Who has First Aid Training , carries a First Aid Kit

[Brock]

I have both, picture of the kit later.

[alans1100]

If I tried this I'd need first aid myself. Red is not my favourite colour especially if it's leaking/pouring from any living thing.

[Brock]

Alan, the first aid kit is like the tyre repair kit n pump, and tools we carry. Its insurance that we will never need (hopefully ) but its there if some one else is in need.

[alans1100]

tool kit is what you meant then.........first aid is for bleeding etc......

[Biggles]

tool kit is what you meant then.........first aid is for bleeding etc......

He means both- bike patching and people patching.  Stop being squeamish about blood and bones and...  oops- I feel dizzy.   

[Dan]

Did a motorcycle first-aid course about a year ago in the UK, and had to do first-aid training recently for my job.

Doesn't mean I am any good at it though! 

[alans1100]

I'll leave the first aid bleeding mending etc  to those vampire types.......lol
As for the bike,  nothing fantastic just this:-

I have the K-mart version of the "slime pump" minus the slime ( I used it) stuff but the pump still works ok. Also shared with the car.
Jumper leads (car) if I think I might need them on tour. Needed on bike twice but left them at home in car......lol. Forget how many times I've used the bike to jump started my own car!!!!!
The infamous do it all Honda Tool Kit as well.

On longer trips I'll get a can or two of that pressurised tyre sealant just in case.

[royst1100]

our ulysses branch is haveing a course early august and im doing it , confirmed tonight. motorcycle based and acredited. cheap at $145 and get  rebate back from ulysses for the effort. good reson to join them as they rebate several further training ever 3 odd years.
 so the answer not yet but will soon

regards royce

[Poppy Dave]

I was an Ambo for 5 years back in the UK many moons ago. Have had to keep up with Senior First Aid as part of job requirements.

I must admit that I don't carry a kit but after watching the videos Brock posted, my first thought was,  "Must get one", which is what I fully intend to do ASAP.

Dave                                                                 

[Brock]

I have a new spare kit going for $69.00, got it with mine this morning  (got 2 for $138 ) its pretty comprehensive, I think they were going for about $100 on their own

[terrydj]

Have never carried a First Aide Kit on the bike as personally I think they are a wank
What I carry are Pressure Bandages. From past Military (Infantry) experiance I know you got to stop the blood coming out. And iIhave advanced medical training but not current

[ST2UP]

Have First Aid kits and more on or in everything we own......occupational hazard from being a NSW Paramedic for the last 20 years, however best piece of equipment in any first aid kit is you.......with some basic training which can instill decision making confidence and hands on ability.

Have taught First Aid classes for nearly 20 odd years and see people attend for the first time with a apprehensive "don't think I could do this for real" approach, but with little information, confidence and practice with the skills taught its amazing what can come out of a participant when they switch on in a real situation.

Had a participant set some form of record when about 10 years ago I signed off in his First Aid practical after a course and less than 15 minutes later he was doing effective CPR for real......he put the emotional side of the event on hold and applied the skills he learnt.

If your a Ulysses member they will even reimburse you for about half the cost of a course.....how good is that.....alot of new information and easy to remember skills in a course now.........Do a First Aid course !!!


Cheers

[Brock]

First aid kits arent a wank, but most of the ones people buy arent adequate for a bike accident.

Here is a link to a suggested first aid kit for the bike, http://www.firstaidanywhere.com/motorcycle-first-aid-kit.html leave out the medications but include panadol. (not asprin or neurophen as they are blood thinners)

This is the kit I have

http://www.firstaidkitsaustralia.com.au/viewitem.asp?id=604

[Streak]

I don't have a First Aid kit on the bike, but i do in the car and in the house, so it makes a good point, i am definitely going to have one to, because it is not just you, it might be someone you come across, being prepared you never know when you can help.

[Shaun]

First aid kid in bike, also current Apply First Aid certified.

[terrydj]

First aid kits arent a wank, but most of the ones people buy arent adequate for a bike accident.

http://www.firstaidkitsaustralia.com.au/viewitem.asp?id=604

Well to me they are. Have no idea about dressings. lotions, or any of that other stuff but I do know every infantry soldier carries a stretch crepe bandage with a pad on it and nothing else and that simple bit of gear has kept heaps of people alive and at most times dealing with worse wounds than thatof the general motorcycle crash. I leave all the potions and witch doctor stuff up to the experts, and I do know from ecperiance that simple crepe bandages work, and you need bugger all training to wrap one around a wound

[Brock]

Believe it or not Terry, that is a first aid kit as well. A plastic bag in the panier with shell  (or compression) bandages and a couple of crepe bandages for good measure, is a better biking first aid kit than the small car kits.

