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Re: Driving an electric car from Sydney to Melbourne / the Downsides of EVs
« Reply #425 on: November 14, 2025, 10:19:25 PM »
All good if they don’t catch on fire wouldn’t have one of these s.,?;t boxes
 

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Re: Driving an electric car from Sydney to Melbourne / the Downsides of EVs
« Reply #426 on: November 15, 2025, 08:04:09 AM »
All good if they don’t catch on fire wouldn’t have one of these s.,?;t boxes

Probably the words of many of our grandfathers and great grandfathers 100 years ago.
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Re: Driving an electric car from Sydney to Melbourne / the Downsides of EVs
« Reply #427 on: November 18, 2025, 01:06:55 PM »
All good if they don’t catch on fire wouldn’t have one of these s.,?;t boxes

Your choice... :wink1
Just a heads up though, the general consensus is that ice vehicles catch fire way more than EVs.
The main issue with EV fires is that when they do burn they are way harder to extinguish and can often reignite days or weeks later.  :popcorn

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Re: Driving an electric car from Sydney to Melbourne / the Downsides of EVs
« Reply #428 on: November 18, 2025, 01:15:54 PM »
EV 'charging deserts' in regional Australia are slowing shift to clean transport
By Hussein Dia
November 11 2025


If you live in a big city, finding a charger for your electric vehicle (EV) isn't hard. But drive a few hours in any direction and the story changes.

For most regional Australians, the nearest public charger is still a detour, not a stop on the way. And for anyone planning a long road trip, the
chargers along the route fade for hundreds of kilometres at a time.

A new interactive EV charging monitor I helped develop shows, for the first time, just how uneven the network really is. This map refreshes
daily, pulling live information from the Open Charge Map database and plotting every public charger in the database across the nation.

When we overlay those chargers with population data, a clear pattern emerges: we've built a strong urban network, but a patchy national one.
Only about a third of Australia's towns have a charger within 20 kilometres. Zoom in closer and the gap widens: more than two-thirds of towns
have no charger within 5 kilometres.

Looks good on paper

Nationally, most Australians live close to a charger. By population, about 88% of people are within 5 kilometres of one, 93% within 10 kilometres,
and 97% within 20 kilometres.

On paper, coverage looks good. But look at it from the town's point of view, and the picture flips: most places still lack a charger, even if most
people don't.

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Re: Driving an electric car from Sydney to Melbourne / the Downsides of EVs
« Reply #429 on: November 18, 2025, 02:46:05 PM »
With all reports Tesla is testing 2 new battery's a Aluminium & a sodium which are a lot safer than the lithium
So when that happens I may be interested but until then I will stick to my petrol VW T cross as it usually gets between 4& 5 litre per 100km
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« Reply #430 on: November 18, 2025, 08:09:31 PM »
I wouldn't hold your breath, Leo...

All these social media reports & Youtube videos regarding Tesla and these new batteries would appear to be nothing more than clickbait and wishful thinking.

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Re: Driving an electric car from Sydney to Melbourne / the Downsides of EVs
« Reply #431 on: November 18, 2025, 10:53:19 PM »
With all reports Tesla is testing 2 new battery's a Aluminium & a sodium which are a lot safer than the lithium
So when that happens I may be interested but until then I will stick to my petrol VW T cross as it usually gets between 4& 5 litre per 100km

Our Corolla hybrid often gets less than 4 litres/100km.  Better than my ST1300 by a litre.
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« Reply #432 on: November 19, 2025, 11:29:21 AM »
Our Corolla hybrid often gets less than 4 litres/100km.  Better than my ST1300 by a litre.

Better than my ST1300 by around 1.5 litres.  The CFMoto CLX 700 is good for around 4.5 on a highway run.
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« Reply #433 on: November 19, 2025, 03:19:58 PM »
And this was our rental Hyundai Sonata in the US back in 2017.



