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My ST1300 written off
« on: December 14, 2013, 07:14:02 PM »
I had an off last week and the nominated repairers have sent the bike to Pickles for the assessor to look at it on Monday, but the repairer told me that it is on obvious write-off with a bent frame.

My insurance did not cover gear and luggage etc, as I removed it, but over the last few months, I have added many bits and pieces that I am saying are accessories, and I want them back, at least those that are un-damaged, which is most of them. For example, I have a Corbin seat, a towbar, Touratech GPS holder, and quite a few other smaller items that I'd like to recover. I've spoken to a couple of the InsureMyRide customer support people, and they have agreed in principle to me doing this, but as the bike is at Pickles, Pickles require authorisation from InsureMyRide to allow access for me. All good so far, and currently, an assessor will be assigned on Monday, and I was told to ask the assessor about getting access to the bike to remove those parts that I've personally added. My whole point here is that I will swap out some items that should be on the bike, like the seat, and remove those that were added by me. All OK so far.

Prior to speaking to the assessor on Monday, I'd like to draw on any experience anyone has had in similar situations. Technically, I own the bike until I receive a cheque from InsureMyRide, so I'm assuming that if my access to the bike is granted to remove some of these items, I would be able to remove whatever I have added to the bike, and also, whatever I have changed on the bike, replacing the parts with originals. Pickles told me that it is likely to be between Mon and Thursday where they allow access.

There are many items that I'd like to remove, but probably can't due to the time and tools required (TPMS sensors in the tyres, fairing and mirror deflectors etc), so I'll have to wear those.

So the main question I have, is what is the assessor likely to allow me to remove and/or replace? I'd assume they will auction the bike, mainly for the engine, wheels etc, and as I don't really want the whole bike if they expect me to pay a couple of $K. My alternative is to remove the bits I want and can remove, and then let it go. Where this gets really difficult for me is that the bike is in Milperra, and I'm in Orange with broken ribs and a bruised lung. At the very least I can get my daughter to drive me down with some tools and the std seats etc, but between her mechanical naievity and my back and ribs, I reckon it might take hours just to get the towbar off.

Does anyone know of a mechanic around there that might be able to do most of the work for me whilst I supervise :whistle :whistle? Hopefully, I'll have a day and time nominated by Monday for me, as I'm off work, I can make the drive down and day without too much risk. All of my mates up here are at work and I'm looking at a 6 hour return trip, and probably 3-4 hours of de-farkling!



 

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2013, 07:30:08 PM »
Wow guy not the best situation but hopefully we have a few members that could come to your assistance....... Heres to a speedy and painless recovery :beer.....Cheers Brian.
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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2013, 07:32:09 PM »
Andrew,

"anything is possible, but miracles take longer"

Milperra is just around the corner from me. 

PM me so we can try and work in with my shifts, (Sun-Mon = dayshift * Tue-Wed = nightshift) more than happy to help in anyway.



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My ST1300 written off
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2013, 07:58:23 PM »
Good on ya Abe, you my friend have once again shown that you are a LEGEND :thumb and have shown what a great asset to the club you are :thumbs

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« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2013, 08:47:36 PM »
Many thanks Shiney for your comments.

I believe if I cannot help a person in need when is required, then I have been doing the wrong job for too many years.

I try and look at the glass as being half full.

There may be other OZSTOC members that can help  toooooo??
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2013, 08:58:31 PM »
Abe, Shiney is just backing up the fantastic opinion I have of you mate, everything you do is what embodies the what each and every OzSTOC member should be about, paying it forward, and never to busy to help a mate.

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2013, 09:36:51 PM »
PM sent, Abe.

Absolutely brilliant, this club and the helping hands that are offered so often :thumb :thumb :thumb ! Abe's kind offer takes one less worry off my mind as there is no way my daughter and I could do it by ourselves. Pretty cute when she said "just tell me what tools to use and we'll be right!"

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2013, 09:45:35 PM »
Andrew your daughter has a heart of gold.  o:)

Between nightshifts ?? lets just do it, sleep (who needs it, over rated)

All good for Tuesday, or Wednesday, if you want to plan.

