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Queensland Police becoming insanely autocratic
« on: October 08, 2013, 09:15:15 AM »
This was printed in the paper this morning;

"The Queensland government is considering draft laws that will help put an end to "annual bikie runs" as part of a crackdown on outlaw motorcycle gangs."

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/new-laws-anger-social-bike-riders-20131008-2v4y0.html#ixzz2h52k9FaP

This will legally put an end to every single weekend ride that the QLD part our club does, and completely end things like the charity runs carried out every year!!! Are these people totally insane or do they think they rule the World???

They want to make all bike rides of more than three people illegal, and then assume the power to allow some rides proceed but only with their permission, so all it really does is to give them complete control of everything and anything we do...welcome to the Gestapo!!!

And before anyone asks...Yes I am furious!!!


 

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Re: Queensland Police becoming insanely autocratic
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2013, 09:32:16 AM »
I think we'll be fine

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Other law abiding motorbike riders have nothing to worry about," he said.
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“Our tough laws will stop criminal motorcycle gangs from using their numbers to strike fear in the community, while allowing Queensland's innocent riders to enjoy riding freely and safely.
 

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Re: Queensland Police becoming insanely autocratic
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2013, 09:36:37 AM »
Mate, you live in Victoria!!
 

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Re: Queensland Police becoming insanely autocratic
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2013, 09:43:25 AM »
So Queensland's off the possible National Rally list then??????   :cuss

It would be interesting to read the finer print of the proposal.

They should just make it for Harley's only, just bike type specific.  :rofl
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Re: Queensland Police becoming insanely autocratic
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2013, 09:46:54 AM »
Mate, you live in Victoria!!

Haha yeah...  :nahnah


Being serious though. They are talking about the 1% ers only as stated in the article. Everyone else will be ok
 

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Re: Queensland Police becoming insanely autocratic
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2013, 10:06:51 AM »
I wouldn't get my knickers in a twist, Whizz. 
The problem they have is defining the target.  We know who they want off the roads.  They know who they want to inhibit.  From the Policeman's perspective, the two type of "rides" are easily distinguished.
We passed two very large groups of "outlaw" bikers yesterday in the Gold Coast hinterlands.  I reckon they were out in a show of strength just to show everyone they can.  What our Government is trying to do is curtail the bikies' power in the community.  Inevitably the wrong people will seem to be included in the target group.  I applaud the Government's taking on the outlaw bikie groups because they are just that- people who want the freedom to run illegal "businesses" and who use force and intimidation to get what they want.  The individuals depend entirely on their membership to give themselves the illusion of strength and authenticity.
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Re: Queensland Police becoming insanely autocratic
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2013, 10:19:55 AM »
Winston66.

That was good Biggles.

I have one question though.

Is it likely that our Politicians will use and apply these same laws, to  ensure 100 percent transparency, and honesty in the conducting  of their official  and elected status?

You will understand where I am coming from.

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Re: Queensland Police becoming insanely autocratic
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2013, 10:31:19 AM »
Yep, I get your drift, Winston.
I agree the law is a blunt instrument.  They will need to define it carefully.
One possible definition might limit numbers.  The outlaws seem to love turning out in large numbers.  Yesterday each group would have been around thirty to fifty bikes.  I suspect they were the same mob, attempting to moderate their profile by running the two groups about 5 km apart.
From my experience, a group larger than 20 is undesirable logistically when it's formed for a recreational ride.  So if the outlaws want to run larger groups then they could be policed on that criterion.
I'd be interested to hear other criteria (as, no doubt, would the Government). 
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Re: Queensland Police becoming insanely autocratic
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2013, 12:22:49 PM »
The article seams reasonable clear whom they wish to target and not target......not to much for social bike clubs to be concerned about  :grin  Don't see the Wall to Wall having the axe fall upon its worthy cause  :thumbsup


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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2013, 03:08:32 PM »
problem is were to stop or define the thin line. after us motor cyclist WHO is next. this government is out to control us with no recourse or the need to explain. as for other states YOUR NEXT
 

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Re: Queensland Police becoming insanely autocratic
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2013, 04:54:12 PM »
Well said my friend, I concur! :grin

I wouldn't get my knickers in a twist, Whizz. 
The problem they have is defining the target.  We know who they want off the roads.  They know who they want to inhibit.  From the Policeman's perspective, the two type of "rides" are easily distinguished.
We passed two very large groups of "outlaw" bikers yesterday in the Gold Coast hinterlands.  I reckon they were out in a show of strength just to show everyone they can.  What our Government is trying to do is curtail the bikies' power in the community.  Inevitably the wrong people will seem to be included in the target group.  I applaud the Government's taking on the outlaw bikie groups because they are just that- people who want the freedom to run illegal "businesses" and who use force and intimidation to get what they want.  The individuals depend entirely on their membership to give themselves the illusion of strength and authenticity.
 