Equates to 4.04 l/100km.
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« Reply #434 on: November 19, 2025, 05:33:17 PM »
Down hill with a tail wind?  :whistle

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« Reply #435 on: December 06, 2025, 09:16:22 PM »
On the 8th Nov 2025, I headed off from home (north of Brisbane) at 3:30 on the morning on a big drive I'm my 2022 model Y RWD with almost 80,000 km on the clock.

The main objectives were to get to Adelaide to see my brother, then Melbourne to stay with WendyL and Brokester,  and go to the inaugral Everything Electric show in Melbourne. Then the plan was to come home via Lakes Entrance, Bega, then home.

The car has Enhanced Autopilot, so on the  motorways and highways it will navigate on Autopilot. This makes the driving very relaxing.

1st stop to charge was at Knockrow Castle, 17 minutes and Zeus had gobbled up 29 kWh, which was heaps to get me to Coffs Harbour. $15.



The next stop was at Moonee Beach Hotel  and that took 38 kWh in 21 minutes. $19.72




Soon, it was time to stop for lunch and a charge at Kew, 24 kWh in 12 minutes, quicker than I could have lunch. $22.53.
 

Next stop was at Raymond Terrace and another quick charge. 40 kWh in 25 minutes while I walked to the hotel, went to the loo and grabbed a drink and cashews. $20.98.

Arriving at 2:40 pm, (816 km) the next stop was overnight at my mate's new place which has a destination charger. 17 kWh while we went to the pub and did karaoke and met up with his kids and grandkid.




Day 2: 9 Nov, 7 am on the Sunday, I departed heading for Wodonga.

Stop 1 was the Catholic Club 13 kWh, 6 minutes, $6.54.

Stop 2 was the Big Ram at Goulburn, 36 kWh in 19 minutes while I went to the loo and got breakfast. $19.14.

I had to get this photo.


Stop 3 was the Beehive Hotel, Coolac (closed) 28 kWh, 13 minutes, $14.83.



Stop 4 was the Econolodge at Wondonga with unlimited charging for $12.50. 53 kWh in 4 hours 42 minutes.




Day 3: I left with a full battery at 4 °C at 3:30 am.

1st stop was Euroa 22 kWh in 13 minutes, $11.64



2nd stop was at Kennington Vic, 38 kWh in 32 minutes, $15.47. Toilet and coffee break.





I stopped for breakfast at St Arnaud.


I saw this when the car has more range than my bladder.


3rd Stop was Nhill 45 kWh, 28 minutes, $11.64 while I walked to the loo which has piped classical music, talked to a local about the town name pronunciation, cleaned the bugs off the windscreen.

On the way to Nhill at Murra Warra I saw a big wind farm. All I could hear was the wind whistling past my ears.






Next stop was Keith for a quick stop to make to Tailem Bend OTR, 6 minutes, 11 kWh, $6.10. I probably didn't need this stop.



Then at OTR Motorsport Park, 28 kWh, 14 minutes, $14.60.




I arrived at my Brother's place and caught up with them before they headed off to Wagga Wagga to watch their daughter graduate from recruit training for the Air Force.

We went to the Oak and Iron Tavern for dinner.


As Debbie also has an EV, I got another free overnight charge.

On Tuesday the morning I had breakfast with Stinky Pete and Chris before heading back to OTR for another quick charge whilst getting a coffee and a wee walk.



After another charge at Nhill, 43 kWh, 25 minutes, $22.05, it was time to play tourist, so I stopped at the Pink Lake, and Hollow Mountain/Zero mountain, before stopping at Ararat Caravan Park, for the night including free charging.











After a good night's sleep, and with a full battery I left Ararat with plans to poke around Ballarat, have lunch at Daylesford and then head to WendyL and Brokester's place.

A quick charge at Ballarat whilst I got coffee 18 kWh, 27 minutes, $8.08.

I drove into Central Ballarat for breakfast at The Pancake Kitchen, whilst I watched the live stream of my Niece's march out parade.

Then I drove to the Botanic Gardens, watched the formal graduation certificates and speeches on the screen of the car, with the sound system providing great audio.

