ST1100 - Ebay - Sydney

[Abe]

It is a 2000AY (ex Qld Police) bike but the speedo does not have the added kilometre increments??? Like Brocks and Saaz'z (and others) bikes, is it a new speedo??

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2000-model-Honda-ST1100-sport-touring-motorcycle-with-many-extras-/160992031717?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item257bdf73e5

Cheers

[saaz]

I would say the speedo has been changed at some stage as all police models have the 2kph increments to allow for the accurate booking of people!  There should be a sticker under the lockable cover with the last verification of the speedo (Lionel's ST11 is ex Qld police and has the sticker).  It has had all the work done to it with lots of extras (a few pictures of the setup would be nice), just depends whether it is closer to 150,000kms when the timing belt needs changing  Saying that, Lionels 2002 ST11 had the belt changed at 200,000kms so a bit of a safety margin).  If the bike rides well and sounds fine, it may be a good buy as no work seems to be needed to set it up.

[Lionel]

I have a 2000 ST1100 - ex NSW police - 44,000 kms when purchased at auction - now 243,000 kms on the clock (genuine police speedo). Timing belt changed at 175,000 kms
And a 2002 ST1100 - ex Qld police - 79,000 kms when purchased at auction - now over 200,000 kms (genuine police speedo). Timing belt just changed.
I'd be suspicious of a 2000 model with such low kms because of the non-police speedo face.
Tackleberry would be the one to ask.

[Brock]

It may be Ex police, it looks like it, but that isnt the original speedo, so who knows how many true Ks it has.

[alans1100]

VIN number stated in ad comes out to a 2000  Australian model police bike so it's a PY model.......not AY as the A equals ABS

http://www.cmsnl.com/search/vin.php?spbmbrand=HO&spbmmodel=&spbmvin=jh2sc26u8ym100087&Button_DoSearch=Search

[Abe]

Just looked at the bike, fairly new timing belt, water pump, shims, carb sync.  CB installed by Dale McLean.

The speedo was on the bike when he purchased it 8 years ago.  I wonder if it is the bloke that bought Biggles old bike.

Overall bike is in good condition, cold start no choke.  Will need tyres soon.  Also comes with helmet comms to suit the autocom.

Jon is a "Ulysses's" member.

Card not left as I forgot, so I'll go and pick up20 papers in the playground as my punishment.

Cheers
Dave

[Tackleberry]

I would say the speedo has been changed at some stage as all police models have the 2kph increments to allow for the accurate booking of people!

 

Saaz, 

QPS actually fitted a Ballinger digital speedo, and still do, to all of our vehicles (Bikes, cars, trucks...) that don't have the two KPH increment as required by the Oz Standards. The Ballinger is programmed to be accurate and then bolted onto the bike and tested.  I had one fail on me about twelve months ago, and Brisbane said it was about the second or third they had ever seen fail. 

http://www.ballingertech.com.au/page21.html 

I believe if you ever look at the FJR forum the NSW coppers now have a sticker on their bikes to tell riders that the analogue speedo is NOT calibrated.  They also now use Ballinger digitals from memory. 

[Abe]

Thanks Steve,

Now that is a steep learning curve for me, many thanks for your input Steve.

Cheers
Dave

[saaz]

Interesting as Lionel's later model Qld police bike has the 2kph speedo. I wonder if Honda did batches with the normal speedo for some reason?  I may just ask that question of a few UK ST owners. I know that in the UK some police and emergency forces commissioned the ABS models and tarted them up, which causes some confusion as to what is a police model or not.

[Abe]

That's interesting John, but didn't different models go to different countries due to that countries requirements and metric/mileage thing.

Cheers
Dave

[saaz]

Honda police models were the same the world over.  The wiring was different to hook in sirens etc, which is the same the world over.  The engine and speedos did vary according to country, which is detailed in the Honda manual (metric vs mileage, and different cams and jets to suit various markets).  The police wiring did not make it to abs models, but the way the police modified the bikes has changed from the early days so the special wiring is probably not as important these days due to the electronics being able to be installed parallel to the OEM wiring.  So the police used the Honda police version, as well as civilian models modified for police use.

The easy well to tell a Honda police model is the rats nest of wires in the rear duck tail, and the police switchblock, but this can be fitted to civilain models.  I still have the black box that was connected to all that. All the extra wires filled a small box!

The Honda police models did not get any more performance bits or suspension upgrades (other than using 10W fork oil), but do use the pre 96 ABS forks rather than the civilian non-abs ones.

[Abe]

Thanks John,

This does not have ABS, though a 2000 model.

 It does have the standard rat nest of wires in the tail, John.

These all are interesting points that Ozstoc members have put up.

Have you any replies from UK members about this issue yet??

Cheers
Dave

[Gavo]

They could be still sleeping

[saaz]

I haven't asked as yet, but from previous discussions various UK forces did commission abs bikes that were not honda police spec probably because abs was becoming a requirement. Ironic as police always used to not want abs.

Thanks John,

This does not have ABS, though a 2000 model.

 It does have the standard rat nest of wires in the tail, John.

These all are interesting points that Ozstoc members have put up.

Have you any replies from UK members about this issue yet??

Cheers
Dave

[alans1100]

I'm sure Keith and/or Paul will respond once they see this post

[Biggles]

The speedo was on the bike when he purchased it 8 years ago.  I wonder if it is the bloke that bought Biggles old bike.

No, the dates don't line up.

That bike has great improvements.  Compared with others, it's excellent value at the asking price.
I'd say if you were happy with a test ride and a thorough look over it, you would look a long way to find a bike with as good a set up.  A lot of money has been spent on developing it, and therefore probably on maintaining it.  AND, it's already in Sydney!

[Abe]

Here is a link to the bike having a cold start.  Felt engine and pipes prior to starting and yes, cold.

Also, the crash bar plastic covers have no holes (sirens), though easily replaced.

ST1100 cold start

[Tackleberry]

I haven't asked as yet, but from previous discussions various UK forces did commission abs bikes that were not honda police spec probably because abs was becoming a requirement. Ironic as police always used to not want abs.

 

Many people have stated this before, but most riders I know prefer ABS because we really use it more than the average rider at time.    The actual reason for Police spec bikes not having ABS was that the electrical system of the earlier 1100's couldn't handle the requirements of the ABS and Police electronics together.  Don't know if the later ones would either.  This is why most manufacturers around the world that make Police spec bikes now run a dual battery system.  One runs normal functions of the bike, and the other runs radios, lights, sirens etc.  We also run a lot more LEDs now which help reduce the load. 

I have personally had the radio & lights go dead, but still had a battery for the bike so I could go for a ride and re-charge the dual system.  What a bugger that was having to ride for a couple of hours recharging the battery.   That's my story anyway.