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ST1100 Coolant Leaks
« on: May 12, 2017, 09:08:33 PM »
I think I have nailed the sucker this time.
Things come in threes don’t they?
You may have seen my earlier posts chasing leaks on my ST1100.
Today I have confirmed definitely that the water pump is also leaking (leak No 3).
It took to spinning the engine on the starter motor while the radiator/coolant system was under pressure using a compression tester (can’t run the motor cos the carby’s are off the bike).
Quite a steady flow of water coming out the weep hole –water flow stops when the motor stops turning.
So, half way there to getting at removing the water pump.
Front end off the bike, timing belt exposed and you can see the water pump.
Time will tell it is difficult to remove.
I think the $400+ price tag for a new water pump will hurt more than the effort of removing it.

Also I have known for some time that the steering head bearings would not pass a roadworthy, so they will be replaced also while everything is apart.
Think I am gonna miss this month’s Vic RTE

MickS

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Re: ST1100 Coolant Leaks
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2017, 05:52:43 PM »
The water pump is off. The bearing is shot and the seal leaks.
As they are supposedly non reconditionable?? I guess I will have to look at importing an almost $500 gold plated one from the US - (must be gold plated for that price).
Seems a shame because the casing and impellor are as good as new.
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Re: ST1100 Coolant Leaks
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2017, 07:38:58 PM »
Thanks Brock, I saw that on Ebay. I am happy to go that way if I can find someone who can press apart the old bits and redo the new parts.
Do you know if it is a job that can be done by the local garage or a specialist somewhere?
 

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Re: ST1100 Coolant Leaks
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2017, 08:05:29 PM »

http://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Honda/Motorcycle/1999/ST1100A%20A/WATER%20PUMP/parts.html

About $US300 ($AUD406) for the pump and gasket delivered and about $472 (plus postage) to buy from a local dealer plus the elbows if you need them.

Elbows and hoses if you need them http://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Honda/Motorcycle/1999/ST1100A+A/WATER+PIPE/parts.html


 

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Re: ST1100 Coolant Leaks
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2017, 03:55:31 PM »
Thanks for the info Alan.

Just for the heck of it I thought I would check out Peter Stevens in Geelong.
Aud$417.75 for the water pump  and $11.10 for the O ring.
The prices seem comparable to doing it yourself online .

So for Aud$586 I have ordered:-
Waterpump, 2 O rings, Timing belt Idler roller and Timing belt tensioner roller.

I did not change the timing belt rollers when I replaced the timing belt 33000k's ago but I thought it prudent to do them now while everything is apart.
Umming and erring about replacing the timing belt. It is $200.

Supposedly take 1 month to arrive. Will give me time to pull apart the steering head and replace the bearings.
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Re: ST1100 Coolant Leaks
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2017, 06:18:19 PM »
Still havent done my timing bely yet, its only 166000 Ks
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Re: ST1100 Coolant Leaks
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 06:22:46 PM »
Still havent done my timing bely yet, its only 166000 Ks
Could be a rather expensive fix if not done.
 

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Re: ST1100 Coolant Leaks
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 06:26:59 PM »
What sucks is when you take out the old belt and compare it to a brand new one - cant tell the difference - but they say better than being sorry later on !!!!!
 

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Re: ST1100 Coolant Leaks
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 06:52:22 PM »
When I replaced the belt on mine I made sure I chucked the old one in the bin before I opened up the new one.
 

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Re: ST1100 Coolant Leaks
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2017, 03:38:11 PM »
Hello Mick et al...

Good to hear your getting on top of those pesky coolant leaks at last :thumb

Two Points...

1) the water pump.
The short answer is it can be rebuilt, the trick(s) are getting the correct parts...they are all out there, it's just a matter of perserverance in tracking them down, through places like Bursens, CBC, Repco etc. OK, trick one is most important. Before pressing off any of the components, is U preciseley measure distances of each of the components as they sit on the assembled impellor shaft.

The reason why Honda do not supply individual parts is because the assembled pumps are jigged prior to assembly. This is because it is critical for the seal preload pressure and both its position on the shaft and that of the bearing is essential to providing both a water-tight seal and ensuring the load bearing is in a nuetral position as possible as the whole assemble (as U know), is driven from the outside of the timing belt on the immediate driven side of the crankshaft. You will note, if U chose to dismantle the pump, the impellor shaft doesnt have set steps or lands whereby you can simply press on each component and know its in its correct position.

Trick 2 is when pressing the parts that compose the seal assembly is to get both the correct amount of spring pressure to ensure a water tight seal AND the remaining shaft is its correct position so that the bearing, once pressed on WITHOUT altering the work you have already done isnt messed up and the bearing is on the shaft in its correct position. Really, without a jig, the entire assembly is in the skill and feel of the person undertaking the task. So, the meassurements U take before and during dismantling the pump, become just guides for reassembly as the replacement parts will, in all liklihood be dimentional a little different.

So, the short answer is it can be done but it is technically challenging.

2) Timing belts.
The most important kilometer post is 100,000km and not 150,000km. At 100k the timing cover(s) should removed, the belt inspected (need not be removed), AND re-tensioned as per the OEM maintenance guide, which is on this web site. IF!, you tow a trailer or routinely ride hard and load heavy, I would reccommend U bring fwd this inspection to between 60-90k's.

What happens the fabric cords imbedded within the belt begin to fracture and break. Keeping the correct belt preload will reduce this, it will not prevent it.

I cut 5 timing belts in half to try an show people this, but was unsuccessful as the elasticity of the rubber held each belt to its standard length. But trust me, all ST1100 timing belts will fail, given enough time.

AJ, my neighbour is presently stripping down an 1100 for another project. It has a broken timing belt just where I expected it would fail...so when he gets the engine out, I will dismantle it step by step and I will show you just how much internal damage a snapped belt on these engines can do.

Now to pair the timing belt to the water pump. The more flailing an ill maintained / tensioned timing belt is under...the greater the likelihood this will be in shorting water pumps life as well.

Just a thought (pretty much all I can do at present),

Ciao the can:-)
 

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Re: ST1100 Coolant Leaks
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2017, 07:26:16 PM »


2) Timing belts.
The most important kilometer post is 100,000km and not 150,000km. At 100k the timing cover(s) should removed, the belt inspected (need not be removed), AND re-tensioned as per the OEM maintenance guide, which is on this web site. IF!, you tow a trailer or routinely ride hard and load heavy, I would reccommend U bring fwd this inspection to between 60-90k's.

Beg to differ

100,000 km for the inspection and replacement as stated in the owners manual is 150,000km but imperial figures rounded are 60,000 and 90,000 miles which easier to remember than 62,100 and 93150 miles.



The US manual puts the rounded metric figures as 96,000 and 144,000km or 60,000 and 90,000 miles



Nothing in the manual about re tensioning the belt at inspection



I would add that if you needed to remove the timing belt cover for any reason between the two distances quoted then the belt should be replaced sooner rather than later.

Not sure about the towing thing and replacing time belt but I find that I rarely get the RPMs above 3500 in any gear even when towing and riding two up.

 
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