Do you and your daughter need a place to stay/food/amenities etc whilst in Sydney??

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2013, 12:04:50 AM »
Dave you will always be my hero ;)

Well done a extra drink in the Ballarat cabin for this kind helping hand and some extra hot beef jerky from WA late in the night

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2013, 01:33:03 AM »
and some extra hot beef jerky from WA late in the night

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You may want to rephrase that Turtle...... Hahahaha.
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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2013, 08:12:47 AM »
Andrew your daughter has a heart of gold.  o:)

Between nightshifts ?? lets just do it, sleep (who needs it, over rated)

All good for Tuesday, or Wednesday, if you want to plan.

Do you and your daughter need a place to stay/food/amenities etc whilst in Sydney??

Abe, I think we'll do a day run down and back, but thanks so much for the kind thoughts. I'll get back to you sometime on Monday with some dates,

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2013, 08:32:16 AM »
I must say that I very surprised that the insurance company will even let you touch the bike. I my experience (with cars) apart from letting you remove personal items, it's hands off unless you have a buy back option. In this, the assessor makes a judgement on the value of the bike if it goes to auction and you agree to pay the insurer that amount to keep the wreck.

Consider the insure's perspective. They insure the bike for X. Its a write-off. They have to get back as much of X as they can at auction to minimise their loss. The owner comes along and takes all the "good bits" off the bike. Bike now only gets X minus "Good bits" at auction. Insurer losses money. Their argument would be that if the "good bits" are worth Y then Y should have been added to the current policy.

I would really check your policy before touching the bike otherwise you may find it is grounds for the insurer to cancel the payout completely.

I hope I'm wrong, and I hope you are able to get back all your stuff.
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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2013, 08:53:37 AM »
Sorry to hear about your loss.

In the past I've always informed the insurance company of any changes. I hit a roo on the Border run this year and got some stupid questions asked of me because the laws are different between Eastern states and Western Australia. I can see your problem with the insurance company and what right do they have in keeping stuff they aren't paying for.

Unfortunately, insurance companies are a necessary evil.

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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2013, 09:31:15 AM »
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Hi Andrew, I can also come help Dave :thumb and you with DE-Farkling your bike if you need extra hands,
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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2013, 10:28:54 AM »
Winston 66,
Well this is a bit of a minefield ,is it not?
I am with Shannons and so far I can not fault their business model,
I have just purchased another toy, a 2006 ST1300  ex police model with 91000 k's . On pick up I just phoned shannons and obtained  effective immediately their restricted use cover , on the new ride,over the phone,   this was at an  agreed market value of $13,000 .
That is three bikes and two cars that I have with them now.
The point that I wanted to make is this.
The one leading question that they asked me and qualified was,  What accessories do you have fitted to the machine? my answer to that was .There are none, the motorcycle is  stock standard and in good order and running condition.
So my premise is this , that if I make any changes or modifications or add any accessories I will always advise the insurers and then pay any supplementary premium costs in regard to the listed policy changes.
For example I have notified them that one of my other rides is fitted with a car tire, (in their words a motor vehicle tire) on the rear wheel, A darkside), and that another ride , the Yamaha Royal Star  that I have accessorized with my bolt on trike adaption kit ,  this ride, is also fitted with (motor vehicle tires on the outrigger wheels)
To their credit Shannons did not make any comments about these notifications, and  when the policies were amended  to take these modifications into effect there were no costings changes made, and when I queried  them about the validity of my going to the Darkside with the car tires their answer was. They would cover and insure anything in this regard so long as the alteration was a legal modification.
I am not trying to give any advise to anyone , but however this is my experience, and and This is what works for me.
I guess that in the end , all that really matters  and what needs to be considered ,is that the devil is in the detail ,and that once bitten by so called legalities one has to be really careful in any dealings of this sort.
Atoyot,
I do hope that your situation is worked out amicably for you and that you come out on the right side.

