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ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« on: December 21, 2012, 04:38:47 PM »
My 1100 is off the road at the moment so while all it's plastic ( the front half at least) spead all over my back yard it made sense to get a couple photos of behind the headlight and hopefully get to see what we are actually trying to feel our way through during the headlight globe change over.

Also be wary if it appears that both headlights have failed at the same time. Yes, it happens but it's very rare. If this happens, check that your starter switch hasn't stuck halfway as the lights are turned off during start and come back on when you release the starter (1300 as well).

If the start cycle is ok, check your fuses (1300 as well).

This applies to both 1100 versions but more so the ABS version as there is no access (or very little) from the top by removing the screen due to the extra ABS components behind the fairing.

The manual tells me to remove the middle fairing inner panel to gain access underneath the headlight but I think that's a little over kill as there is a black panel underneath the headlight which is all I remove as shown in the picture.

You just need to be wary of the clips for the screws on the inner panel that might fall off and might need a slight squeeze to hold them in place before you replace the black panel



The next steps are all done by feel only and the more you do it, the quicker you'll do it. It took me ages the first time I did it and now I'm down to about 30 minutes max for two globe changes.


1: Next up is to remove the leads from the globes, they should just pull off (well mine do)
2: Remove the rubber boot. There's a tab which should be at the bottom so you can pull the boot off.
 


3: The tricky part is to release the globe retaining clip which is done by pushing in towards the globe then to the left until the clip releases.
4: Old globe/s out.

5: New Globes: what type do you have?

The standard 55/60W H4 that you get the from auto shop or Mr Honda's own H4 standard.

If you just happen to be well off and can afford Mr Honda's globes then it's just a simple matter of fitting the new globe/s (don't touch glass) and reversing the above process.

Otherwise you have two options.

       1: Bend the lower two location tabs on the new globe and then insert new globe into Headlight and then reverse the removal process.
   
       2: Similar to number one but install shims on the globes which use the original Honda locations and the globe is located correctly.

I have the shims on mine which can just be seen in the OEM globe location points, You can also see where the lower tabs on the globe have been bent.



When replacing the globe the wider tab on the globe goes to the top. If you place your pointer finger behind the tab you can feel the location point and the globe should sit it. to check I just try and turn the globe and if it's in the correct location in won't move. The globe should sit and won't fall out but I still hold the globe and use my thumb to get the retaining clip and swing it over until I can use my finger to replace the clip to hold the globe in.

6: Replace the rubber boots making sure the tabs are at the bottom.

7: Make sure that you can feel all three pins on the globes and attach the leads. It's easy to get this wrong so just make sure your lights are working correctly before  you replace the black panel.

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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2012, 04:46:15 PM »
Nicely done.
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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2012, 09:41:57 PM »
That might help a few questions about replacing the bulbs.

Mine had never turned off the headlights when starting, so maybe it is an ABS model thing in Australia, as I know overseas models do turn off the lights when starting.
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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2012, 10:32:13 PM »
My 1100 drops the headlights on start, and from what I have read, most STs do
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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2012, 10:59:13 PM »
My 11 doesn't drop the headlights on start so I have installed a relay to kill the headlight if sidestand is down.
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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2012, 08:54:39 AM »
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As for H4 lights,,,, the H6 actually the tabs at a different angle so no need to bend tabs

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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2012, 07:43:22 PM »
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Headlight bulb changed.. I think when I put the previous H4 bulb in, I didn't bend the lower 2 tabs. It still went in but was a  :butt to get the retaining clips over.

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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2012, 01:51:17 AM »
I was lucky with the ST1100 I used to own :grin
The previous owner had cut in groves for standard H4 bulbs so they fit without a problem. What an awesome idea :-++
The only down side being you would have to remove the whole thing to do the modification :fp :cuss
But it does make changing light bulbs a breeze any time you have to do it in the future :thumb :runyay :grin
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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2012, 07:03:25 AM »
Excatly what I did, do it once and never have a problem getting bulbs again.

