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Metalgear brake pads
« on: March 02, 2016, 02:27:52 PM »
 :blu13 As you may remember i did a "How to" regarding metalgear brake pads. That was at 178,757 k. the bike has now done 181,000 and  Wot thuh :eek went to wash the bike and generally check it over. and surprise surprise NO pads left AGAIN, after 2,243k AND I DON'T RIDE HARD OR FAST?????





I have called metalgear, the GIRL is talking to her manager and will call back?? :whistle :well

I have a question? "are front pads different in thickness than the rear??
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2016, 03:11:37 PM »
According to metal gear the pads are the same front and rear for up to year 2007. http://metalgear.com.au/view_model_details.php?model_id=4256
From 2008 the front pads change and the rear stays the same. http://metalgear.com.au/view_model_details.php?model_id=11392

The 1300 front pads carried over from the 1100A but the 1100 has a thicker rear pad http://metalgear.com.au/view_model_details.php?model_id=4253

I checked Partzilla and I find the 1300 rear has a different part number to the front so quite likely the rear also is supposed to have a thicker pad as well.

It's quite possible the 1100 and early 1300 OEM pads are identical but made by a different part supplier hence the part number change (common practice).

Even with the front pad in the rear it shouldn't wear that quick

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1100 meaning 1100A from 1996 (1100AT) and newer
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 03:35:00 PM by alans1100 »
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2016, 03:15:18 PM »
 :think1 My thoughts exactly, no more metalgear for Me  :||||
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2016, 03:25:55 PM »
:think1 My thoughts exactly, no more metalgear for Me  :||||

 I had the same problem on my VN900 pads went to bare metal and scored my disc after 1500Ks metalgear tried to get out of honoring the warranty so now I don't deal with them I'd rather pay a bit more and get quality.
 
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2016, 05:28:10 PM »
Lots of us use Metalgear with no problems at all.
You need to check your brake system out especially check for rear brake drag. Check that the rear calliper is not over heating. Try it after a short ride with few brake applications or put her up on the centre stand and rotate the rear wheel, it should spin fairly easily.
Mine was running around 50 degrees hotter then the front, had to overhaul the calliper. 
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2016, 05:50:14 PM »
Lots of us use Metalgear with no problems at all.
You need to check your brake system out especially check for rear brake drag. Check that the rear calliper is not over heating. Try it after a short ride with few brake applications or put her up on the centre stand and rotate the rear wheel, it should spin fairly easily.
Mine was running around 50 degrees hotter then the front, had to overhaul the calliper.


Well problem solved after visiting metalgear,  brendale, the owner gave me 2 bigger sizes to try, free of charge just bring back the ones that I don't use. And free replacement of the right ones. THANKS metalgear. Will change tomorrow after checking caliper  :like :like
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2016, 06:02:02 PM »
My pads were put on by my local bike mechanic so everything was checked before I picked up the bike when he looked at the backing plates after the 1500Ks he said it looked like the pad material hadn't been adhered to the backing plate properly and had fallen off.
 
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2016, 06:05:33 PM »
Thanks will check that also and put up some pics
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2016, 06:25:00 PM »
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STranger has been using 'METALGEAR' pads for the laST 8 1/2 yrs with out issue I checked the pads juST yeSTerday and there is appx 50% on them and I truST they should laST the trip to Perth and home.  :thumb
 :think1 I should have lQQked at the front pads but they STopped me the laST time I used them,,  :grin
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2016, 08:30:10 PM »
I too have been using metal gear for years on the 1100.

On the (2002/03) bike, the front pads are much thinner than the rear, however the front pads do fit in the rear brakes.
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2016, 08:33:06 PM »
Yes, Mr Brock they gave me 2 different sizes to try, will send pics tomorrow in case anyone wants to try them
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2016, 10:09:19 PM »
According to metal gear the pads are the same front and rear for up to year 2007. http://metalgear.com.au/view_model_details.php?model_id=4256
From 2008 the front pads change and the rear stays the same. http://metalgear.com.au/view_model_details.php?model_id=11392

The 1300 front pads carried over from the 1100A but the 1100 has a thicker rear pad http://metalgear.com.au/view_model_details.php?model_id=4253

I checked Partzilla and I find the 1300 rear has a different part number to the front so quite likely the rear also is supposed to have a thicker pad as well.

It's quite possible the 1100 and early 1300 OEM pads are identical but made by a different part supplier hence the part number change (common practice).

