Police lower the tolerance of lenience given for speeding...

[Diesel]

Like our Victorian counterparts, seems like Qld Police have had enough and are becoming stricter on speeders who are 'just over the limit'.


Here is a copy of an email outlining the new directive:


Lower tolerances in speeding crackdown
Following the launch of Operation Lima Spring Break the second stage of a speeding enforcement campaign is set to begin and recent statistics suggest that a greater number of Queensland motorists have been detected speeding.


Road Policing Command Acting Assistant Commissioner Mike Keating said that following the Commissioners announcement in June that tolerances would be lowered, the second stage of the reducing the tolerances is about to commence and police will continue to monitor compliance with speed limits and the impact on road safety.


“Our message today is drive to the posted speed limits; that is the maximum speed permitted to be travelled on the road at that time,” Acting Assistant Commissioner Mike Keating said.


“As at midnight last night, the Queensland road toll was 201. This is six more road deaths than at the same date in 2012 and 27 more than at the same date in 2010. This is not acceptable.”


“At the end of July 2013, the number of speed camera detections increased by 2% when compared with the corresponding period 2012. At the end of August 2013, the number of speed camera detections increased by 23% when compared with the corresponding period in 2012.”


“This increase is attributed to the increase in speed camera operations and the reduction in the enforcement tolerance level. In addition, since July 2013, police commenced operating an additional five combined red light with speed cameras across Queensland and the number of mobile speed camera hours increased by 28% for the month of August 2013 when compared to 2012,” Acting Assistant Commissioner Mike Keating said.


Commissioner Ian Stewart said that it was disappointing to see an increase in detections and he urged all motorists to drive at a speed no greater than the posted speed limit.


“Speeding kills and we will continue to enforce the speed limit in an effort to make our roads safer for all. We need to take a stand as the road toll is unacceptably high and we want everyone to take personal responsibility everyday, to reduce the road toll” Commissioner Stewart said.


Speed Camera Statistics demonstrating an improved compliance:

Speed Cameras (not including red light cameras or portable devices)


In the 2010/2011 financial year – 208 vehicles monitored per speed offence

In the 2012/13 financial year – 315 vehicles monitored per speed offence


Mobile speed cameras only (not including portable or fixed)Offences per 1,000 vehicles:
•   2011/2012 – 9.16
•   2012/13 – 8.69


Fixed Speed Cameras (Analogue Fixed Speed, All Digital Fixed Speed, Combined Digital Speed/Red Light Cameras & the Digital Average Speed Camera System)


Offences per 1,000 vehicles:
•   2011/12 – 1.78
•   2012/13 – 1.17






... might pay to set the cruise control a couple of clicks lower fellow STeed pilots!        


Cheers, Diesel

[STeveo]

Where all the 'stick to the speed limit' and 'speed kills' crap falls down is that people are just driving to the posted limit and not using their eyes or brain to drive to the conditions, believing that because the sign says 100Kph that they can do 100Kph in any conditions and if they have a prang its 'not their fault because the sign said so'.

 

[Biggles]

How can they justify lowering the speed limit tolerance when their own statistics show people are being MORE COMPLIANT!!??

And will dropping the 5 clicks we used to do over the limit make a scrap of difference in the road toll??  No!

More speed cameras to try and make up for the decrease per thousand that are being caught.  Simple as that!

[Yorkie]

The stupidity of this is Standards Australia for motor vehicle speedo error is + or - 10%, non of these idiots want to take that into account, only use it for revenue.

[Pezzz]

I stopped at the speed trap at the lakes last weekend on way home asked if I could test my speedo. Was spot on 80 at the point he said he would test. He said maybe doing 81. My boulevard reads 7km higher and so does wife's CBR with digital speedo. She thought I was speeding as when I was doing 90 she was doing 97 by her bike.. Interesting for long weekend coming up with double demerits.

