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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Diesel on January 24, 2013, 03:28:18 PM
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ST Alarm System (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Universal-Motorbike-12v-Compact-Alarm-Fits-Honda-ST-1300-Pan-European-/190718639324?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2c67b77cdc&_uhb=1#ht_8594wt_1397)
Cheers, Diesel
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Thanks Diesel, I love gadgets like this so ordered one . I will give a report on how it works once fitted, at that price (plus postage) what can you lose.
Rob
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I bought SteelMate from Jaycar when I got the 1100, pretty simple to fit and does the job well. It's bloody loud when it goes off that's for sure. I fitted a slightly later model to the missus' bike as well.
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I'll tell you how it goes - LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a similar alarm fitted from Cougar with that siren attached.
Be very careful when you fit the connection to the main fuse box so it doesn't leave you with a trouble starting on the side of the road.
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Or you could install one of these ;)
(http://www.howardshubless.com/img/new_img/Hubless_Chopper_Corn_Snake_3.jpg)
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Is this anything like this one on DealExtreme?
Vibration Activated 100dB Motorcycle Anti-Theft Security Alarm with Remote Control Keychain
$9.99US with free shipping to Australia :hatwave
May try one, :think1
Poppy
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Is this anything like this one on DealExtreme?
Vibration Activated 100dB Motorcycle Anti-Theft Security Alarm with Remote Control Keychain
$9.99US with free shipping to Australia :hatwave
May try one, :think1
Poppy
It's similar http://dx.com/p/vibration-activated-100db-motorcycle-anti-theft-security-alarm-with-remote-control-keychain-25272 (http://dx.com/p/vibration-activated-100db-motorcycle-anti-theft-security-alarm-with-remote-control-keychain-25272) $AUD9.46
But this the one diesel found http://dx.com/p/professional-waterproof-anti-theft-security-alarm-system-for-motorcycle-black-108984 (http://dx.com/p/professional-waterproof-anti-theft-security-alarm-system-for-motorcycle-black-108984) $AUD17.86
Even has Honda on it.
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The 2003 ST1300 that I bought about 4 months ago has a HISS Honda Integrated Security System(?), that I assume goes off if the steering lock is interfered with. It has a blinking red light. Does it do anything else?
The system that Diesel found looks great value for money. It goes off if the bike is abruptly moved whereas the HISS doesn't I suppose. Is that right?
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The 2003 ST1300 that I bought about 4 months ago has a HISS Honda Integrated Security System(?), that I assume goes off if the steering lock is interfered with. It has a blinking red light. Does it do anything else?
The system that Diesel found looks great value for money. It goes off if the bike is abruptly moved whereas the HISS doesn't I suppose. Is that right?
Hi Gregory - the HISS is merely an immobiliser - no venom in it like a siren etc - This is why your ignition key has a micro chip in it (matched to your bike), so the bike recognises which key has permission to start your bike - and why replacement keys are very expensive...... :cuss
The alarm system appears to have a mercury type switch that will set off the siren if the bike angle is changed when the system is armed.
Hope this helps.
Cheers, Diesel
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Poppy
Even has Honda on it.
Yep, must be the real deal. It's a Hyabusa on the box (in the last picture) so you can rely on their claims. Wot thuh
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ST Alarm System ([url]http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Universal-Motorbike-12v-Compact-Alarm-Fits-Honda-ST-1300-Pan-European-/190718639324?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item2c67b77cdc&_uhb=1#ht_8594wt_1397[/url])
Cheers, Diesel
That's a good one? :butt
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Poppy
Even has Honda on it.
Yep, must be the real deal. It's a Hyabusa on the box (in the last picture) so you can rely on their claims. Wot thuh
Mereley pointing out that the one Diesel found is identical to the one at Deal Extreme
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Poppy
Even has Honda on it.
Yep, must be the real deal. It's a Hyabusa on the box (in the last picture) so you can rely on their claims. Wot thuh
Mereley pointing out that the one Diesel found is identical to the one at Deal Extreme
OK too much quoting going on here
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Poppy
Even has Honda on it.