Even with the front pad in the rear it shouldn't wear that quick

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1100 meaning 1100A from 1996 (1100AT) and newer


 :blu13 Thanks Allan, spoke to the owner at Brendale metalgear, he said try these 2 different sizes, keep the best fit and return the others, there is a little confusion, because there specs on their site give the very thin pads,whereas these 2 will fit if the is no backing plate (which mine doesn't have)  :law So tomorrow will do it all again and see which is best  :thumbs :thumbsup  :blu13left
These ones are 10 whatever



these are 8.something



the 2 side by side. btw the 30 145 s is on left...30 317 s is on right



will let you know tomorrow which is the best fit  >:() :whistle ;-* :grin :grin

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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2016, 10:13:20 PM »
Lots of us use Metalgear with no problems at all.
You need to check your brake system out especially check for rear brake drag. Check that the rear calliper is not over heating. Try it after a short ride with few brake applications or put her up on the centre stand and rotate the rear wheel, it should spin fairly easily.
Mine was running around 50 degrees hotter then the front, had to overhaul the calliper.

 :blu13 @ HONK,yes mate checked all that when last put new ones in rear wheel rotation was free and easy :thumbs :thumbsup please check my updates :like
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2016, 10:29:03 PM »

 :blu13 Thanks Allan, spoke to the owner at Brendale metalgear, he said try these 2 different sizes, keep the best fit and return the others, there is a little confusion, because there specs on their site give the very thin pads,whereas these 2 will fit if the is no backing plate (which mine doesn't have)  :law So tomorrow will do it all again and see which is best  :thumbs :thumbsup  :blu13left

Until my last pad change all but one set were OEM and on the last change over I went to ceramic pads see here http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=7599.msg87290#msg87290

The OEM pads used the backing plate but with the aftermarket ones I left them out; maybe pads were a little thicker - no issue with them since fitting 21,000 km ago.
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2016, 10:42:18 PM »

 :blu13 Thanks Allan, spoke to the owner at Brendale metalgear, he said try these 2 different sizes, keep the best fit and return the others, there is a little confusion, because there specs on their site give the very thin pads,whereas these 2 will fit if the is no backing plate (which mine doesn't have)  :law So tomorrow will do it all again and see which is best  :thumbs :thumbsup  :blu13left

Until my last pad change all but one set were OEM and on the last change over I went to ceramic pads see here http://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=7599.msg87290#msg87290

The OEM pads used the backing plate but with the aftermarket ones I left them out; maybe pads were a little thicker - no issue with them since fitting 21,000 km ago.


thanks mate, i will check which ones are best tomorrow, and MAYBE when i have a JOB i can afford better things for my blue beast :grin :grin :grin
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2016, 07:39:58 PM »
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STranger has been using 'METALGEAR' pads for the laST 8 1/2 yrs with out issue I checked the pads juST yeSTerday and there is appx 50% on them and I truST they should laST the trip to Perth and home.  :thumb
 :think1 I should have lQQked at the front pads but they STopped me the laST time I used them,,  :grin

 :blu13 Whats the pad part number you get for yours I'm now using 30 145 S, will see how they go then, might try 30 317 S when this lot wear out  :think1 ;-* :blu13left
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Re: Metalgear brake pads and a new "how to"
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2016, 09:23:54 PM »

REDO OF PREVIOUS "HOW TO"

 :blu13 first and obvious
Remove left pannier




Remove black plastic cap


Unscrew Allen head bolt




Remove inside pad first by using suitable wedge to push back pistons




replace inside pad, then outside pad, then replace Allen head bolt




tighten bolt


Replace black plastic cap, replace left pannier. Spin Rear wheel to make sure spins freely, GO FOR A TEST RIDE  :grin :thumbs

PADS I AM USING THIS  TIME (part number) 30 145 S from MeatalGear :blu13left

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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2016, 10:34:11 PM »
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STranger has been using 'METALGEAR' pads for the laST 8 1/2 yrs with out issue I checked the pads juST yeSTerday and there is appx 50% on them and I truST they should laST the trip to Perth and home.  :thumb
 :think1 I should have lQQked at the front pads but they STopped me the laST time I used them,,  :grin
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 :blu13 Whats the pad part number you get for yours I'm now using 30 145 S, will see how they go then, might try 30 317 S when this lot wear out  :think1 ;-* :blu13left
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ummmm I threw out the packaging but I think I poSTed up in the 1100 section somewhere..
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Re: Metalgear brake pads
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2018, 10:00:16 PM »
While the wheel was off yesterday for the angled valve stem drama we noted the front pads were nearing their wear limit.
Today I looked up the part number for Metalgear front pads (30-190-S) (where "S" = sintered) and noted they come with a 0.7mm shim.  On previous fitments I found that the pads wouldn't fit with the shim and removed it.  Today I saw a note that if the shim wasn't required, use 30-374-S.  So I've now got two sets of them to fit tomorrow.  And it gets better!!   :grin   :thumbs
The front sintered shimmed ones are $39.95 per set.  The shimless ones are $34.50.  Buy two comes to $69.00.  Deduct the OZSTOC discount and I'm "go" (or is that "stop"?) for $62.10.  It's 4.5km from my place to their Brendale warehouse so I got a little ride in as well.  Lots of wins in that lot!   :runyay
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