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2013, 10:34:24 AM »
Thanks for those thoughts, as I can certainly understand where the underwriters are coming from. Fortunately, I think that InsureMyRide is a little more progressive when it comes to accessories and additions. I'm pretty happy that they are agreeable (at this stage) to me removing some of the items, but none of them are likely to help the auction price up. Just like accessories don't increase the value of a 2nd hand bike, they don't help with a bent frame write off like mine. Most of these types of bikes are bought for their engine/wheels and other major components, but even then, many engines are used in buggies etc, most of which run a chain.

I did indicate to them that I would purchase the wreck if I could not remove my towbar and seat, so I guess I'll just have to wait til Monday. If they do the right thing by me, I'll do the right thing by them. If they aren't reasonable, then I'll vote with my feet and use a specialist company next time.

As far as informing them of any changes, I'm not sure what they would have done, as most of the changes have been very small, and would not affect the salvageable value of the vehicle. I'd also argue that some of the accessories are things that are designed to be removed, such as my TPMS monitor, as I use it on my other bike. Things like RAM mounts as well, I move between bikes. When I bought this bike, it had no accessories. I have added some accessories and modified very few parts, but each one of them would have increased the value of the bike pro-rata by small amounts.

As I've already said, I think that insure my ride is more in tune with what motorcyclists might want, and balancing that with their need to turn a profit, I think that they can succeed. I'm happy so far with them, and I was just asking for opinions, so I'll post back how I go.
 

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2013, 11:45:41 AM »
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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2013, 03:08:54 PM »
Hi John, good find! I've read plenty of tests but no direct comparisons yet.
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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2013, 04:41:33 PM »
Hi Andrew, sorry to hear about your downing...

Abe's a good man in a noble profession, good onya Dave.

I wish you a speedy recovery with no lasting problems. Having come off a bike (not the ST) myself I can understand how you feel and the pain your suffering.

I'm a long long way away, but if there's anything I can do gives us a holler.
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2013, 05:11:02 PM »
And this right here is why we are Family....

Glad to be apart of the great Comradeship that continually evolves when things like this happen.

Well done to all involved in helping out.  :clap :thumbsup :rockon
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2013, 06:27:26 PM »
Hear Hear! I'm not usually in a position where I need help, and truly, to have all these offers to assist on a weekday humbles me. That's just what bike riders do for each other ; look after our own.

To Sabie and others, the recovery is going great. Every new day I get a new pain in a new location, so it seems it's moving on. The bruises are now turning the colours of the rainbow, and these Oxy-somethin capsules are just sooooo good. Downside; You cannot live on prunes alone. Are there any plummers on this forum?   :crackup :rofl :rofl :crackup Ouch! I've really got to stop laughing at my sick constipation jokes.

I look forward to meeting those I haven't met in person yet in March on the new ST, as I slowly start to procure it and get it ready for the AGM.

Thanks again, all,

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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2013, 07:26:41 PM »
Mate, not good to hear about your off.  Glad your not too seriously hurt.  I hope you have a speedy recovery from here in out.

I'm sure Robert won't mind if you borrow his bike to get around in the interim!  :grin

If there's anything I can help with let me know though it appears the kind folk on this site are doing a great job looking after you.

Cheers,

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Re: My ST1300 written off
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2013, 09:04:18 PM »
Hey Tony, I've been meaning to catch up with you for a while now. Looks like I've got a few more weeks of not being at work, but I'm not overly motivated to do much at home at this time other than read. I was actually talking to Bob today, but it seems we've run out of weekends this year for a ride.

I've got the 2nd bike covered, as I can just use my MT-01 commuter bike in the interim, once my ribs are up to the shaking the thing does.

I might give you a ring tomorrow if you are around?

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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2013, 06:19:37 AM »


I'll be around Andrew.  Practically a man of leisure at the moment!

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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2013, 06:23:40 AM »
Hey Andrew
While your convelesing you might like to tell the story of how this all came about.... Embellish a little or a lot .... but leave out the bit with sharks and 'there was this tornado'..... Cheers Brian
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