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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2015, 10:14:57 PM »
I can not believe how hard it is to replace the headlights on an ST 1100A. The Engineer who designed this should give back their Degree.
The photo's were a help (thanks Allans) but I tell you it is a nightmare.
I did see a youtube video but it was an 1100 not and 1100A and all the ABS stuff is installed just where you put your hands in from the top. It's impossible from the top, but you do need to take off the windscreen and other stuff so you can see.
Then you take all the underbelly stuff so you can get your hands in and look from the top and FEEL your way around.
Getting the clips off and on were a miracle. I found that the easiest way was to get a long nose plier onto the top of the clip (the bendy bit) in one hand and with the other hand fiddle the pliers until you jag the clip into its right place.
I know some people were using mirrors and torches but I found I needed to be octopus to do that.
I managed to get some Philips 65/50 H4 globes from Supercheap for $40 for the pair. Yes BOTH low beams blew but I think I was riding with one blown for a while.
Anyway .... good luck to you if you have to replace the globes. I read a comment from someone that said the next time their globes blow, they would rather sell the bike. I'm close to that but here's hoping the next time I do it, it won't be a painful.
Oh and what do I do with the 2 screws I have left over? :H
 

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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2015, 10:27:41 PM »
I finally replaced my bulbs after 5 years on Tuesday night.  I had to remove the little tabs on the front of the bulb as the spacing on the originals was wider. The first bulb took 20 minutes, the second took ten. I did remove the screen and the plate underneath.

Having worked on aircraft for 40 Yrs, I am used to having hands working through different access panels and have developed eyes in my fingers..

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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2015, 11:42:03 PM »
The first time I needed to change a globe was sometime in 2007 and without a manual of any type found it a little mystifying. Removing the screen and going in through the top seemed the logical way but having removed all the plastic I found access wasn't going to be easy. So where else to get access from up front? I noticed the panel under the headlight, removed it and just enough room (for me) to gain access to both lights.

Adjusting the direction of the forks made it easier as well. Not realising at the time that Honda had their own H4 spec globe I had little success in seating the globe properly. A few months after I moved to Karratha from Port Hedland while living there we had a trip to Perth. I needed a new tyre so down to the Honda dealer at Rockingham for that and sourced a couple aftermarket 45/45W globes from there.

Now, like some I use the adapter rings and standard H4 globes, bend the two lower tabs and put the globe in and the RH one is a pain to fit (ring keeps falling off) but the LH just goes in. I don't remove the screen after finding no access the first time; seems a waste of time.

 
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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2015, 11:47:52 PM »
I have replaced ny Honda headlight globes with Narva 12v 60/55 120 globes.  There is a significant light output improvident from the OEM globes, and just need to cut off the bottom two tags from the globes to make them fit.
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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2015, 12:15:56 AM »
I've had good recommendation about these from the UK so these are on the list of things to get.

OSRAM Night Breaker Unlimited H4 (Twin) http://www.powerbulbs.com/au/product/night-breaker-unlimited-h4
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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2015, 04:48:55 PM »
I've had good recommendation about these from the UK so these are on the list of things to get.

OSRAM Night Breaker Unlimited H4 (Twin) http://www.powerbulbs.com/au/product/night-breaker-unlimited-h4
These arrived in the mail today and bought from http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/191426124831?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT for just over $30 to my door.