Yep, must be the real deal. It's a Hyabusa on the box (in the last picture) so you can rely on their claims. Wot thuh
Mereley pointing out that the one Diesel found is identical to the one at Deal Extreme
OK too much quoting going on here
You can never have too much quoting :grin :rofl
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Poppy
Even has Honda on it.
Yep, must be the real deal. It's a Hyabusa on the box (in the last picture) so you can rely on their claims. Wot thuh
Mereley pointing out that the one Diesel found is identical to the one at Deal Extreme
OK too much quoting going on here
You can never have too much quoting :grin :rofl
Just ask Shiney!! o:)
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:well :well :well :well :well
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Mines on order, from Deal Extreme...will report later! :grin
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Thanks Diesel
I ordered the alarm you found , received it today and fitted it in about 10 minutes. Its works really well with 4 settings for senitivity levals and remote settings to turn on /off ,also panic alarms and find your bike alarm ( perhaps after a hard night).
Anyway its early days but first impressions are great.
Rob
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Anyway its early days but first impressions are great.
Rob
Did you hook up the starter solenoid option?
I looked at the Jaycar one Tackle bought. It's $99 but a bit of an over-kill, since it's designed for cars.
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Biggles
I decided not to hook the alarm up to the solenoid , very simply connected the positive to the battery and the negative to the frame. placed the unit where the tool kit sat and to this point very happy with the purchase.
After setting the sensitivity level to where I wanted it , you can touch the bike without it going off , but as soon as you jump on it , or tilt it slightly make sure you have ear protection on.
Rob
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Thanks Diesel
I ordered the alarm you found , received it today and fitted it in about 10 minutes. Its works really well with 4 settings for senitivity levals and remote settings to turn on /off ,also panic alarms and find your bike alarm ( perhaps after a hard night).
Anyway its early days but first impressions are great.
Rob
Good onya Rob - glad to hear feedback when a recommendation turned out to be satisfactory (or otherwise). :thumb
Cheers, Diesel
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Biggles
I decided not to hook the alarm up to the solenoid , very simply connected the positive to the battery and the negative to the frame. placed the unit where the tool kit sat and to this point very happy with the purchase.
After setting the sensitivity level to where I wanted it , you can touch the bike without it going off , but as soon as you jump on it , or tilt it slightly make sure you have ear protection on.
Rob
Many thanks. It appeals to me because my bike just sits in a carport (albeit under my bedroom window). Looks like you've sold one for them, just like I sold a book for the "Striking Viking" by selected quotes.
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Did you hook up the starter solenoid option?
I looked at the Jaycar one Tackle bought. It's $99 but a bit of an over-kill, since it's designed for cars.
Cougar actually release a bike specific one also Biggles. I looked at the car one, but ended up buying the bike one from good ole fleabay.
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Hi Guys and girls, well I got my Chinese Honda version of the bike alarm today and the installation instructions are simply WILD!!!
For example, I will copy absolutely verbatim a couple of the set up instructions, remember these are EXACTLY how they are written. I also had to scan the bit of paper and blow it up to 400% before I could actually READ it!:
"Anti-Hijacking:
Motorcycle battery lock while in motion or opened, the touch of the remote control A button, Button Lock, Horn Blew, the direction of light Jishan, while locomotive power, can not start; press of the B button before the remote control lift he alarm, press the remote control no effect on other key devices."
another;
"Remote Start:
Motorcycle in the normal state (the parking stall, the door lock off), or security alert, in two seconds, double-click remote control of the D key, the motorcycle immediately press the power, if, due to cold or motorcycle battery voltage is low, and sometimes motorcycle will not start up, shall start with the key motorcycle, or motorcycle battery electric impulse."
and these warnings;
"Attention;
1) The remote control is a precision manufacturing, please do not Zhoungshuai or flooding.
2) Find the remote control when the remote control or the remote control from the shorter the lamp dims, replace the remote control batteries.
3) Motorcycle brake lights not working, please replace
4) Has been in a motorcycle when the engine starts, do not press the remote start button otherwise the fuse will burn out motorcycle."
And there's two full pages of this drivel. Well worth $5.00! If anyone is interested I can send them full copies of the instructions and wiring diagram, which is also almost unintelligible!
