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Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« on: October 09, 2011, 08:24:48 PM »
Well, I am sure I saw something when I first signed up with you guys about this here already, but can't seem to see the damn thing now (Maybe it was on the old site)..   >:()

Well, I have searched, and if it is still around, sorry for doubling the post  :spank

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As I work my way through getting to know my new bike (Well it isn't really new anymore, but that give me an excuse to sound less stupid that I feel).

I am about to play the sync game with the carbs. The bike is getting hot quite quick, and it does have a little knock that I notice after a 30 minute Freeway run in the sun, on my way home from Perth. I know this may not be the issue, but I am going to replace the plugs, set them correctly and then sync the carbs (NO, I am not going to take the covers off and check the valves yet, that will be as I get more brave with my bike  :whistle).

There is some chat on the net about this, and there are camps that like different types of gauges or meters for the vacuum tests. I know you can save a little money by getting a single meter and using it on each carb as you work your away round to balance them with carb 4 (The one that is fixed). This STE Flow Meter appears to be popular in the USA (The 6537 model suits the ST1100 opening):
http://www.cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=572  for $45 US without postage
This one appears to be damn easy to use. It sits in the carb air intake vent, so no hose pulling, but some say it is not accurate, and hard to read while setting the carbs.

But I prefer the ones that run all 4 at the same time  :butt
Guages:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/230644367310?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649  from Australia $125 delivered

Flow meter:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/290485257112?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649  from UK $165 delivered (pay $20 less if you don't want the tool bag too)

The flow meter is popular on the USA forums it appears, as they are easier to read than having four dials that you are trying to balance.

I am swaying toward this "Carbtune Carburettor Balancer Carb sync Vacuum Gauges" set from the UK too.

What are your thoughts   :CB-- ? and has someone here got a better idea, or local ones that are better suited or priced?
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Re: Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2011, 08:31:50 PM »
+1 for the Carbtune, I have one and it comes with all sorts of adapters.  :thumb
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Re: Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2011, 06:38:45 AM »
I bought my Morgan Carbtune directly from Carbtune.. and I'm sure that I didn't pay much over $100 (including the case, delivered!)

I also went to SuperCheap and bought a nylon T piece to patch into the vacuum line to the fuel cut-off valve.

Bike now idles much better after the carbs were sync'd. The pipe ends aren't sooty anymore, and hopefully fuel economy has improved. Vibration is down a bit too.

http://www.carbtune.com/
Click on the 'Prices' link at the left of screen!
64 pounds plus 3 pounds delivery!
$107!! Aussie
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Re: Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2011, 08:10:58 AM »
I bought my Morgan Carbtune directly from Carbtune.. and I'm sure that I didn't pay much over $100 (including the case, delivered!)

I also went to SuperCheap and bought a nylon T piece to patch into the vacuum line to the fuel cut-off valve.

Bike now idles much better after the carbs were sync'd. The pipe ends aren't sooty anymore, and hopefully fuel economy has improved. Vibration is down a bit too.

http://www.carbtune.com/
Click on the 'Prices' link at the left of screen!
64 pounds plus 3 pounds delivery!
$107!! Aussie


Wow, that is a saving.

Thanks for that. I think I am happy to commit to it now.

Cheers for the input from you both (STRay and Rodd).   :-++

Mark
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Re: Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2011, 09:08:59 AM »
I have both the carb tune and the flowmeter.  The flowmeter is that bit easuer to use and results in a good synch.  The carbtunes work very well, but just need to be set up with the T piece Rodd mentions. The bonus of the carbtunes is that you can use then later on other bikes if required (unless you buy a 6 cylinder - BMW why did you do this to me!!)
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Re: Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2011, 08:38:43 PM »
I bought my Morgan Carbtune directly from Carbtune.. and I'm sure that I didn't pay much over $100 (including the case, delivered!)


64 pounds plus 3 pounds delivery!
$107!! Aussie

FYI Rodd

Checked my Visa account and the price you said is so close  :thumbsup. Cost after Visa and Comm Bank cut is $106.99, I expect another $2 for international fee that CommBank like to stick on a day later  :o. (Not sure just how many times they like to get a hit out of exchange rates etc...)

Thanks again for finding that price for me. Saved a heap on E Bay price, and direct from the supplier too.

What Spark Plugs do you use on your bike? The recommended NGK CR8EF9 (Well that is what it says in the 2003 ST1100P addendum).

Thanks again for the help guys

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Re: Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2011, 08:48:09 PM »
The standard plugs are fine and last ages. I have used the Iridium versions for 70,000kms plus as I hate changing those rear plugs!  I got them on the back of ordering other things from overseas.  Standard ones last ages longer than the recommended chnage interval.
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Re: Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 09:00:40 PM »
The standard plugs are fine and last ages. I have used the Iridium versions for 70,000kms plus as I hate changing those rear plugs!  I got them on the back of ordering other things from overseas.  Standard ones last ages longer than the recommended chnage interval.

saaz

Thanks for that info. I have not pulled my plugs yet, will wait and do them at the same time as the carb balance.

The rears being hard to get at, did you need a universal joint on the socket or something? Frame in the way?

