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The new ST1300 replacement - with pics....
« on: March 21, 2012, 09:14:32 AM »
An older article now - but for those who have missed it - this baby should keep the FJR1300 and the GTR1400 REAL honest!....





Here is a link to the article....


http://dalefranks.com/cycles/index.php/tag/st1300/

You gettin one?

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 10:39:50 PM »
I noted with enthusiasm the 2012 VFR1200 has a bigger tank.
So it appears that Mr Honda is listening.
Could we have a rival for the STeed.
Yep the tank has an extra 400mL  :fp
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Re: The new ST1300 replacement - with pics....
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2012, 11:17:08 PM »
A few of us are on this forum http://ww2.my-mc.com/index as well and just looking down the index of bikes the ST1100 would have the stongest following based on the number of posts and topics with 1300 an easy second place.


If the 1300 couldn't sway 1100 owners to upgrade their bikes (some did, but most didn't) the new 1200 in it's current form certainly won't.

 

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Re: The new ST1300 replacement - with pics....
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2012, 11:41:06 AM »
The '12 version has been upgraded and up-spec'd - read about it here....

http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/2012-honda-vfr-1200-f-peview


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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2012, 02:49:48 PM »
The VFR1200 is a whole new ballgame compared to the ST13. Having now ridden both, a VFR1200 that is not detuned, has a bigger fuel tank and all the other good ST bits that others now have (integrated cruise, ABS, traction control etc) would be great, at a competitive price.  The VFR1200 is detuned in the lower gears so that needs to go.
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Re: The new ST1300 replacement - with pics....
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2012, 10:04:19 PM »
Finally!!  The digital readout is legible in sunlight.  Why didn't they start using LCD years ago??

Have to agree I hate the muffler's appearance.

I can't see how it could replace the Tourer part of Sports Tourer unless there's a lot of baggage that can be hung on that skinny ass.

Sounds like the gear change system would require a bit of familiarisation.

Integrated Cruise Control and gear position indicator.  Nice to have.
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2012, 10:16:27 PM »
127kW - hmmmm! That's a lot better than our paltry 125hp!

That even beats the 110kW of my Blackbird. :crazy
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« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2012, 10:24:24 PM »
On my way to pick up the Friday fish and chips tonight and the Plodmobile Portrait maker was still out where I saw him 3 hours earlier.  There's a campaign afoot, because I think I've seen more radar-revenue-raisers in the past week than in the past 3 months.  And it's not just because I'm still stinging from my interview with Plod.

Ooops, that's a  :hijacked

But it comes to mind because I'm wondering what I could possibly use more horses for!!   :eek
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2012, 05:36:00 AM »
now now BGL's
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Re: The new ST1300 replacement - with pics....
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2012, 10:01:14 AM »
Well..... with this as the only Honda option for the next Sports Tourer.......




...reckon I might be changing brands. With an 18.2L fuel tank - you don't even get 300km out of a tank!

It still looks like you could spend >$5K in farkles and 'Long Distance' comforts, and although linked brakes an ABS are standard - the inclusions are not on par with the GTR1400 - let alone the Beemer. But Honda does offer an automatic!

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2012, 10:21:02 AM »
Perhaps wait until the covers come off  http://powersports.honda.com/

Supposedly new/current models for the Milan show.  They might introduce something decent  :wht11
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Re: The new ST1300 replacement - with pics....
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2012, 03:04:22 PM »
I can't understand the reasoning behind a V4 being mounted transversally on a bike as it means two 90 degree gear sets in the drive line rather than just the one like the one we have in the 1100, 1300 and 'wing. Also having exhaust on one side makes the bike look unbalanced and that's aside from the overall ugliness of it.