Then I took a leisurely walk thorough the very beautiful Gardens, met a lady with a small infant, who also has an EV, and was in awesome of some of the very tall trees.













After wearing out my legs, it was time to detour through Daylesford to find a lunch stop and look at The Block houses location. The Block houses didn't look to be in a good location right beside a very busy road, and across from what looks to be more developments up the hill.




Next stop was Wendy's place for a few nights.

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« Reply #436 on: December 06, 2025, 09:26:16 PM »
The next few days were spent at Everything Electric show, where I met and chatted to Robert Llewellyn from Red Dwarf (Kryton), Scrapheap Challenge, the Fully Charged show in YouTube, and the Everything Electric YouTube shows.

I got to see a lot of new to Australia EVs, including escooters, ebikes, EV scooters, EV Motorcycles, cars, vans, buses, and body trucks, and prime movers,Home solar and battery systems, solar carports, EV chargers from home to MegaWatt truck chargers, and a lot more.

Me with Robert Llewellyn after we'd had a chat for several minutes.



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« Reply #437 on: December 06, 2025, 10:10:14 PM »
Sunday morning 17 Nov, I headed off to catch up with my Niece before heading to Lakes Entrance for the night.

Only charge stop was at Bairnsdale, 32 kWh, 16 minutes, $16.19, while I grabbed a snack and toilet break.

The overnight accommodation didn't have any chargers, and was very quiet. Only one other customer diving a vintage car.



Monday 18 November I decided on Ulladulla as my next overnight stay, and charged at Cann River while I went for a wee walk and leg stretch. I was impressed to see a sign near the chargers showing the history of electric vehicles.






I stopped in at Eden for breakfast at a Cafe, and looked around the place.





Then it was on to Narooma to charge.
24 kWh, 13 minutes, $13.09, whilst I bought a snack from a cafe with the same name as my granddaughter.



Then it was onto the Mollymook Ocean View motel with included destination charging. 43 kWh in 4 hours.



The views were great in the even and in the morning.






Tuesday 19 Nov it was off towards Port Macquarie for the next overnight stay, and the last before home.

First charge stop was Bankstown after taking a detour to look at our old married quarter in Wattle Grove. 17 kWh, 9 minutes, $6.50.

2nd charge stop was Heatherbrae, to catch up with a riding buddy from years ago. I had to move the car as it charged before we could finish lunch. 30 kWh, 18 minutes, $16.09. It was great to catch up with Kath.



Next stop was the Mid Pacific Motel with included EV charging. 50 kWh in 4 h 24 m $0.00.




After a good night's (early) sleep, I was really keen to get home, so I headed off at  2:30 am. Leaving with a full battery meant I only needed one stop at New Italy, 45 kWh, 28 minutes, $17.75 whilst I ate my breakfast, toileted and cleaned my  teeth.

Total distance over 9 driving days, 5,322.5 km, 159 Wh/km (15.9 kWh/100 km), $310.04, $0.06/km.

So pleased I did this trip. The ADAS, Enhanced Autopilot, and adaptive headlights for the night driving made this an easy and enjoyable trip.

I got home and Thursday mooring had new tyres fitted (Continental eContacts) which are self sealing and much quieter than the originals.

We're so happy with the Y, in July, we bought a 2nd hand 2021 model 3 RWD, Standard range plus, with only 26,000 km on the clock, for under $38,500 including the $5,100 Enhanced Autopilot, 12 months vehicle warranty, and the remainder of the battery warranty until June 2030. It now has 41,700 km on the clock. 

We're saving over $5,000/year/car in fuel and maintenance.

The Y had a nominal 60 kWh new, and now has 56.37 kWh, 5.94% degradation. Range that still outstrips my bladder.

The 3 had a nominal 55 kWh battery when new, and now has 53.57 kWh, 5.78% degradation.

The degradation of both is starting to flatten out.

