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A BMW in StinkyPete's Shed
« on: April 28, 2018, 09:55:25 PM »
My red ST1300 is no longer the only bike in my shed.   Last week I picked up a low mileage BMW R1200RT at a bargain price, and rode it home from Sydney.   It now it sits quietly beside it's older brother, and so far there have been no fights except for the one going on in my head about who is the favorite.  For the time being, I'll be riding and maintaining two bikes.

My decision to buy was a difficult one, based partly on the growing mileage on my ST upon which I feel so much at home.
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2018, 10:14:33 PM »
Looks ok Pete,

Later model than the new red one I looked at back in 2006 before getting the ST
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2018, 10:41:31 PM »
Very nice Pete  :clap Enjoy  ;-* Now Fish will be able to keep up with you  :grin
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2018, 10:49:18 PM »
...... I picked up a low mileage BMW R1200RT at a bargain price, and rode it home from Sydney.....

Very nice, very nice indeed!!

.... My decision to buy was a difficult one, based partly on the growing mileage on my ST ......

I'll have that dilemma soon, my ST13 is about to crack 40,000km.
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2018, 05:30:29 AM »
Which one will I see at Waikerie?
 

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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2018, 06:51:22 AM »
Which one will I see at Waikerie?

Probably the Beermer, but I'll feel like I'm cheating on the ST by riding another.   :-[
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2018, 07:23:15 AM »
Nice looking bike.

Suppose you'll be fitting yourself out in BMW gear now.   :OldMan :grin
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2018, 07:43:39 AM »
Very nice.   Looks like it will get the job done.   People will now "see" you when on the road as they will think you are a speedy. 
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2018, 08:18:58 AM »
People will now "see" you when on the road as they will think you are a speedy.
Yep.   Coming home from Sydney, and on a ride to Mannum with Chris on Thursday, I'd come up behind a car doing around 110km/h, and as soon as they spotted you, they'd slow to 100km/h.   At least the bike is seen by other road users, which is an advantage of the white bike, and one of the reasons I bought white.   The other BMW colours are all dull "Urban Camo".
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2018, 08:21:39 AM »
Congrats Pete hard to go past the Bavarian  ;-*

This very situation has been played out for sometime now behind OzSToc keyboards everywhere....and it will continue thanks to Mr. Honda  :H

It still has me bewildered that Honda is only interested in supporting the crotch rocket or luxury touring market in Aust.


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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2018, 08:24:37 AM »
Suppose you'll be fitting yourself out in BMW gear now.   :OldMan :grin

I hope not!  I've bought a Beemer, not turned into a w@#$%&.    :grin
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2018, 08:37:47 AM »
I am not wanting to be like a buzzard circling over your faithful ST.  But if you decide to pass her on to another rider and want a standard seat to put on her please let me know.  A seat swap with appropriate compensation could be organised.   
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2018, 08:39:28 AM »
There are very limited options left for decent and classic touring bikes.

Honda only has the Goldwing, but at $45k new, that not an option for mortals.
Kawasaki's GTR riding position is far too sporty for me but suits some people
Yamaha's FJR riding position is far too sporty but also suits some people
Triumph has dropped the very well appointed Trophy
Metric Cruisers & Harleys don't do it for me, but some models are capable bikes for the long roads
BMW seems to be a manufacturer that still thinks about riders who want classic tourers

I'm going away for a few days with Fish and another chap that I tour with, and I'll write a review of the R1200RT when I get home.
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2018, 08:46:39 AM »
I am not wanting to be like a buzzard circling over your faithful ST.  But if you decide to pass her on to another rider and want a standard seat to put on her please let me know.  A seat swap with appropriate compensation could be organised.

I'll keep your offer in the back of my mind, but have no plans yet.   I actually have an OEM seat on the way as I was going to get an RDL seat, but that plan is on hold
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2018, 12:16:41 PM »
I suppose a man is entitled to change his mind. Looks great I will have to admit.
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2018, 01:55:32 PM »
Looks like a good bike mate :thumbsup
I'm looking forward to reading your review on it after the trip :popcorn

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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2018, 06:05:52 PM »
There are very limited options left for decent and classic touring bikes.