As for how long the plugs last. I picked the boke up last month on 60,000klm, I have another 2000k on already, but seeing as it did not have a full service record (The guy I picked up from owned the bike from the Manheim Fowles Police auction, put only 500k's on in two years and sold it to me. He had a service done in Rockingham within days of buying it, then parked it up for two years in the garage on charge). So I will do the plugs so I have a base line of what I have done and when.

Not shy of using better ones, I will do a little research for Iridium plugs. Thanks for the heads up. :thumb

Are you the same saaz that is on the USA forums too?

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2011, 09:21:34 PM »
Mark, I am the same saaz everywhere!  Yes I am on three of the US forums as well, so I have collected a bit of information over the years.  The rear plugs need a flexible joint of some sort, which is what the OEM plug tool is.  It is best to do it cold as then you can play around and curse a bit doing it!  The fairing gets in the way a bit but you can work around it.  Standard plugs last ages, but Iridiums in the US are not that much more.
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Re: Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2011, 10:25:41 PM »
Mark, I am the same saaz everywhere!  Yes I am on three of the US forums as well, so I have collected a bit of information over the years.  The rear plugs need a flexible joint of some sort, which is what the OEM plug tool is.  It is best to do it cold as then you can play around and curse a bit doing it!  The fairing gets in the way a bit but you can work around it.  Standard plugs last ages, but Iridiums in the US are not that much more.

Thanks again saaz

FYI, I ordered a set of four NGK CR8EHIX-9 Iridium plugs from the UK, cost $46.41 delivered. Not a bad price.

And just to lift everyones opinion of me (No, this really won't  :o), I admit that I sent an email request to David Silver Spares for a price on a Honda Spark plug tool for my ST1100Y, they replied (very kindly I may add) that they can supply such tool for $20 delivered, but they suggested that I may not have looked in the toolkit on the bike  :thumb. They assumed correctly, I have never even opened it  :rofl. I use all my own tools for most things (always expect these tool kits to have crap toy tools in anyway), well, there it was, an unused spark plug removal tool, with swivel joint etc... Sometimes I feel plain daft. Very kind that they told me to check before buying one from them though. Well, now I know that I have a tension tool for the rear shock too. Who knows, I may even read the bike manual one day...  :o|||
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Re: Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2011, 10:39:46 PM »
I have seen the OEM spark plug tool and am thinking of making one up. At the moment I carry enough bits and pieces to do the job, but it is fiddly.
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Re: Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2011, 05:49:01 PM »
Well, finally got around to using my new Carbtune Pro to sync the 4 carbs on my ST1100  >:()
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The carb tune is easy to use, I did find there was small changes from one "rev up" to another. If I balanced all 4 within a segment on the Hg reading of each other, if I then gave the bike a couple of "big" revs, they did not always settle down to the same levels  :o|||. This was not a huge amount, but I found that I spent about one hour "hunting" my settings between cylinders one to four.  :think1

I picked up a small length of Vacuum hose (5/16) from MALZ here in WA (A mistake, as it was about half the price at Supercheap. plus the pack of vacuum "T"'s were cheaper at Supercheap too, but you live and learn), I also picked up a small pack of Vacuum "T's" to join into the vac line to the fuel cut off. I picked up a pair of 4mm ones as suggested at Malz, but found that as soon as the neoprene heats, the 4mm passes some of the vacuum. so swapped them for 5mm pack, The 5mm is s tight fit on the bike vacuum hose (the hose that goes to the fuel cut off), but it does fit, and stays tight even when the bike is up to heat and cooking.

Hardest thing really was finding the adjusting screws at the beggining, and getting the hang of how you balance one pair at a time, them balance the left and right pairs together. Once I got the hang of that, it is very easy to do. The way I was reading it, I thought that you just balance one at a time from the fixed carb (carb 4), maybe if I had re read it a few times, it may have made more sense.

Next time, I know I don't need to take the grey plastic tops of the left and right fairing off, just the left and right fairting inspection lids and the false fuel tank cover.

The other thing I found was that when I tested by bike before adjusting it, the left pair of cylinders were near balanced, the right pair were out from each other by about "2" segments of the HG reading. The real problem was the that right pair compared to the left pair were out by about 5 segments from each other. God only knows how they got that far out from each side. I did think it may have been a problem with that particular adjuster. But it came back in line OK after running through the process.

At least I now know what to do next time. So that is easy as pie.  :hatwave, and I will not be trying for perfection either, just get them all balanced within + or - 1 segment.

The test drive after setting them, well, my bike appears smoother running, and it purrs on idle now. I did not realise just how much vibration it was giving until it has gone.

The Carbtune was well worth the purchase price, and I love being able to do those things myself too.  :beer

Thanks to all for the tips and comments
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Mark
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Re: Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2011, 01:34:47 AM »

Hardest thing really was finding the adjusting screws at the beginning, and getting the hang of how you balance one pair at a time, them balance the left and right pairs together.


I painted my screw heads with "white" paint to make it easier to find them the next time.   :thumbs
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Re: Sync ST1100 Carbs (Best meter/ Gauges - Easy to use)
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2011, 07:19:20 AM »

Hardest thing really was finding the adjusting screws at the beginning, and getting the hang of how you balance one pair at a time, them balance the left and right pairs together.


I painted my screw heads with "white" paint to make it easier to find them the next time.   :thumbs

Good idea

I was using a 12 LED headlamp to help me see them, painted white would make them much easier to find. :thumb

Cheers for the tip
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