My 1100 though dated would never be replaced with that. Though if had the cash to give my bike a make-over that motor and 6 speed dual clutch box would be something to consider.
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2012, 03:58:10 PM »
I would be quite happy to dabble in fitting an EFI system, except it seems like there is nothing that bolts in or is close enough.  Anyway, I would prefer stronger front brakes first.
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2012, 05:17:54 PM »
...I would prefer stronger front brakes first.
The VFR1200 certainly has that. 1st application of brakes in my test ride nearly had me going over the handle bars.... scared the crap out of me  :o
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2012, 05:21:06 PM »
I can't understand the reasoning behind a V4 being mounted transversally on a bike ...
The design has cylinders 2 & 3 between the legs, and 1 & 4 towards the front - this makes the bike quite narrow (better in traffice, peg scraping, etc.). Given the total abundance of power in the thing, I guess they felt a few horses lost through the linkage wouldn't matter.
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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2012, 07:39:50 AM »
I've ridden a quite few of them and service a couple of them.  They are really a nice bike BUT, they are not selling.  They were very overpriced when released, so much so, Honda are now giving discounts of $4000 to $5000 per bike.  Looks - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some think they are nice some think revolting, that's human nature.  Performance - Great.  Problem with manufacturs now is, they build a one vehicle platform, then adapt it to suit differing markets.  Car manufacturers do it, now bikes manufacturers.  The VFR1200 one of those, in one version it is a quasi sports bike, come commuter, come tourer.  One bike, many versions, The way of the future I'm afraid because of costs in development.

The ST1300 was always what it is, no cross purposes or different versions.

The VFR1200 is quite simple to service, shims on inlet valves and manual old fashion (non shim) on exhaust.  Anyway my 2c worth.
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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2012, 10:15:13 AM »
I've ridden a quite few of them and service a couple of them.  They are really a nice bike BUT, they are not selling.  They were very overpriced when released, so much so, Honda are now giving discounts of $4000 to $5000 per bike.  Looks - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some thing they are nice some think revolting, that human nature.  Performance - Great.  Problem with manufacturs now is the build a one vehicle platform then adapt it to suit differing markets.  Car manufacturers do it, now bikes.  The VFR1200 in one version is a quasi sports bike, come commuter come tourer.  The ST1300 was always what it is, no cross purpose or different versions.

The VFR1200 is quite simple to service, shims on inlet valveds and manual old fashion (non shim) on exhaust.  Anyway my 2c worth.

Excellent insight.  Good to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about AND can see bikes from our perspective.

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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2012, 03:28:31 PM »
Sounds like an ST. Muffler looks like crap.

I do like the side sided swing arm/ shaft drive.

The ST is truly safe from any competition.

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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2012, 03:48:59 PM »

Agree with this assessment.  I have ridden the VFR1200 and the X version.  They did not really do much for me, apart from realising how great the weather protection of the ST is.  Interesting about the servicing, as I wondered about how the motocross derived valve train would be serviced.

The BMW1600 is expensive in the Goldwing territory, but the Triumph Trophy will be ST13/FJR/.GTR price wise with all the extras as standard.  (check out the NEWS section here http://www.mcnews.com.au/ as the price is around $26K)  FJR also has had a decent makeover http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/yamaha/2013-yamaha-fjr1300a-review-91462.html

Honda need to do something.  I think I will need to try the FJR and Trophy before even considering a leap to the Goldwing one day.

I've ridden a quite few of them and service a couple of them.  They are really a nice bike BUT, they are not selling.  They were very overpriced when released, so much so, Honda are now giving discounts of $4000 to $5000 per bike.  Looks - Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, some think they are nice some think revolting, that's human nature.  Performance - Great.  Problem with manufacturs now is, they build a one vehicle platform, then adapt it to suit differing markets.  Car manufacturers do it, now bikes manufacturers.  The VFR1200 one of those, in one version it is a quasi sports bike, come commuter, come tourer.  One bike, many versions, The way of the future I'm afraid because of costs in development.

The ST1300 was always what it is, no cross purposes or different versions.

The VFR1200 is quite simple to service, shims on inlet valves and manual old fashion (non shim) on exhaust.  Anyway my 2c worth.
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2012, 05:48:57 PM »
I like the Triumph small write up from an ordinary biker not me not a journo but a ST1300 rider:-


 As a result of some previous contacts, I got invited to the Triumph factory in Hinkley, Leicestershire, on Friday 12th October to try-out a pre-production version of the new Triumph Trophy. I was told I was the first member of the general public to ride this bike as it has only been ridden by factory personnel, plus trade and press representatives thus far. This model is aimed fair and square at the touring market, and has in its sights competitive models such as BMW R1200GT and BMW K1600 as well of course as the Honda Pan European.
 