Sent from somewhere using something on my phone :-)

[royst1100]

no comment    revenue    +- 10% BS

[young one]

Hi All, I don't know if anyone knows but apparently the speed limit for Brisbane CBD is a maximum of 40KPH.
Don't ask how I know, but I do!!!!
Can't have my

[Streak]

Keeping in mind that a number of our club work for the police force in various states, just be mindful they are doing their job...

from someone who has had speeding tickets in various states over the years, i have never been cranky getting a ticket, if you are speeding and breaking the law, well then it is your own fault...i have taken it on the chin and paid the fine.

yes technology is getting better and the tolerance is coming down, so we need to keep that and mine and do the same and we might just have to bring the speed down.

We would all love a higher speed limit, but what we have is what we have......

[Biggles]

And the good part is, for speeds up to 13 kph over the limit, you only lose one point in Qld, so you can pay the fine 12 times in 3 years without losing your licence and they can milk quite a tidy sum out of you.  While the tolerance was 4 or 5 kays, the Gummint was missing out on all that revenue.  The Pollies are driven around in tax-payer's cars most of the time, so don't have to worry about fines.

[young one]

What is the tolerance that one is allowed now?

[Marcus]

It's 3km tolerance in Vic so heads up for the rally in Vic

[Pezzz]

It boggles me how we have a tolerance in manufacturers for speedos of +/- 10% and yet only a 3 kph tolerance on tickets.
In my experience most vehicles over indicate speed so you are actually going slower but still the tolerance is there both ways ....   

[TAZZIEBAZ]

It just means more time taken up continually checking our speedo's to ensure that we're not a couple of clicks over the limit, than watching the road ahead, and where we should be going! I don't knock the police who have to enforce the road rules, but I certainly knock the rule makers.  I wonder just how many drivers/riders travelling just a couple of clicks over the limit have been responsible for fatal accidents, I'm more inclined to believe it's the dipsticks that we often see on the roads who just shouldn't be driving/riding!   Of course there are exceptions to every rule!!

[alans1100]

It boggles me how we have a tolerance in manufacturers for speedos of +/- 10% and yet only a 3 kph tolerance on tickets.
In my experience most vehicles over indicate speed so you are actually going slower but still the tolerance is there both ways ....   

That tolerance only applies to older vehicles. Since July 2006 no vehicle should be going faster than the speed indicated but owners of older locally built vehicles might or should have some lee way due to ADR requirement of the day.

It seems that the new tolerance the police seem to be enforcing is the +/- speed accuracy of the radar unit etc.

http://www.racq.com.au/motoring/cars/car_advice/car_fact_sheets/speedo_accuracy

From 1 July 2006 newly introduced models of a vehicle available on the market must comply with ADR 18/03. Also, from 1 July 2007 any newly manufactured vehicle (excluding mopeds) must comply with this rule.

This new rule requires that the speedo must not indicate a speed less than the vehicle’s true speed or a speed greater than the vehicle’s true speed by an amount more than 10 percent plus 4 km/h. Significantly, this change means that speedos must always read 'safe', meaning that the vehicle's true speed must not be higher than the speed indicated by the speedo.

[Rodd]

I am not someone who thinks that laws were only made for other people, but I think that 'when it comes to speeding fines' that they need to remember that we are adults and we deserve at least some amount of tolerance. There are a hella-va-lot of more things that are dangerous when riding than doing (up to) 10% over the limit and it's more important for safety to be an aware and skilled rider than watching your speedo all the time trying to make sure that you don't do 101k's instead of 100k's. As we are all aware it is different doing 100k's on a wet road compared to a dry road, or a dry back road with gravel on a bend!
I find it hard to keep exact track of my speed on the bike compared to my diesel Land Cruiser. The big brother' control thing just goes too far nowadays.
It's not my intention to ride 110k's in a 100 k limit, but to make sure that I don't go over the 100k's on my bike then I would need to ride in the lower 90k's.. and that causes other safety issues with car and truck drivers that insist on sticking close to the limit (and often close to my tail.. and that's much more tiring for me as well as dangerous).