The LH globe failed which is why I ordered this set and I swapped both globes over. As usual the RH globe and adapter ring gave me issues when refitting so I left the ring off. I did the same with the LH one. The lights now appear a little whiter but until I go for a ride at night it'll be hard to judge.
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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2015, 12:38:35 AM »
I can not believe how hard it is to replace the headlights on an ST 1100A. The Engineer who designed this should give back their Degree.
The photo's were a help (thanks Allans) but I tell you it is a nightmare.
I did see a youtube video but it was an 1100 not and 1100A and all the ABS stuff is installed just where you put your hands in from the top. It's impossible from the top, but you do need to take off the windscreen and other stuff so you can see.
Then you take all the underbelly stuff so you can get your hands in and look from the top and FEEL your way around.
Getting the clips off and on were a miracle. I found that the easiest way was to get a long nose plier onto the top of the clip (the bendy bit) in one hand and with the other hand fiddle the pliers until you jag the clip into its right place.
I know some people were using mirrors and torches but I found I needed to be octopus to do that.
I managed to get some Philips 65/50 H4 globes from Supercheap for $40 for the pair. Yes BOTH low beams blew but I think I was riding with one blown for a while.
Anyway .... good luck to you if you have to replace the globes. I read a comment from someone that said the next time their globes blow, they would rather sell the bike. I'm close to that but here's hoping the next time I do it, it won't be a painful.
Oh and what do I do with the 2 screws I have left over? :H

But, having worked on various parts of my ST1100 over the years, I was under the impression the making things as difficult to work on as possible, if not then completely impossible without factor supplied tools, was a major requirement of Honda employment.

Replace the headlights with 35/35w HID units back in early 2010.  Pain in the butt ! The cheap a**ed Chinese harness wiring is too thin ! The earth contact wire has turned black (the copper wire itself) and the contact it plugged into had burned down to a little ball of melted copper twice !
Only real working solution has been to pull out the whole harness and hand build one from scratch using heavier gauge wiring and 5 pin Bosch relays.   

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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2015, 02:47:44 PM »
As usual the RH globe and adapter ring gave me issues when refitting so I left the ring off. I did the same with the LH one. The lights now appear a little whiter but until I go for a ride at night it'll be hard to judge.
After coming back from Adelaide last Monday (15th) I needed to use the lights on the way home. With out the adapter rings in I had to adjust the headlight all the way up to get any light on the road for low beam. Not having to many days of fine weather in the last week I got around to getting the rings in again today. As usual the LH side goes in like a duck goes into water but the RH managed to go in after quite a few attempts. I keep catching the globe retainer spring as the globe passes it so I swapped over to my left hand and got it in on second go.
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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2015, 12:53:35 PM »
Hi All,
       I had a third head light bulb blow at 139k kms today and as the second one went at around 80K I did not have an OEM spare. I had a spare H4 so cut the two small tangs off and glued the the aftermarket shim to the back of the bulb and installed without any problems. After going for a quick ride I suddenly remembered that the shim should have gone on the front. But as the main tang is curved I did not think about it.

My (dumb) question: Are the tangs there for alignment only with the bulb seated against the headlight housing all the way around OR are the tangs the only thing that holds the bulb in place?

Doing it this way means the bulb focal point has not changed. But will it move around? I guess I may find out my answer over the next few rides.

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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2015, 01:42:11 PM »
On the globe the three tabs are for alignment and the spring clip holds the globe in place.

With the adapter ring we either cut off or bend the lower two tabs back and the remaining top tab locates the globe the right way up and when held in place with the spring clip won't move. I did try fitting the globes without the adapter once but the globe wouldn't sit in the housing properly so the adapter keeps the globe vertical as well.

No need to glue the globe to the ring either as they are reusable.
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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2015, 01:57:36 PM »
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Re: ST1100A Headlight Globe Replacement
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2015, 03:22:54 PM »
I cut the two bottom tabs off and the globe appears to sit well once the clip is on. They do wobble a bit, but once the clip is on, the bulb plate, in my experience, nearly always ends up firmly in the correct position. I haven't noticed a change in the alignment or focus of the headlight beams.

I have found that the process is a PIA the first few times, but does gets easier with practice. Muscle memory I would guess. I've had to replace 5 or 6 bulbs in (about) 65,000 km. I use "mid" priced bulbs, bought in bulk off eBay.

If one blows, I don't fear the process any more, I just change it. Takes about 10 minutes. Usually. Mostly. Except when it goes all wrong and a red mist descends and I cannon the effing bulb off the head of the stupid man in his little white coat who is coming to take me away, Ha! Ha!.
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