By the time I'll need new batteries, the tech will have improved so much I'll get a lighter battery with the same range and faster charging, or a bigger battery with the same wait and faster charging. *shrug

P.S.  I now have free charging at work in my new job. :grin

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« Reply #438 on: December 06, 2025, 10:16:41 PM »
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« Reply #439 on: December 07, 2025, 08:11:01 AM »
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Hey Gadget, how about posting your travel story into a suitable thread instead of this one...or are you trying to show everyone the downsides of owning an EV with all those charge stops?

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« Reply #440 on: December 07, 2025, 08:24:26 AM »
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Hey Gadget, how about posting your travel story into a suitable thread instead of this one...or are you trying to show everyone the downsides of owning an EV with all those charge stops?
I was following on from Brock's post.

How about you accept that others enjoy EVs, and what you see as a downside, is a very tall benefit for bladder relief, foid and drink stops, and most importantly fatigue management.

It's time for Don Quixote to dismount.

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« Reply #441 on: December 07, 2025, 08:55:19 AM »
I DO accept that some like/love their EVs, unlike YOU that seem to think that anyone that still owns/drives an ICE vehicle is bowing to the Saudis and must be an "idiot" for not getting on the EV bandwagon.
I must say though with all your photos of your EV being charged it does show that you are obviously charging way more often than I would be fuelling up in my "supposedly" inferior ice vehicle...  :grin

I know it must be hard for you to understand but I'll say it again, this thread is for showing the downsides of EVs, not a thread for you to post your travel stories in... :||||

How about you start your own thread so others can enjoy your story without this agro...or did you just post in this thread to cause friction?  :whistle



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« Reply #442 on: December 07, 2025, 09:22:29 AM »
I was doing other things whilst charging, not hanging onto a hose breathing in noxious fumes.

Until you've experienced the freedom, you won't understand it.

Yes, I have energy independence, and not dependent on the Saudis, and yes, I can't understand why anybody would object to energy independence :shrug

Your choice, just not understandable.

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« Reply #443 on: December 08, 2025, 10:39:26 AM »
Yet another downside of having an EV (for me and I'm sure plenty of others) is not being able to pay with cash when you recharge... :whistle

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« Reply #444 on: December 08, 2025, 02:42:24 PM »
Another downside which has been highlighted in recent times is the use of flush fitting electronically operated door handles on some EVs such as those used by Tesla...



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« Reply #445 on: December 09, 2025, 01:12:15 PM »
My observation on Gary's very well documented travels is the amount of time required to plan such an expedition.  Before leaving, you can make no assumptions when visiting a town for the first time in your EV regarding the availability and location of charging facilities. Hence you need to do the maths regarding range vs chargers and then figure in your overnight accommodation. 
I did note, however, the fact that there appeared to always be a charger available, rather than needing to queue and wait for other users.  As for how long motel owners will offer free electricity is another matter as prices rise and government handouts dwindle.
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« Reply #446 on: December 09, 2025, 02:35:28 PM »
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Us mere mortals would see all this extra research, prep and the inconvenience of more regular stopping for a charge on a road trip as a downside but apparently there are no downsides of driving an EV...lol. :whistle

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« Reply #447 on: December 09, 2025, 02:51:29 PM »
I just wrote up our 6th refuel into my spreadsheet.  With fuel averaging $1.69 for the fills, our 2024 Corolla hybrid cost 7.4 cents per kilometre to run, not a huge amount more than the Tesla, and of course, the Tesla results included some free charging which is a bonus rather than an expectation. That was over 4193km with maybe 50% of it city driving.
Our last Camry was running at 18.7 c/km when fuel averaged $1.70/litre during the last year of ownership.
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« Reply #448 on: December 09, 2025, 04:13:36 PM »
That's pretty damn good, Bill!  :thumbs

I'm not that keen as far as keeping a spreadsheet.

Going by the onboard computer and under favourable conditions I've often recorded figures in the low to mid 5's per 100km with our diesel Kia Sportage which I'm pretty impressed with considering there's no way I'd get that out of the ol' ST1300...


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« Reply #449 on: December 09, 2025, 06:14:19 PM »
When I was recording the usage, I was expending 11.87 c / K in my BT50,

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