Author Topic: Re Cruise Control (Read 21617 times)

JuST Peter · « **on:** September 30, 2014, 08:45:36 PM »

Something I've been looking at for quite some time, and more so now the hands are getting stiffer (and sorer)…..Cruise control, similar to Pezz'.

Just ordered these:
http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=369

Not being terribly mechanical minded, I've asked The Bringellian (Mike Woodward) the local Farkle Fitter, to fit it up for me.

Biggles · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2014, 09:04:12 PM »

Everyone will be interested to read about the installation and operation.
At 1/4 the price of the MCC, it's tempting, I'm sure. And not requiring the vacuum canister will make it a tidier looking job.
OzSTOC members might even become to recognised source of installation instructions for STs, as there are other types mentioned on the webpage.

alans1100 · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2014, 09:17:53 PM »

I've looked at this as well and both units are the same but going to the Rostra site shows some options that might assist with installation.

The unit uses a coast option so there's no need to tap the brake like you do with MC

http://www.rostra.com/universal-aftermarket-cruise-control-by-rostra.php

Mainly getting the speed signal.

Magnets are fine in most cases but depending on speedo cable size it maybe possible to install a speed generator on the rear of the speedo though not sure what sort of interference that would occur..

Part number 250-4160 which would normally be fitted on the gearbox and the OEM cable fitted to that.

I'm not sure why MC cruise doesn't do this and do away with magnets.

ST2UP · « **Reply #3 on:** September 30, 2014, 09:54:18 PM »

and

with just a little

Cheers

JuST Peter · « **Reply #4 on:** October 01, 2014, 04:28:04 AM »

Just to clear things a little, I've ordered the optional control pad as it has the "engaged" indicator ($50-00) lit up when in use, plus shipping which will cost $60-00 but they use US Priority Mail which provides a tracking number and, in their words, "is generally fast through customs".
Having used this option when I had my business, orders usually land here in about a week, so it's worth it
Still a cheaper option for me than the MC Cruise

As for installation, I'll be taking plenty of pics and documenting any and all tips as we find them

Shiney · « **Reply #5 on:** October 01, 2014, 08:56:37 AM »

Awesome stuff mate, I'm looking forward to seeing how it all works out

cravenhaven · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2014, 08:29:23 AM »

Interesting. If it doesnt use a vacuum cylinder then how does it control the throttle?.

alans1100 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2014, 10:49:52 AM »

Quote from: cravenhaven on October 06, 2014, 08:29:23 AM

Interesting. If it doesnt use a vacuum cylinder then how does it control the throttle?.

This one is fully electronic and works much like "drive by wire" in cars these days.

The cable is controlled by a small electric motor inside the control unit which also has the computer as well.

HunterTodd · « **Reply #8 on:** October 06, 2014, 12:28:34 PM »

Quote from: alans1100 on October 06, 2014, 10:49:52 AM

Quote from: cravenhaven on October 06, 2014, 08:29:23 AM
Interesting. If it doesnt use a vacuum cylinder then how does it control the throttle?.

This one is fully electronic and works much like "drive by wire" in cars these days.

The cable is controlled by a small electric motor inside the control unit which also has the computer as well.

ow does it attach to the cable?

alans1100 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2014, 01:10:07 PM »

Quote from: HunterTodd on October 06, 2014, 12:28:34 PM

ow does it attach to the cable?

Read through an the install here. Basic install would be the same on most cars/bikes and the same as a vacuum controlled unit. Only the throttle connection might vary (different options supplied) and no vacuum line to worry about.

http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/docs/Rostra%20install.htm

JuST Peter · « **Reply #10 on:** October 06, 2014, 04:58:37 PM »

I spoke to Mike Woodward (The Bringellian - my farkle fitter) yesterday, who indicated it was "a piece of cake"

so it appears it's not gunna take long to hook up. One interesting thing I noted on the US site was they had the control unit mounted on the right near the throttle - seemed a bit odd considering you have to have the speed up to apply the cruise - maybe the yanks have really long fingers

JuST Peter · « **Reply #11 on:** October 15, 2014, 07:48:38 PM »

My cruise control package arrived today

so fingers crossed it should be installed within the next couple of weekends.

A detailed instal with photos will follow

alans1100 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 15, 2014, 08:53:33 PM »

I could no doubt do most of the install myself except for the throttle connection.

In 1995 I tried fitting a cruise to the car we had but I couldn't get the throttle link right. I ended up getting my supervisor from to come around. Three months later the unit failed and we got a new one professionally installed

Shiney · « **Reply #13 on:** October 16, 2014, 03:52:56 AM »

Quote from: JuST Peter on October 15, 2014, 07:48:38 PM

My cruise control package arrived today so fingers crossed it should be installed within the next couple of weekends.

