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Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« on: December 14, 2013, 05:01:01 PM »
Here's a Facebook account of a rider getting done for a helmet mounted camera.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=716485411703444&set=gm.401446156625431&type=1&theater

Looks like that's the end of that fun too, kiddies.
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2013, 08:55:47 AM »
These infringements always have two sides and I would want to hear the whole story before I would jump to any conclusions.
QLD HP are currently assessing a large range of helmet cams to determine the one that best suits their needs.
I agree there does seem to be different laws for the police at times however there is always the underlying "Public perception" that usually demands common sense.
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2013, 09:01:12 AM »
I have spoken to 3 different members of the qld police about this one, they have all so said there is nothing to this, no law what so ever in qld
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2013, 10:27:14 AM »
been given stick and must use no matter legality. not brushing all law enforcement the same just some over zealous power filled individuals 
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2013, 04:52:27 PM »
I can understand how a camera mounted to the top of the helmet like that may interfere with the safety of the helmet in an accident.

I don't think i'd ever put one on the top of my helmet.
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2013, 08:09:13 PM »
I'd imagine mounting it on top is safer then on the side, due to contact from the top of the helmet would be less likely.
 
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2013, 08:34:27 PM »
Hmm I suppose, but then again Marcus it'll all depend how you come off to.

I think I'll leave mine attached to the bike.
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2014, 02:52:27 AM »
No problems so far in WA, I wear my contour on the side of my helmet and the police dont seem to mind.

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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2014, 07:45:43 PM »
I have spoken to 3 different members of the qld police about this one, they have all so said there is nothing to this, no law what so ever in qld
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You have been misinformed drastically.  There is a law in Queensland, and it comes from the Australian Standards of not letting anything rise greater than 50mm (??) from the helmet surface as an attachment.  This is why the whole country is experiencing this, because it is part of AS1698 (Helmet Specs). 

Don't know if the officers you spoke to were 'Real' Police (aka Road Policing Unit) that actually know about road rules or not, but it has been suggested that we should assess each case on individual basis as to whether there is justification. 

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These infringements always have two sides and I would want to hear the whole story before I would jump to any conclusions.
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2014, 08:12:12 PM »
Streak 

You have been misinformed drastically.  There is a law in Queensland, and it comes from the Australian Standards of not letting anything rise greater than 50mm (??) from the helmet surface as an attachment.  This is why the whole country is experiencing this, because it is part of AS1698 (Helmet Specs). 

Don't know if the officers you spoke to were 'Real' Police (aka Road Policing Unit) that actually know about road rules or not, but it has been suggested that we should assess each case on individual basis as to whether there is justification. 


I spoke to local officers here about it, well I shall stand corrected  :thumb
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2014, 09:17:37 PM »
50 mm is a fair bit.  Aren't some of the cameras narrower than that (e.g. for side mounting?)
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2014, 09:19:34 PM »
The drift Cams would be about 30mm, GoPros 75???
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2014, 04:55:49 PM »
Sorry fellas typo - it is 5mm not 50mm protrusion.  The Australian Standards also talk about the concern for Structural Integrity (so drilling a hole through the helmet for a mount) and also the safety or the rider with the mounting (e.g. a full size TV camera mounted on your helmet causing you to look skywards because if it's weight etc). 

Because this is an Australian Standard it applies to every State and Territory. 

Having said that I have a camera mounted on my work helmet, and also on my personal helmet because our general instruction is not to enforce unless failure to comply with above (e.g. safety) and a Drift or GoPro won't do that generally. 
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2014, 11:36:32 AM »
Thanks for taking the time to clear this up for us Tackleberry :-++ :-++ :-++
The law makes a bit more sense now that you've explained the reasoning behind it :think1 :think1

...a full size TV camera mounted on your helmet causing you to look skywards because of it's weight etc..

I don't doubt there are some out there that would have given this a go :eek (some people are idiots :fp)


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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2014, 01:58:24 PM »
Hi Sabie.........I have a Drift Ghost which I sometimes mount to the top of my helmet, it mounts sideways so doesn't stick up very far at all. I don't believe it would interfere with the safety of the helmet at all because if the helmet were to be involved in any accident, or even dropped to the ground, the camera would simply smash or break away from the helmet. I personally think it's far more dangerous to wear an open face helmet than to have a camera sitting up top............but then, that's another story hey! :grin
PS: I would never drill a hole through the helmet to mount a camera though!!

I can understand how a camera mounted to the top of the helmet like that may interfere with the safety of the helmet in an accident.

I don't think i'd ever put one on the top of my helmet.
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2014, 05:06:15 PM »
Clarification on legality of helmet-mounted cameras
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BY MARK HINCHLIFFEIN TIPS/TRAINING — 1 JAN, 2014
20140101-165833.jpgIf you are fined for having a GoPro or similar camera mounted to your motorcycle helmet, fight it.
A complaint on Facebook says a rider in Victoria was fined for wearing a Go Pro on their helmet and there have been unsubstantiated claims that riders In Queensland have been harassed by police for having cameras on their helmets.
[RECOMMENDED READING: What to do if pulled over by the police] However, there is no law against fitting anything to a helmet, so long as it does not corrupt the “structural integrity” of the helmet, which means you can’t drill holes in the helmet.
Cameras that are stuck, fitted via a suction cap, or screwed to the side via a clamp are fine. So are Bluetooth units attached in a similar fashion.
So if you are issued a ticket for having a camera fitted in this fashion, take a photo of the helmet at the time of the ticket being issued, don’t pay the fine, and fight the offence.
The Australian Standards says that no protrusion of greater than 5mm is allowed, but that refers to the manufacturing process as opposed to aftermarket products such as cameras and Bluetooth.
If a camera or other device is screwed into the helmet by drilling holes then it is interfering with the structural integrity of the helmet and the safety of the rider, and an offence is committed.
[In Queensland it is an offence for riders under the Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Road Rules) Regulation 2009 Section 270 (1) (a) Wearing motorbike helmets; and for for passengers it is under Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Road Rules) Regulation 2009 Section 271(2).] In Queensland, the penalty is $330 and three points. Queensland police did not have any records of anyone being fined.
It would be strange if they did fine anyone for such an offence given recent comments suggesting cyclists fit them to their helmets to collect evidence of drivers intimidating them on the roads.
If you have been fined for this offence, please leave your comment in the box below.
Also, be aware that police may and have confiscated helmet cams for evidence of traffic offences.
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2016, 01:20:32 PM »
Just adding to this after I spoke to one of our resident SAPOL girls today.

With the hassle with cams in Victoria and some other states I asked about the SA Police view. She saw no problem as other officers also used cams on their helmets. With her wanting to know more I explained that when the standards were changed it allowed for a 5mm limit for out side attachments to the helmet which we now have with various air vents being allowed on a helmet. The mount that gets stuck to the helmet doesn't modify the helmet in anyway and is fairly close to 5mm but with the cam on that height is exceeded and could be seen as a permanent fixture by some.  She understands the issue but doesn't know much more than her current knowledge. With that being said she herself became curious and will take it up with Police traffic branch and get back to me in the near future.
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Re: Helmet mounted cameras illegal in Vic. Elsewhere too?
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2016, 11:06:12 PM »
Anita (Police Officer) rang me today.

The word from the SAPOL Traffic Branch is that providing a cam mounted to the helmet isn't a permanent attachment then we are fine. A stick on mount is fine. On the other hand if you drilled holes in your helmet then that becomes a modification which might see you in trouble.

This is a guess on my part but I would see the same status would apply to rider communication mounts as well.
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