By doing the first aid course and knowing how to use the other stuff in the kit like mine, means you will know how to deal with other injuries suchas breaks in bones as well. Yhe life you save could be mine... 

[ST2UP]

The army dressings Terry mentions are the No.13 & No.15 "shell dressing" and are a great piece of gear to assist with hemorrhage control in addition to other measures......but thats all they do.....only minimal instances where first aid is needed is bleeding related.

It's the knowledge gained from the information in a course that allows a holistic approach to applying First Aid.

The actions or more importantly inaction of the First person at a situation can make the greatest difference to that casualty......a classic example is person in cardiac arrest from what ever cause, all the highly equipped and trained Paramedics, Nurses, Doctors, Cardiologists, Cardiovascular surgeons or Catheter Labs in the world arn't worth a cracker if that person never received effective CPR from a First Aider armed with some basic and current knowledge......the only person who makes good from this situation is the local funeral director.

Do a First Aid course and rest easy at night......you might now posses the skills to make some difference.

Rant over.......

[Couch]

Well said..........I've been a Volunteer Ambo on the Tasman Peninsular for the past 4 years and on call about 48 hours a week. Apart from our initial training we undergo skills training every 2 weeks and are continually tested on our ability. While we generally work with an Intensive Care Paramedic there are times when we're called upon to first response in emergency situations. Because of my training I've performed CPR and other life saving techniques on patients, and only today was involved in treating 3 patients with hyperthermia after their boat had capsized at Eaglehawk Neck and they were trapped under their 21 ft boat in very cold water.
You never know when life saving techniques might be required.........I urge everyone to undergo first aid training......it's a survival skill!

Apart from a fully equipped Ambulance at my disposal, Tas Ambulance also issue us with a comprehensive personal first aid kit, and I carry that kit with me in my pannier..............have I used it??............yes, on a fellow rider, but only once fortunately. It doesn't take up a hell of a lot of space, and it's not all that heavy, and it's there if I need it...................or if someone else might!!

The army dressings Terry mentions are the No.13 & No.15 "shell dressing" and are a great piece of gear to assist with hemorrhage control in addition to other measures......but thats all they do.....only minimal instances where first aid is needed is bleeding related.

It's the knowledge gained from the information in a course that allows a holistic approach to applying First Aid.

The actions or more importantly inaction of the First person at a situation can make the greatest difference to that casualty......a classic example is person in cardiac arrest from what ever cause, all the highly equipped and trained Paramedics, Nurses, Doctors, Cardiologists, Cardiovascular surgeons or Catheter Labs in the world arn't worth a cracker if that person never received effective CPR from a First Aider armed with some basic and current knowledge......the only person who makes good from this situation is the local funeral director.

Do a First Aid course and rest easy at night......you might now posses the skills to make some difference.

Rant over.......

[terrydj]

All I know is that what you do first saves lives. PRESSURE BANDAGES STOP or slow BLEEDING "and that saves lives. Bloods that slippery Red or Dark stuff that comes out when you spring a leek and if the body starts to lose it the body starts to shut down the things it dosn't need, and thats when the really big problems start that 'most times all the Goo and the things that go Beep can't stop.
Me thinks a few of the bandages is the go and leave the techo stuff up to the experts

[Couch]

Terry..........you're dead set right, pressure bandages stop and slow bleeding and as such can certainly help in saving lives, however there is so much more to first aid than just saving lives. Anyone who has sustained an injury will generally require some kind of assistance, their injuries do not need to be life threatening for assistance to be given. First Aid kits include so many useful items, and if you have them with you, who knows what assistance you might be able to give!!

All I know is that what you do first saves lives. PRESSURE BANDAGES STOP or slow BLEEDING "and that saves lives. Bloods that slippery Red or Dark stuff that comes out when you spring a leek and if the body starts to lose it the body starts to shut down the things it dosn't need, and thats when the really big problems start that 'most times all the Goo and the things that go Beep can't stop.
Me thinks a few of the bandages is the go and leave the techo stuff up to the experts

[ST2UP]

G'day Terry, no argument from anyone here that a appropriately applied "pad and crepe" bandage or shell dressing applied to a bleeding wound isn't the best course of action......just as your statment of "what you do first saves lives" is pure gold.........but can you concede the point being made by me and others that their is more to first aid than just a wound that needs a bandage......