I am very tempted to drop this straight in the bin!
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:crackup :crackup :crackup :rofl :rofl :rofl :-++ :-++ :-++
I am being happy that you pleased to us the instruction so to good motorcycle operation. :butt
Good onya mate - we ALL got your $5 worth out of that laugh! :rofl
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The joys of google translators and similar........
words might be translated but not the grammer or context leaving a state of confusion.
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:rofl :rofl :rofl Awesome :crackup :crackup :crackup
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So, Mr Rob Mc. can I assume that you simply connected the red to power, the black to earth and stuck it in position? Did you also fit a 9v battery to the battery contacts? Also did you have a go at connecting any of the other wires to any thing that might do some good? Last question, did your instructions come in some version of intelligible English instead of the tortured random collection of words (both English and Chinese) that I got with my cheap knock-off? and if so what's the chances of getting a copy?
I looked at the original eBay advert that Diesel found and what I got in the post was exactly the same, down to the colours of the wires coming from the screamer, and the pretty pattern on the front of the little black box, so I'm in no doubt that they are exactly the same thing, just the installation instructions for mine are written in Martian!
Any help would be much appreciated.
PM also sent.
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Whiz
Trust me , if I can wire it up anyone can. My instructions were as clear as yours so I took a punt and muddled through and it seemed to work. The orange wire I just coiled up and connected it to nothing.
The green wire is the antenna wire so I just left it loose near the unit and it picks up the remote signal fine. The red wire I connected to the positive and the black wire connected to the negative.
Miracles of Miracles it works and once I adjusted the sensativity level works just fine. Hope this helps , if you need any further help give me a call 0412168114 and would be happy to talk you through what I did.
Rob
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Thanks mate, I'll have a play over the weekend and see which neighbours I can deafen.
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Well, it's in same way as you did it Rob. Buried under the seat at the back with the alarm unit stuck onto the inside of the plastic rear lights cluster on one side and the screamer stuck on the other. I linked the red to switched +12v (although quite what that is going to do when the bike is off I'm not sure) and the black to earth, I plugged in the 9v (PP9) battery and lo and behold it works and JEEZ, IT"S LOUD!!! Lets put it this way if your average knuckle-dragger tried to stand the bike up, or push it off the center-stand to steal it, he'd go develop an instant headache and everyone within 100 yards would know he's stealing the bike!!
I think the two yellow wires are output to the indicator lights to make them flash in time with the alarm (either being set, or unset or going off), but what the myriad of other wires do is a mystery.
I've sent a copy of the instructions and wiring diagram to Mr Brock to see if he can make any sense of them.
Yet another Farkle, the next one on the horizon is fitting yellow LED light bars on the back as indicators, as the ones I have on there now are red and Mr Plod doesn't like them!
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Thanks Whizz, I've been following this thread with interest.
Why did you wire it in to switched power though? My nubile electronic brain would tell me that this would only have 'grunt' with the ignition on?
Yet you said it works perfectly - pls explain?
Cheers, Diesel
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Good work whizz it just goes to show that persistance and persperation will eventually get you there. Nothing fancy with my set up , red directly to the battery and black to earth.
Anyway as long as it works, I even installed a powerlet last week ,the only scary part was drilling the correct size hole below the right hand pocket . Anyway it all turned out fine and I can now charge my phone and run the little compressor if needed.
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.... the only scary part was drilling the correct size hole below the right hand pocket .....
:rofl :rofl :rofl
lol - done that myself Rob - money can't buy THAT feeling can it! :eek :eek :eek :thumbs :thumbs :thumbs WHEW!!!!!!!!!! :rockon
Cheers, Diesel
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Absolutely Diesel, for some one like me that is about as handy as an ash tray on a motor bike , I get great satisfaction when I fit and wire a farkle up and it actually works.
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Diesel, from the gobbledegook instructions in Chinese-English (examples given previous) I think that the screamer is actually powered by the 9v, PP9 battery that is fitted separately. I had no concrete evidence to base this on other than I couldn't see what other purpose it would serve. So I wired the Red lead to the switched supply, quite prepared for the thing not to work at all, in which case I would have rewired it to the un-switched supply and seen what happened then.