Honda only has the Goldwing, but at $45k new, that not an option for mortals.
Kawasaki's GTR riding position is far too sporty for me but suits some people
Yamaha's FJR riding position is far too sporty but also suits some people
Triumph has dropped the very well appointed Trophy
Metric Cruisers & Harleys don't do it for me, but some models are capable bikes for the long roads
BMW seems to be a manufacturer that still thinks about riders who want classic tourers

I'm going away for a few days with Fish and another chap that I tour with, and I'll write a review of the R1200RT when I get home.
I think you should add CF Moto to the list.
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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2018, 06:31:09 PM »
I looked at a CF Moto before buying the kwaka.  I sat on it and had to lean somewhat forward to reach the handle bars and decided that is something I don't want to do for eight hours in a day.
 

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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2018, 07:30:27 PM »

I think you should add CF Moto to the list.
This is mine I bought to replace the burnt 1100.
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Would love to hear how you have found the CF Moto. How long have you had her? How many k's you've put on her? Any negatives so far?
I guess we will all be looking for alternatives sooner or later. Not sure I will be looking for a tourer for my next bike however I would love to hear your opinion on the baby Chinese ST.  :grin
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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2018, 07:48:28 PM »
Nice bike BTW Pete.  :thumb  Just a little bit jealous.
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2018, 08:14:01 PM »
I am not wanting to be like a buzzard circling over your faithful ST.  But if you decide to pass her on to another rider and want a standard seat to put on her please let me know.  A seat swap with appropriate compensation could be organised.

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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2018, 09:11:26 AM »
Congratulations STinkyPete...nice looking Bavarian  :clap
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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2018, 11:44:37 AM »
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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2018, 06:20:28 PM »
That’s one imposing looking Sports Tourer you’ve picked up Pete ...........I had an 1100rt years ago prior to buying my first ST13 and it was a really nice bike to ride, tour or scratching around the twisties putting many a sports rider to shame. Cheers Brian
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Re: An addition to StinkyPete's Shed
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2018, 05:16:53 PM »
2016 BMW R1200RT LC
Pete's Review
BMW's R1200RT is one of their range of dedicated touring bikes.  I bought mine second hand from Sydney and have since put around 2,500 km on it.   My 2016 R1200RT is the current generation of the bike, with the liquid cooled horizontally opposed boxer engine.

Basic Specs
Engine      Horizontally Opposed 1170cc Twin, EFI
Power      92 kW
Torque      125 Nm
Fuel Capacity   25 lt, giving a range of around 550km
Tyre Size   Front: 120/70-ZR17    Rear: 180/55-ZR17
Weight      275 kg with a full load of fuel
Brakes      Brembo 4 piston front & two piston rear, with ABS
Gears      Six speed box, with quick-shifter

It comes with....
Cruise control
Heated grips and seats
Anti lock and combined brakes
Adjustable traction control
Electronic adjustable suspension & shock absorbers
Automatic hill starts
Alarm
Central Locking to panniers, gloveboxes and top box
Integrated Garmin GPS, controlled from the handlebar
Quick Shifter (clutchless gear changes)
Tyre Pressure Monitors
Bluetooth, Radio, MP3, iPhone connection
Adjustable height screen
All the system monitoring that you could possibly think of, including engine oil level, coolant temp, ambient temp, battery voltage, gear indicator, range to empty, current and average fuel consumption.

My Riding Impressions
This is a lot of bike in a relatively small package.   I've found the reasonably flat stock seat quite comfortable and even when set on the higher setting, and I can still get my feet flat on the ground.

The windscreen is reasonable, but I do get some buffeting around my neck which causes noise, and therefore I've ordered a Puig screen, which has a recurve at the top, much like the ST's BikeQuip screen.   See https://puig.tv/en/tuning-motos/windscreens-for-fairing-bikes/touring-screen?bike=11773 

The riding position is very much a sit up straight position and my feet seem a little further forward that on the ST, so I don't have as much bend in my knees.   It feels very similar to the ST.

The bike is significantly lighter than the ST and drops readily and quickly into corners, and is very stable through bumpy corners with no tendency to bump steer.

While she came with the small BMW top box,  I suspect that I'm going to need a larger one, as it's pretty dinky.   The large BMW top box is pretty well out of the question as it's around $1,600, so I'll be investigating after market if I can't get on with the existing unit.

