grip holding it on tight because slipping
Will take off and use a little silicon :think1
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I have Oxfords on my 1100 and I do not notice any real difference in temperature left to right. I love them!
Not all super glues are the same - it is possible to get a gel super glue that takes longer to cure - Bunnings have it and that is what was recommended to me by a bike shop.
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Not all super glues are the same - it is possible to get a gel super glue that takes longer to cure - Bunnings have it and that is what was recommended to me by a bike shop.
Good suggestion I get a tube next time I'm up there.
Cheers.
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There is a noticeable difference in the temps between right and left.
Also found the same when researching which are the best brands. So I knew about it in advance.
Some say it's because we take our hand off the left grip more than the right grip and it cools somewhat.
The difference in mine is only marginal but does exist.
Still, wouldn't be without them!
P.S. Greetings from Venice, Italy.
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P.S. Greetings from Venice, Italy.
Taking a FarRide to an extreme, aren't you?
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A piece of 25mm Heat shrink fitted onto the Left handle bar under the grip will generally even out the heat variation issue......
:beer
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Put a set of Hippo Hands over the top, Oxfords on 40% (2nd setting) and summer gloves and I rode 1297 km in temps from -2 to 9 degrees without an issue. I agree with the way we hold the bars being different, I tend to have a looser grip of the right side.
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Purchased some gel super glue and applied same to left grip. Right is on really tight no movement. Worked really well - Thanks. One other point to note is that the right grip should be placed as per the instructions however the left grip needs to be rotated anti-clockwise otherwise the lead interferes with the clutch.
Cheers,
A.
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Well it got down to 9c in Brisbane the other day........
9c ?? You poor bugger Wot thuh Not a lot of sympathy from us southerners I'm afraid. We are freezing out bits off here in Adelaide today with 9c at the moment and drizzling ice water. I have Oxfords fitted to my ST1300 and only notice a difference in temps when my grip is different from left to right. I suspect a looser grip on the left and a firm grip on the throttle may explain a different feel from one side to the other. I used no adhesive of any kind, and both sides are a firm fit with no slipping. Could not live without my heated grips.
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Well you've nearly convinced me to have a look at a set. I've been considering them for a while but loose interest during the summer as the issue is quite the opposite. Coming into winter soon so I am thinking that heated grips might be very attractive during the colder months.
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I've been considering them for a while but loose interest during the summer...........
We turn 'em off during the summer, and thus they are OK for all year around. :rofl :rofl
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Boy those people in SA are book smart or what... :fp :fp :fp
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Sorry guys, Honda OEM heated grips are the way to go, a bit more expensive, but both sides the same temp, 4 settings and rarely ever need to set higher than on number 2 setting, on number 3 setting the palms of your hands start to feel too hot (burn) even on the coldest day. Very neat, easy to reach control panel. Coat handles with Honda hand grip glue and spray inside of grips, and handles with Isopropyl, slide grips easily over handles and jiggle into desired position. Isopropyl evaporates wiithin about 30 seconds of sliding them on, and glue sets the handgrips in position. Easypezzy! :thumbsup
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Sorry guys, Honda OEM heated grips are the way to go
Didn't even know they made them otherwise I would probably have gone down that path. I was under the impression that all the UK Police bikes were fitted with Oxfords. Seems rather strange they didn't just order them from Honda.
Any idea on cost?
A.
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Sorry guys, Honda OEM heated grips are the way to go
Didn't even know they made them otherwise I would probably have gone down that path. I was under the impression that all the UK Police bikes were fitted with Oxfords. Seems rather strange they didn't just order them from Honda.
Any idea on cost?
A.
I didn't think Honda made them any more.
Three of us in Perth have got a brand called CLS. From Motorad Garage. German made. Set and forget.
https://www.motorradgarage.com.au/cls (https://www.motorradgarage.com.au/cls)
:blu13
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Actually it seems Honda still do except for models NT700, ST1100, ST1300, VFR1200, NSA700 and all models of 125cc or lower.
That makes us special, however in not a good way.
A
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As far as I know they're still available. Like most Honda OEM items they're cheaper to bring in from the USA, I'll try and locate where I brought them from and how much they cost and post it later. The photos below show the control panel and where it's located, plus the grip. I have them connected through my Quartet Harness and they will only operate while the motor is running! :grin
(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd514/04couch/IMG_2567.jpg) (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/04couch/media/IMG_2567.jpg.html)
(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd514/04couch/IMG_2570.jpg) (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/04couch/media/IMG_2570.jpg.html)
(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd514/04couch/IMG_2568.jpg) (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/04couch/media/IMG_2568.jpg.html)
(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd514/04couch/IMG_2575.jpg) (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/04couch/media/IMG_2575.jpg.html)
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I purchased them from Honda East Toledo in Ohio, USA on 19/8/2011 and they cost $170.99 delivered to me in Tasmania. I just checked their web site and they're still available, cost is now $$175.00 + shipping $79.00. They've gone up a little in price since I brought them, but with the dollar value I guess that's to be expected. Like all Honda products the quality is excellent! :grin
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OK thanks, so can you link to the web site you found them on?
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Oh, just thought back to my grips. I use a throttle lock which fits between the switch box and grip so I had to trim about 5 mm off the end of my grips, I wonder if doing this might damage the heating pads inside the grips. If I don't trim up the grips the throttle binds and is sticks.