I actually think that the red is supposed to be wired to the un-switched +12v so that it can do things like flash the direction lights when the alarm is set, un-set or is going off, and also to what I can only describe as a remote engine start. There are references in the 'instructions' to this effect, not that I would dream of EVER wiring this function into a bike, or anything with a manual gearbox. Imagine what would happen if this actually worked and some bright spark had dropped the thing into gear whilst you were away????!!!!
This alarm is supposed to do a whole bunch more things than simply set off a screamer when you stand it up, and I think that this is where the un-switched +12V supply is required. It seems to work just fine on just the PP9, but we will have to wait and see how long it lasts.
I suppose the next step should really be to disconnect it from the bike battery all together and see if the thing still works...might try that tomorrow and get back to you.
One last point is that the PP9 is not a rechargeable battery, so there can't be any current coming from the box when the bike if switched off to recharge this little battery, so what other purpose could it have other than to power the screamer even if the bike battery is flat or disconnected (in an attempt to defeat the alarm).
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As per usual Whizz.... :-++
Cheers.
@Rob :thumbsup
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Now Brock's got the wiring diagram we can live in hope of elucidation.
Your explanation is fine, Whizz, but it lacks that polish that Brock brings to his stories :grin
:popcorn
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I've sent a copy of the instructions and wiring diagram to Mr Brock to see if he can make any sense of them.
Thanks for that :well :well
Youre the rngineer, Im just a electrickian..... :|||| :||||
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Yes...and...? you must be aware that's what Engineers do, they give complicated stuff to the Eleco's to sort out!! :whistle |-i
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:well :well :well :well
Very well aware. Engineers do the drawing and we elecos re-do everything s it works properly.
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Now you know why I sent you the drawings :rofl :crackup
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Well , I just looked at the drawing, and all I can say its all very clear to me.
The designer is clearly mad.... :|||| :|||| :||||
I may have to order a couple, set em up on a test bech ansd see what blows up :grin :grin :grin :grin :thumb :thumb :thumb :thumb
It seems to be designed to detect movement (powered bt the 9v battery, dont think it will last long). It also seems to be able to remotely kill the engine (how was it started???) Remotely start the engine (How. the ignition is off????) Maybe the orange wire is some how connected to the hot line.
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:popcorn
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It seems to be designed to detect movement (powered bt the 9v battery, dont think it will last long).
We might need to buy a carton of 9v batteries, Diesel. :-[
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F'years ago an engineer mate o' mine designed a bike alarm triggered by a magnesium switch ( for movement) for our rice rockets , cheap n worked a treat...
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Brian, I think you mean a Mercury switch. I think this is what is in this cheap knock off, but they do work well.
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Correct Wot thuh
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Fellows
Im a bit confused about the references to connecting the unit up to a 9V battery and the life of that battery. I simply hooked mine up to the 12V battery on the bike and have had no problems so far. Where is the 9V battery located , is it in the micro processor.
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Rob, your alarm may be a different unit. the one under discussion has a 9v Battery, presumably inside the case.
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In the box when the kit arrived there was a small 9v PP9 battery, and on the wiring harness where it leaves the box, before the 9 pin connector there is a small black plastic battery socket to connect the battery to the unit. This is the battery I am talking about.
However from what you're saying, I am now assuming that the screamer works either from the unswitched bike +12v, or from the PP9. HHMMM, I must go and experiment...will be back!
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Thanks , I either missed the 9v battery and tossed it out with the packaging or they did not include it unless mine was a different model . As I said I just left the green wire hang loose for the remote , did not use the orange as they said that was optional and connected the red directly to the positive on the bike battery and the black onto the frame.
Had it installed now for a couple of weeks and works like a charm, I know this because my bike has not been nicked in all that time.
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Gentlemen (and ladies), the fog is lifting. There appear to be two different models of basically the same alarm system. One of which has a battery backup (the PP9) and one of which does not. I, by chance, got the one with the battery back-up, which is advertised as having "Wire-cut Technology". My understanding of this is that the PP9 is there as continued protection if some smart-arse disconnects the bike battery, then tries to steal your pride and joy, because in these circumstances the alarm will STILL sound running from the little back-up battery.