My first impressions have been as follows:
ENGINE: Not as smooth as the Pan, but pulls well and will rev as far as 10,000rpm, so there is more rev range to play with through the corners. However it is not quite as torquey as the ST1300, but probably similar to the ST1100.
GEARBOX: Six-speed. Very good. I don't think I missed a single gear.
RIDING POSITION/SEAT. Similar to an ST1300 with handlebar risers. The seat is flatter and more comfortable than a standard ST1300.
WIND PROTECTION: Very good for the rider. Not tested as a pillion.
MIRRORS: Similar to the ST1300 standard, which means you do get a bit of a view of hands and bar levers.
PANNIERS/TOP BOX: Extra power sockets in front fairing pocket and top-box look useful.
AUDIO: In-built speakers are not to my taste. Do I really want to ride around like a mobile discotheque? I think fitting an Autocom unit to this bike would be essential so you can hard-wire sat-nav, helmet speakers, etc. and not worry about the vagaries of blue-tooth and having to charge-up head-set batteries.
ELECTRONICS: Loads of stuff including radio, and all sorts of options for displaying trip information/mileage/fuel consumption as well as gear position, tyre pressure, digital speed and air temperature. I didn't get to try the cruise control.
CONTROLS/RIDE-BY-WIRE: This bike has a ride-by-wire throttle. However I don't think you would know that unless told. Fuelling seemed very smooth at low throttle openings for manoeuvring in car parks and at junctions. The rest of the controls, including hydraulic clutch, seemed to work well.
HANDLING: The bike went where I pointed it with no surprises. I left it in 'normal' damping mode which can be varied whilst riding. The Pirelli ST Angel tyres seem to suit the bike very well.
 
All-in-all I think Triumph have made a very good first attempt at creating a dedicated shaft-driven tourer. Fuel capacity and economy seem to be about right and I am certain Triumph are going to do well with this bike. Honda had better look-out!
 
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Dropping the bike was discussed. The bike doesn't have the tip-over wings like a Pan which I think is a shame as the bike is very good in so many other areas.The frame on the Triumph is just 11kgs, and instead the engine is used as part of the frame. Adding the extra metalwork for side crashbars has been viewed as not so desirable for weight reasons. A French jounalist who dropped the bike at a standstill did some minor damage, but (I am told) the fairing did well at taking the strain and bounced right back into shape. The tips of the mirror pods CAN be replaced and the panniers are double-skinned and (I think) the outer skin which has the paint can be replaced.   
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2012, 05:54:42 PM »
Honda need to do something.  I think I will need to try the FJR and Trophy before even considering a leap to the Goldwing one day.

They are both very impressive advances in technology, that's for sure.  The FJR has got all the goods, including the electric screen.  I'd probably go with it rather than the Triumph just because it comes from a solid lineage of FJRs.

The Goldwing is in a different class.  It moves away from the sport aspect towards the comfort touring mode.  But it still hasn't quite got the refinement in equipment the new FJR boasts.
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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2012, 07:32:05 PM »
Having ridden the Goldwing I don't think it is that different a class.  It is bigger and heavier but I did not feel I would go any slower on it that the ST in the riding I would do.  I rode the older GTR and it felt fine, but it was just another inline 4 (having had one since 1980) The V4 just feels and behaves differently and I like it - personal preference.  In the next 100,000kms I might think about something else, but I am not exactly desperate.
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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2012, 07:28:58 PM »
Perhaps wait until the covers come off  http://powersports.honda.com/

Hurray, the covers are off.... but wait, the ST1300 is the same! Well, that's a surprise!

I especially like the colour "range".... at least I know my 2010 is a current model still.  :p
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« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2012, 07:34:47 PM »
If it ain't broken...... :runyay

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« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2012, 08:16:00 PM »
Interesting.  There are quite a few upgraded bikes in the same price bracket at the ST13, with a lot more gear added as standard.  Luckily I have an ST11 so no reason to have to decide anything as yet...but Honda had better do something in the next few years.
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