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Re: Queensland Police becoming insanely autocratic
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2013, 06:02:42 PM »
My major concern in this is not what is happening now, it is obvious that the Police want to give themselves a big stick to smack anyone they hear about...i.e. the 1%ers riding Harley's and being objectionable heavy's. My major concern is that in 10 years time, when the bikey thugs have become a fading memory, the law will STILL be there, and still under the control of the Police who can then change its use to any other set of excuses they like. Lets face it there are still laws on the books which control how much a convict will be fed every week, how many times a week he may be whipped, and how long he will stay a convict before he can become a citizen. Laws don't expire, they outlast the forgotten reasons for which they were originally created, but they are not removed, and you can almost guarantee that someone in the not too distant future is going to try to come up with a reason for having this Law, simply because the regulation is already there, so lets justify it. Everyone (except the Harley hones) thinks that right now this is a good design for a new Law, but does it really have any justifiable reasoning other than to make the Police and some Politicians 'big stick' far less hassle for them to employ.

Scary scary stuff in my opinion.  Please don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no sympathy for 1%ers riding Harley's, and I don't disagree with knicking them and making their lives a misery. I am just very worried and generally p'ssed off about the creation of a new Law which cannot be undone when it has done its design purpose and it is no longer required, but which is general enough to be reshaped and then re-aimed at anything that upsets the people with the power!! 

If you don't agree with me then fine, it is highly unlikely that I will be around when this tool is reused as they want it to be, just be warned it won't be pretty!!!
 

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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2013, 07:28:19 PM »
I find it all weird. Ride in a group of 3 and it's OK. 4 and 'No go". It's the activity of these individuals that either is or isn't illegal and not how many in a group. If there is evidence of criminal activity, isn't that enough to make arrests. I'm sure most criminal activity within outlaw bikie gangs happens privately and not whilst riding in large groups. If they are transferring contraband whilst riding in these large groups, then they will simply continue to carry it in groups of 3. Stupidity personified.
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Re: Queensland Police becoming insanely autocratic
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2013, 07:32:57 PM »
Sort of reminds me of a law the Russ Hinze brought in, " Any more than 3 people meting on a street corner, was to be considered as an illegal assembly".  :eek
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2013, 07:36:36 PM »
what happens if one group randomly stop in the same place as another group. do they have to stand on opposite sides of the carpark?

It's stupid and they will only target the patched groups
 

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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2013, 07:37:14 PM »
Most of us if not all of us (OzSTOC) dress quite differently to "Criminal Motorbike Gang" who usually display their "Colours" while riding, so there shouldn't be any mix up surely.

However, what puzzles me is that the Qld Police already have the power to pull over any Driver/Rider under the act, so why does this need to be enacted into law? That's my question.
 

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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2013, 07:45:11 PM »
The only trouble is Marcus, that there's quite a few clubs/groups out there that are patched but not criminal motorbike gangs, groups such as the Southern Cross, the Vietnam Vets (which I think is now for any returned service person) the "patriots" again a current and ex service persons group. I'm sure there are many others as well. They believe they will be targeted due to the way they ride and dress.


what happens if one group randomly stop in the same place as another group. do they have to stand on opposite sides of the carpark?

It's stupid and they will only target the patched groups
 

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2013, 08:25:45 PM »
That's it, I'm over it, break out the foil hats. :grin
 

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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2013, 10:36:57 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2013, 10:46:14 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2013, 10:48:32 PM »
This was printed in the paper this morning;

"The Queensland government is considering draft laws that will help put an end to "annual bikie runs" as part of a crackdown on outlaw motorcycle gangs."

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/new-laws-anger-social-bike-riders-20131008-2v4y0.html#ixzz2h52k9FaP

This will legally put an end to every single weekend ride that the QLD part our club does, and completely end things like the charity runs carried out every year!!! Are these people totally insane or do they think they rule the World???

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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2013, 10:50:40 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2013, 10:54:01 PM »
Me too.........I think it's the scary eyes. :eek

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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2013, 06:25:28 AM »
Is it the Queensland police or government or are they worried that they may need these laws to lock people up during the g20 next year ? Just thinking out loud .
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