A detailed instal with photos will follow

JuST Peter · « **Reply #14 on:** October 31, 2014, 08:47:38 AM »

There's been a slight delay as Mike has found a pulse divider is required since the ST runs at 80,000 ppm and the Rostra will only go as high as 40,000.
We found the part required on the Rostra site but couldn't find a dealer, as they don't sell to the public, until I suggested we ask Google.
Good ol' eBay…….it should be here in about a week

Pezzz · « **Reply #15 on:** October 31, 2014, 08:54:25 AM »

Yeah mine on hold due to work and life getting in the way .... sigh. ...

JuST Peter · « **Reply #16 on:** October 31, 2014, 09:21:27 AM »

We've also found a wealth of information about the Rostra electronic cruise control on the ST Owners (US) website, and in one thread alone, there's 20 pages of posts, so there's heaps of help there too.

Greencan · « **Reply #17 on:** November 01, 2014, 06:59:18 AM »

Mornin' All...

The one item that sets the MC Cruise from all other motorcycle cruise controls is their patent Cable Interface Unit (CIU), so that throttle / cruise can work collectively and independantly similtaneously. It's a very clever invention by the Guymer boys.

Cheers the can :-)

Lionel · « **Reply #18 on:** November 01, 2014, 07:16:38 AM »

One of the FAQs on the Rostra web site. http://www.rostra.com/universal-aftermarket-cruise-control-by-rostra.php

Q: Can I install Rostra's Global Cruise system on a motorcycle or ATV?A: At Rostra, we love seeing the inventive ways in which our customers apply products that we manufacture to a variety applications. But, while a number of online forums exist that detail the multitude of installation options for our products on non-passenger vehicle modes of transportation, due to safety concerns surrounding these installations, we do not actively support these applications. Our technical support is provided through extensive real-world testing that at this time does not include working with said vehicles.

Just like going over to the dark side. Car tyres are not recommended for motorbikes but plenty of riders use them.

JuST Peter · « **Reply #19 on:** November 01, 2014, 08:55:46 AM »

Quote from: Greencan on November 01, 2014, 06:59:18 AM

Mornin' All...

The one item that sets the MC Cruise from all other motorcycle cruise controls is their patent Cable Interface Unit (CIU), so that throttle / cruise can work collectively and independantly similtaneously. It's a very clever invention by the Guymer boys.

Cheers the can :-)

Well, the one item that keeps me from installing an MC Cruise is the cost. I can only spend what I can afford

JuST Peter · « **Reply #20 on:** November 01, 2014, 09:00:11 AM »

Quote from: Lionel on November 01, 2014, 07:16:38 AM

One of the FAQs on the Rostra web site. http://www.rostra.com/universal-aftermarket-cruise-control-by-rostra.php

Q: Can I install Rostra's Global Cruise system on a motorcycle or ATV?A: At Rostra, we love seeing the inventive ways in which our customers apply products that we manufacture to a variety applications. But, while a number of online forums exist that detail the multitude of installation options for our products on non-passenger vehicle modes of transportation, due to safety concerns surrounding these installations, we do not actively support these applications. Our technical support is provided through extensive real-world testing that at this time does not include working with said vehicles.

Just like going over to the dark side. Car tyres are not recommended for motorbikes but plenty of riders use them.

Yep, while I'm fully aware that these aren't specifically suited to motorcycles, at the end of the day it's my neck isn't it!

Lionel · « **Reply #21 on:** November 01, 2014, 09:05:55 AM »

My post wasn't a criticism. But the info on the web site probably explains why its not an out-of-the box installation for motorbikes.

JuST Peter · « **Reply #22 on:** November 01, 2014, 09:18:42 AM »

Quote from: Lionel on November 01, 2014, 09:05:55 AM

My post wasn't a criticism. But the info on the web site probably explains why its not an out-of-the box installation for motorbikes.

If you go to http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=369 You'll see about halfway down the page, Murphy clearly states these are not designed for motorcycles;

As he states:

Buyers: Be very aware that the cruise controls offered on this site are UNIVERSAL AUTOMOTIVE cruise controls. None of them have been approved for motorcycle application by their respective manufacturers. However, over the years ingenious tinkerers have adapted them to several models of motorcycles. We can not, and will in no way, guarantee they will work on your motorcycle. We are also unable to offer technical support during installation. All sales of cruise controls are final, and under no circumstances will we accept return units. Any warranty issues are covered by the respective manufacturers, and are between you and them.

Furthermore, think carefully about whether or not you have the talent and skill necessary to install this device on your motorcycle. This is by no means a simple installation, and if not done correctly can result in potentially dangerous operating conditions. We cannot emphasize this enough.

We appreciate your understanding.

Murphs

JuST Peter · « **Reply #23 on:** January 13, 2015, 07:01:32 PM »

Installation of said Cruise Control has been put on hold indefinitely due to personal health problems (Prostate Cancer), so I gotta look after myself first
Watch this space!

Lionel · « **Reply #24 on:** January 13, 2015, 07:15:18 PM »

Sorry to hear about your health problems, Peter.
Listen to the experts and I hope to see you back on the bike when you conquer this pestilence.

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