So I've just had a play and mine will work quite adequately from the PP9 with the red wire connected to the switched +12v from the bike (i.e. with no voltage on it when the bike is switched off). If I connect the red wire to the un-switched +12v and disconnect the PP9 it works just as well, but is CONSIDERABLY louder! So much so that it actually physically hurts your ears when you are sitting next the bike making connections!
If I reconnect the PP9 it still works LOUD!!
So we are now clear?
1) Connect the Black wire to ground
2) Connect the Red wire to the bike battery (or a convenient connection point for unswitched +12v). The screamer will sound a couple of times...don't get scared it's supposed to do that.
3) If you have a PP9 in your kit then connect this to the battery connector coming from the little black box, if you don't have either a PP9 or a little black battery connector, then ignore this comment.
4) Studiously ignore ALL the other wires, just make sure that none of them can touch the metalwork of the bike.
5) Set up the sensitivity of the kit and Bobs your uncle!
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Whizz, thanks I thought I was going crazy as I was sure there was no 9 volt battery in the kit I received. In terms of the noise I actually had to wear ear protection when I was setting it up , I have also noticed that it can be set off by a loud noise vibration close to the bike so may have to adjust the sensitivity level a little more. :hatwave
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can be set off by a loud noise vibration close to the bike
Not the device for me then. My bike is parked at work close to a taxiway, with the occasional F18 or Hawk doing low flybys. It would always be going off, so I would need a switch to turn it off when parked :eek :eek
Actually, I have a lowtech solution already fitted. With the turn of a concealed switch, my bike can be left running (in nuetral), any one tries to ride off, the bike stops and wont restart. If activated when the bike is off, the bike just wont start. Its the same thing fitted to Police 1100s ( I worked out how they did it) dont know if the 1300s had the same thing.
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I'm mainly interested in it as an anti-tamper device rather than an immobiliser.
Interesting that you found the immobiliser circuit, Brock. I deduce that's so no-one rides off on Plod's bike while he's busy with a "customer". :law
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Thats right Biggles, the bike can be left running with the lights going but cant be ridden off.. Its a very simple mod that will work for any 1100
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:hatwave :hatwave :hatwave
:runyay :runyay :runyay
Brock,
Please Sir .............tell us more !!!
Better still ............ please Sir ---- show us how !!!
Bob
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Biggles, it's a cheap, easy to fit, VERY LOUD anti-tamper device!!!
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can be set off by a loud noise vibration close to the bike
Not the device for me then. My bike is parked at work close to a taxiway, with the occasional F18 or Hawk doing low flybys. It would always be going off, so I would need a switch to turn it off when parked :eek :eek
Actually, I have a lowtech solution already fitted. With the turn of a concealed switch, my bike can be left running (in nuetral), any one tries to ride off, the bike stops and wont restart. If activated when the bike is off, the bike just wont start. Its the same thing fitted to Police 1100s ( I worked out how they did it) dont know if the 1300s had the same thing.
Yeah Brock, all the Police bikes have that.
It's so you can leave the engine running, to keep the Emergency Lights flashing for lengthy periods (Crashes, Traffic Control etc). We simply stepped off the bike, turned at removed the 'Cut-off' key and were able to leave the ignition key in place with the bike still running and no-one could steal it (We've had a few drunken idiots try it, they're quite easy to apprehend as they're usually trapped under the bike when it falls over).