The basic knowledge from a First Aid course can assist a person suffering from any number of Medical or Trauma related conditions that dosn't need a bandage applied.......take a motorcyclist fallen from his bike and knocked unconscious laying on his back with a potentialy blocked airway from their tounge falling back, the simple action of Head tilt and jaw lift solves their life threatening issue......that simple.....and no bandage required, just a little knowledge and your capable hands.

This example above is only one of many hundreds of conditions that a First Aider can assist with not a drop of blood in sight.

Good thread thanks Brock........keeping important issues alive by healthy discussion.

Cheers

[Malcolm6112]

I have both, Senior First Aid and a kit. Hope that I don't have to use either.

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First aid kits arent a wank, but most of the ones people buy arent adequate for a bike accident.

http://www.firstaidkitsaustralia.com.au/viewitem.asp?id=604

Well to me they are. Have no idea about dressings. lotions, or any of that other stuff but I do know every infantry soldier carries a stretch crepe bandage with a pad on it and nothing else and that simple bit of gear has kept heaps of people alive and at most times dealing with worse wounds than thatof the general motorcycle crash. I leave all the potions and witch doctor stuff up to the experts, and I do know from ecperiance that simple crepe bandages work, and you need bugger all training to wrap one around a wound

Normally I go to the recent post button.
My parents used to say" if you haven't got any thing good to say, don't say it.

You can have the thread back now.

 

[terrydj]

I concede their is more to First Aide training??????? but First Aide Training to what extent???????? When I did the military thing I was trained how to push stuff back in when it came out, how to try and stop bleeding, how to strap exposed bone, jab a syringe in the side of the neck but all this was to try and keep the person alive untill the ones who had all the knowledge of what was next came forth.
All I know is this. If you try and stop the blood coming out things can only get better. Most of the crap thats in so called First Aide bags is to try and stop infection????? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh but if the bloods still running out stopping infection is the last thing you should worry about.
So pack a few stretch bandages, cause they work

And you are quite right ST2UP But if I found someone unconcious on the side of the road the first thing I would do is to jab 2 fingers down their throat to see if they were still alive. If their alive they will gag. Yeah I know they havent taught that in any First Aide classes I have went to, but it works especially when you are dealing with a suspected heart attack victum. If they don't Gag their not breathing.

[Couch]

I guess that's one way of doing it Terry but there are more less invasive ways of checking if someone's breathing that can be done just as quick. I don't know about others but my first aid kit isn't filled with useless crap as you might suggest, and I carry nothing with me that's strictly for fighting infection. I'll give you a brief run down of some of the items I carry...........rubber gloves, for my own protection, and I'm sure I don't need to tell you against what, a resuscitation mask to enable me to give mouth to mouth without fear of infection, sterile solution (saline) that can be used for flushing eyes, etc, shears for cutting away clothing, foil blanket, sterile non adhesive dressings for burns, plus all the usual dressings that can be used for minor and major trauma, including triangular bandages, scissors, and even safety pins.............some of these items are not life saving, but useful nevertheless. I also carry within my kit sterile wipes, tape to secure dressings, etc. thermometer, tweezers, and even a pad and pencil.............as I said, not life saving, but useful.
Your view seems to be more about only controlling blood flow, where as mine is more to giving aid in whatever way I can.
Not knocking you mate..............just a different point of view!!

I concede their is more to First Aide training??????? but First Aide Training to what extent???????? When I did the military thing I was trained how to push stuff back in when it came out, how to try and stop bleeding, how to strap exposed bone, jab a syringe in the side of the neck but all this was to try and keep the person alive untill the ones who had all the knowledge of what was next came forth.
All I know is this. If you try and stop the blood coming out things can only get better. Most of the crap thats in so called First Aide bags is to try and stop infection????? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh but if the bloods still running out stopping infection is the last thing you should worry about.
So pack a few stretch bandages, cause they work

And you are quite right ST2UP But if I found someone unconcious on the side of the road the first thing I would do is to jab 2 fingers down their throat to see if they were still alive. If their alive they will gag. Yeah I know they havent taught that in any First Aide classes I have went to, but it works especially when you are dealing with a suspected heart attack victum. If they don't Gag their not breathing.