I would go and fight for the safety of Police that are there to protect us, but enforcing no tolerance when it comes to speed limits won't have my support.
When it comes to safety I believe that doing 105 in a 100 zone on occasion will have very little if any positive (or negative) impact on safety.

Will it have any effect on the road toll.. I highly doubt it EXCEPT for the fact that it may make people keep more of a lookout for Police on the road and effect their driving behaviour that way.

My criticism is for the big wigs and govt that come up with these ideas, not the realistic members of the Police force that are out to do a decent job.

[Diesel]

Very good comments people...

Another possible outcome could be that many motorists would drive at 95 km/h so as to not risk a fleeting downhill moment into the 100's!

This would prove very frustrating to all involved.


This scenario highlights what has been said about looking at your speedo more often, as it would seem we have a 1-2km/h window to operate in and maintain our vehicle's velocity.

[bobSTer]

Hi All, I don't know if anyone knows but apparently the speed limit for Brisbane CBD is a maximum of 40KPH.
Don't ask how I know, but I do!!!!
Can't have my

Yes ...... Brisbane  CBD is 40 kph XCPT Anne Street which is one way ....WEST Bound .... 60 kph ......as stated - the rest is 40 clicks

[bobSTer]

The announcement of speed tolerance decrease is already evident ..... as a Professional Driver {READ BUS & COACH) I see it every day since the BBBIIIIIGGGG announcement ... TIN TOPS are travelling 3-8 kph SLOWER -inbound and outbound of the CBD - they are totally scared of big brother ........WTF

I RIDE

 

[Old Steve]

   I'm stuffed then.

Either I ride at a speed which varies between 5 km/hr below the posted limit to 10 km/hr above the posted limit or they do me for riding without due care and attention because I'm looking at my F*#+ing speedo all the time!

And I'd rather be looking out for potential SMIDSYs, broken road surface and kids or animals running out from the side of the road.

[Brock]

When asked after being stopped, if you know why you were stopped, the answer  (politely ) is No.

"Do you know what speed you were doing??".. No, I was on the look at cars trying to kill me, not the speedo..

 

All said in a polite friendly way, not in a smart ass tone..

[Pezzz]

Unfortunately cameras don't ask these questions.. :-( ... A person normally understands if you say it right and treat then with due respect.. Cameras on the other hand cannot be reasoned with...

Sent from somewhere using something on my phone :-)

[STill dreaming]

Might be interesting to see how many Accidents are put down to inattention when the inattention is caused by the constant need to take your eye's off the road to concentrate on the speedo.I my opinion speed does not kill ,poor driving/riding skills,road conditions kill not speed (drive to the conditions always),other wise all of us travelling faster than our natural walking pace would all be dead.

[bluehonda]

We need to remember that lower speed limits/tolerances are not the brainchild of the Police or road safety experts. 
It's proven that drivers that speed are not overly represented in fatal or injury accidents.
It's simply about revenue or otherwise the fines and points loss would be increased to the point that nobody at all would infringe upon the rules.  The Police and the cameras simply enforce the rules.  It all filters down from above (the government).
Like it or not now it simply comes down to don't speed or be prepared for what happens.


Brad

[Biggles]

I'd be embarrassed to be a Copper handing out fines for 2 to 5 kays over the limit.

Ultimately, as a few of us have said, it's the politicians who decide the laws and penalties.  So it's up to all the Voters to tell them to take a cold shower and wake up to the real world.  And we citizens of the Real World are not happy.  That translates into "You will not get voted back into your comfy cushioned Parliament chair with your car allowance, travel allowance, electoral allowance, stationery allowance, entertainment allowance and allowance allowance".

Simple as that!

[STill dreaming]

Should not post here ,as iv'e just been pinged by plod.hiding in the bushes this side of a 60km sign guess what i accelerated a little too early.how is this saving the world ?frustrated!