Poppy
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Just got my Alarm..................................................... :hatwave
Well, what can I say ?????????????????? :cuss
I have never, in my life, read such a load of TRIPE ! :||||
What I can say is; THANK YOU WHIZZ (and the rest who posted) FOR THE ENGLISH VERSION OF THE INSTRUCTIONS. :-++ :-++
Haven't done anything with it at the moment, just opened the package, read the instruction?, and put everything back in the box. :eek
Will attempt it when I don't feel a suicidal tendency may overtake me, as I'm sure it will if I follow the instructions, and see what happens. :crazy
If it turns out the way I fear it may................... WHO WANTS MY BIKE? :'(
Poppy
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Dave. First order of business throw the 'instructions' in the bin, they are more than useless!! :|||| :||||
Actually nailing this thing into the bike is a real piece of doddle, and should take you no more than 20 minutes, and that's including finding some cotton wool to stuff in your ears before you start. It really is painless. :thumbs
I'm thinking of experimenting with some of the other wires to see what sort of weird things I can get it to do, so if I find anything interesting I'll let everyone know! :cuss
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If it turns out the way I fear it may................... WHO WANTS MY BIKE? :'(
Just to help out a mate, I will take it Dave.
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So where is the wiring diagram for the Police cut out switch whilst I still have my bike apart please Brock?
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Is your bike an 1100 or 1300 Tack??
1100 I know, the 1300 I'm not sure.
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1100 mate - I'm not a rich man. :dred11
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In that case, dead easy. All that is needed is to cut the green white wire from the side stand switch, and put bullet connectors in run two wires with mating connectors to a switch of choice. My switch is a barrel switch hidden inside what looks to be a power connector socket.
Want to leave the bike running, but secure no problem, just put key in switch and turn. Bike will run, but as soon as put in gear bike stops and wont restart till key inserted and switch turned again. Want to secure bike when not running, again just operate switch. Bike wont start.
How does it work?? Simple, the switch just removes the sidestand up signal.
I will insert a pic of the concealed switch later
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If it turns out the way I fear it may................... WHO WANTS MY BIKE? :'(
Just to help out a mate, I will take it Dave.
You're a true friend Brock.............................. God bless you o:)
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That would work for the ST13, then, since it has the same sidestand cut-out. Just a matter of finding the different coloured wires, I presume.
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After perusing my wiring diagrams Biggles, I think it would work exactly the same way for the 1300. by breaking the green white wire on the bike side of the sidestand line, stops an earth being applied to the ECU. It cant hurt anything to try. :grin :grin
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After perusing my wiring diagrams Biggles, I think it would work exactly the same way for the 1300. by breaking the green white wire on the bike side of the sidestand line, stops an earth being applied to the ECU. It cant hurt anything to try. :grin :grin
Except maybe a delicate ECU. I might let Whizz try it first. :whistle
It'll be OK. Whizz, really! It's only an alternative earth interrupt.
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its not a power earth, but a low sense for the sidestand up. another switch in the line wont hurt a thing or an ECU..
You can trust me, I aint a engineer o:) o:)
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Putting a second switch in series (or even in parallel) with an existing switch can't possibly do any harm, the most it can do is cause some confusion!
and I am an Engineer!
and Brock you can be so hurtful at times :rofl
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Hi Brock, Still don't understand how it works. Need to see a wiring diagram to fully understand the concept, And I am an Engineer.
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I'm an Engineer :beer too
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The side stand switch when the sidestand is up, will place a low signal to a portion of the ECU that then tells the bike that it is safe to engage a gear and move off. By placing a hidden switch in the line, you are preventing this signal getting to the ECU.
End result?? Park in neutral, with engine running, turn switch and walk away. Bad guy sees bike, jumps on, puts up side stand, selects first and engine stops. Engine will not start again.
Not a bad result for a few dollars and a little time.
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Thanks Brock. Now I understand, thought you were talking about the ignition switch, not a seperate installed switch. Was a little confused at the concept.
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End result?? Park in neutral, with engine running, turn switch and walk away. Bad guy sees bike, jumps on, puts up side stand, selects first and engine stops. Engine will not start again.
Just have to hope bad guy doesn't grab the keys and run away. He may not have the bike, but he'd definitely have the last laugh then! :-[
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Dont think he would have time to think of that Biggles, as a hoard of no so friendly Bike people would already be on him... :spank :spank :spank :spank :spank :spank :spank :spank
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OP alarm might work for me.
Getting the ST in and out of our awkward gravelled driveway and tucked in the corner beside the KLR is the toughest part of the ride.
Figure with a locked cover and an alarm I can put it on the street as there is another vehicle always parked there....not like a 1993 is a high theft risk.
Who has that one on?
thanks