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Good point about only operating when the motor is running. I didn't realise until too late that my Oxford grips were wired directly to the battery and the obvious happened.
I am yet to put a relay in but will do before it gets too cold.
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Not cheap at $275.00
I didn't think Honda made them any more.
Three of us in Perth have got a brand called CLS. From Motorad Garage. German made. Set and forget.
https://www.motorradgarage.com.au/cls (https://www.motorradgarage.com.au/cls)
:blu13
Works a treat no problems with
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I just picked up a new set of OXFORD PREMIUM TOURING HEATED GRIPS today (they fit the ST1100 and ST1300) :runyay
This is the new version that doesn't require relays and has a auto shutdown if the bike isn't running :thumbsup
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAwWDUwMA==/z/DjIAAOxyyrRR8zle/$T2eC16RHJH8FHQw%29SFnPBR8zldeL0g~~60_12.JPG)
It cost me only $114 from "Motorcycle Tyre Warehouse" located at "Unit 2, 48 Kremzow Road, BRISBANE QLD 4500. (Ph: 1800 MC TYRES)"
They also sell them on eBay OXFORD PREMIUM TOURING HEATED GRIPS (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/OXFORD-PREMIUM-TOURING-HEATED-GRIPS-HANDLE-BAR-MOTORCYCLE-WINTER-GLOVES-/181184238281?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a2f6c12c9#shpCntId) for the same price plus $12.50 postage.
Cheers
Shiney
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I just picked up a new set of OXFORD PREMIUM TOURING HEATED GRIPS today .......
It cost me only $114 from "Motorcycle Tyre Warehouse" located at "Unit 2, 48 Kremzow Road, BRISBANE QLD 4500. (Ph: 1800 MC TYRES)"
Shyte, that's cheap. Mine cost me $18,000, but I did get a brand new, shiney black ST1300 with them.
:runyay
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Wow Is that how much ST's were new? I thought they would be more than that. They hold their value well then.
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They were more than that!! $18,000 was the give away price when Honda retailers were informed to sell off their stock as no more would be available.
They were originally around $24,000+ depending on your location. I was actually quoted over $26,000 in Hobart at one stage when I was enquiring about four years ago. :eek
Wow Is that how much ST's were new? I thought they would be more than that. They hold their value well then.
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That's a good price Shiney and I'm sure they'll do everything you want them to, but the Honda Grips control fits flush and very neatly into (below) the left side lockable pocket, and for all accounts looks like it's original equipment, you'd never know it's an add on. I'm sure that doesn't bother most people but I sort of like the neatness of it. :grin
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I didn't think Honda made them any more.
Three of us in Perth have got a brand called CLS. From Motorad Garage. German made. Set and forget.
https://www.motorradgarage.com.au/cls (https://www.motorradgarage.com.au/cls)
:blu13
Works a treat no problems with
I had two sets of Oxford heated grips and they kept shitting themselves.
I've learnt that price sometimes is not the main consideration.
You get what you pay for!
:blu13
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They say the issues with the old grips has been fixed with the new design:
http://www.oxprod.com/index.php?pg=198 (http://www.oxprod.com/index.php?pg=198)
So far the consensus is that they appear to be doing well :thumbsup but time will tell >:()
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I'm happy with mine, but they don't get much of a workout here in Sunny Qld.
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As far as I know they're still available. Like most Honda OEM items they're cheaper to bring in from the USA, I'll try and locate where I brought them from and how much they cost and post it later. The photos below show the control panel and where it's located, plus the grip. I have them connected through my Quartet Harness and they will only operate while the motor is running! :grin
([url]http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd514/04couch/IMG_2567.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/04couch/media/IMG_2567.jpg.html[/url])
([url]http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd514/04couch/IMG_2570.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/04couch/media/IMG_2570.jpg.html[/url])
([url]http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd514/04couch/IMG_2568.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/04couch/media/IMG_2568.jpg.html[/url])
([url]http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd514/04couch/IMG_2575.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/04couch/media/IMG_2575.jpg.html[/url])
greets fotos :thumbsup :thumbs :clap :rockon :hatwave
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I purchased them from Honda East Toledo in Ohio, USA on 19/8/2011 and they cost $170.99 delivered to me in Tasmania. I just checked their web site and they're still available, cost is now $$175.00 + shipping $79.00. They've gone up a little in price since I brought them, but with the dollar value I guess that's to be expected. Like all Honda products the quality is excellent! :grin
Hi Couch, I checked the Honda East Toledo web site and it says that 08T50-MCS-100 Heated Grips (with Thermostat) are not available.
I ordered OEM heated grips 08V70-MCS-100 for my 2012 ST1300 from MRCycles in North Carolina in July 2013 - shown as available on their web site. After two months of not being shipped due to non-availability got my money back.
After much searching, I have not been able to find OEM heated grips anywhere! Most sites now say obsolete or not available - not sure why they continue to show them on their web sites?
Can you please confirm the link to the Honda East Toledo web page showing them as available.
Many thanks,
Marty
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Don't fret if you can't get them. The Oxfords are excellent and cheaper.
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Oxford on my old 1100 and same on my new 1300 i guess Im happy with them :like
Turtle