Lithium Ion Batterie

[curious1]

Just replaced on my VTR1000 the Lead Batterie with a Lithium one for $140 deliverd. Weight of Lead Batt is 3.3kg and Lith is .73kg. Works fine and feels a bit odd when installing it. Will this do the job realy? Surprise it does it well just keep my fingers crossed for how long. Anybody got long term experience already?

[Biggles]

I've had one on my ST1300 for 6 months and it still cranks like a beaudy, even after sitting for over a week while I was away.

[STroppy]

$140 huh, that sounds like good price, where from?

[Kev Murphy]

My Li-Ion was around $170, ST 1100 engine now fires up after two cylinders of compression, whereas with the old lead-acid battery, it needed about 3 or 4 revolutions of 4 cylinders each before it fired. Fitted it a few months ago.

[Biggles]

Be aware they range in price directly related to their CCA (Cold Cranking Amps).  I paid $250 for 360CCA
[LFP20CH-BS].  In a nutshell, the more CCA, the better it will start an engine.

[Biggles]

Here's thew numbers in the SSB series:

Part Number   Volts      CCA          Length   Width   Height   Weight (kg)

LFP7A-BS     12           160         150    87               93     0.60
LFP7-B        12           140         120    60              92            0.50
LFP7L-B       12           140         120    60              92            0.50
LFP9B-4             12           190              150    65              92            0.70
LFP9-BS             12           180              150     87            105           0.70
LFP9Q-B             12           180         134     75            133            0.70
LFP12B-4             12           290         150     65              92            1.10
LFP12-BS          12            210         150    87              93            0.80
LFP12Q-B     12            240          134    75            133    0.90
LFP14H-BS     12             290          150    87             93    1.10 
LFP14AHQ-BS     12             290           134    75            133    1.10
LFP20H-BS     12             420           175    87            130    1.70 
LFP20HL-BS     12             420           175    87            130    1.70
LFP20CH-BS     12             360           150    87             93    1.40
LFP30Q-BS     12             540           167    124            163    2.00
LFPZ10-S             12             240           150     87              93    0.90
LFPZ14-S             12             290           150    87              93    1.10
LFPZ5-S             12             150           113    70              85    0.50
LFPZ7-S             12             150           113    70              85    0.60
LFP51913             12             450           181    77             170    1.70
LFPUQ-9             12             300           167    124             163    1.70

You wouldn't believe I just spent 10 minutes formatting this.
The HTML formatting is abominable.  It looks fine in the edit panel.

[Kev Murphy]

Might have been easier to edit in a text file,take a screen shot, and then save it as a jpeg file for posting?

ah darn it... I have nothing better to do, so here you are ... not perfect, but tidied up a little

[Biggles]

Hadn't ever thought of that work-around.  Good thing there's more than one of us with too much spare time!

[alans1100]

If one digs a little deeper one finds the High Performance ones...............the highlighted one is for the 1100

[cravenhaven]

Hmmm!, Not long ago I bought an SSB LFPZ14s for my ST1300, its 290CCA so where does that fit into the numbering scheme?.

[Biggles]

Hmmm!, Not long ago I bought an SSB LFPZ14s for my ST1300, its 290CCA so where does that fit into the numbering scheme?.

Fifth from the bottom in my table.  1.10 kg.

[cravenhaven]

Oops should have looked properly. It would be interesting to know how the numbering scheme works.

[curious1]

$140 huh, that sounds like good price, where from?

Bought on ebay but have not got the seller on hand. This lit is only 180cca but still works fine. Looking for the first rearly cold start.

[Biggles]

Bought on ebay but have not got the seller on hand. This lit is only 180cca but still works fine. Looking for the first rearly cold start.

To give you some idea of what it means, here's the RACV's definition of CCA:

The industry recognised standard for defining starting power is Cold Cranking Amps (CCA). The battery’s ability to perform is measured by the amount of current the battery can deliver at -18°C over 30 seconds, while maintaining a voltage equivalent of 1.2 volts per cell or higher.

Higher rated CCA batteries will last longer and perform better in all vehicles than a lower CCA rated battery.

[curious1]

Lead Batteries drop considerable in CCA in the cold. Lith dont have this problem.

[cravenhaven]

Is that 1.2v/cell correct?. Shouldnt it be 2.2v/cell?

Allan

[saaz]

They don't, but in really cold weather (more like a snowmobile outside in the snow) the Lith batteries may need to be woken up by putting a bit of a load on them (eg lights on) before they can be used to start. This advice is on some websites of the manufacturers. I don't know if this might have chnaged with different types of Lith batteries out there now, and is probably not relevant for motorcycles not parked in the snowfields.

Lead Batteries drop considerable in CCA in the cold. Lith dont have this problem.

[Biggles]

They don't, but in really cold weather (more like a snowmobile outside in the snow) the Lith batteries may need to be woken up by putting a bit of a load on them (eg lights on) before they can be used to start. This advice is on some websites of the manufacturers. I don't know if this might have chnaged with different types of Lith batteries out there now, and is probably not relevant for motorcycles not parked in the snowfields.

We're in the box seat then, with out "always on" headlights leading the "charge" (so to speak).   

[Biggles]

Is that 1.2v/cell correct?. Shouldnt it be 2.2v/cell?

Allan

It's talking about a drop from 2.0 volts/cell to a minimum useful 1.2 volts/cell, i.e. 7.2 volts.