Fuel consumption is excellent, and I don't know what it's running on, but I don't think it is the petrol I'm putting in the tank.   Since picking it up from Sydney, I've averaged just 4.5 l/100km, giving a seriously impressive range of around 550km.  The countdown to empty seems pretty accurate and quickly updates as speed and riding conditions change.

The on board GPS is a Garmin, and interfaces with the bikes controls, so zoom and some other functions can be controlled from the handlebar.  The bikes clock also takes it's data from the GPS, so when you go from one time-zone to another, the bikes clock changes automatically.

Normal gear changes are sweet and crisp, but it's taking me a while to get used to the six speed box and the revised shift points, as the engine response of the twin is quite different to the V4 of the ST.  The quick-shifter is pretty weird to get accustomed to.  The changes up from the low gears are harsh and I don't use them, but going up into 4,5 or 6 is smooooth and fast.   Down shifts with the quickshifter are smooooth and sweet but must be done when the throttle is closed.   

The audio system works via Bluetooth or through the on board speakers.  It has the ability to play MP3's from a USB stick, hard connection to an iPhone, or FM/AM radio.  Sound quality from the on-board speakers is excellent.

It is a lot of bike, with a lot of features and gadgetry, which could easily be a distraction until you settle into knowing the bike.

I love it......

Further Impressions after riding a 1200km in 24 hours FarRide
I've just got home after a FarRide to Glendambo SA, which for me was a 1200km ride from 0330hrs to 1930hrs, with a couple of long breaks, so here's some further comments based upon that experience.

Lights   The R1200RT has two 55watt H1 headlights, and these are actually pretty good, but not what I have become accustomed to with the light upgrades on my ST.   The lights gave a good spread of light on the sides of the road, and an acceptable throw down the road, such that I was quite comfortable sitting at 90km/h in the dark.  The only wildlife I spotted was a fox on a road kill, and I had bags of time to avoid it.  For night riders, lights are like drugs, and the more you have, you always want more.    I'll probably install some spotties.

Instruments   The instrument panel has nice big round analogue speedo and tacho, and the warning and other displays are bright LCD's that are highly visible and easy to read both at night and in full sun.  The GPS display dims automatically as it gets darker and this feature, while to can be overridden, works well.  However the GPS, even on full brightness, was hard to see in full sun when the sun was shining directly onto the display.  I suspect this would be an issue with any GPS.

Left Switch Block   The left side switch block has a lot of controls which are close together, including Hi/Lo beam, hazard button, DRL button, Menu selector for various controls, screen control, indicators and horn.   It's no trouble to operate in daylight, but at night and while wearing thick winter gloves, it was difficult to select and operate some of the controls, and I would often lower the screen at the same time as selecting a menu option.   No such problem with thinner mid-season gloves.   Hi/Low Beam switch is simple to operate and was not a problem to find and operate, even with thick gloves.

Screen   The OEM screen actually worked pretty well, and while a little noisier than I have become accustomed to, it was not too bad.   However, I am changing it.   I have not experienced how the OEM screen performs in rain

Seat and Bars   While initially the seat seems reasonable, I did get very butt-sore after sitting for 300km.   It could perhaps benefit from a sheepskin, beadrider, airhawk, or a treatment by MJM.  I found the position of the bars to be initially pretty comfortable for the first 1,000km, but by the time I got home, I has some pain in my neck and shoulders.   I experienced something similar with the ST, which was resolved by fitting risers, so I'll be chasing some risers to bring the bars back a little.

Fuel Range    At a constant 112km/h, and in no wind, the fuel range to empty for the 25 lt  tank was 450km.  At 100km/h it would not be difficult to achieve a range of 550km

For a bike, straight out of the box with no mods, the R1200RT performed very well as a touring bike.   In it's OEM configuration, it's very well suited for "normal" touring with 500km days and little country night running, there being no need to make any changes or additions.  FarRiders and IBA riders will always tweak there bike to improve it for their particular style of riding, and I'll be no different.  My first mod will be a different screen and I'll be investigating some risers.  Seat and Lighting will be done down the track.

2021 Update
I now have over 75,000km on the RT, and have done a few farkles.   See  https://ozstoc.com/index.php?topic=4592.msg1239570#msg1239570
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